SSE Finally Getting Finished

[Mr Ferret 75]

If you go to Disneyland Paris purely to compare every detail to another Disney Resort such as Walt Disney World, you will disappoint yourself because you will keep saying WDW does it differently.

If you go to Disneyland Paris with an open mind and take it for it's uniqueness you will love it.

Have a fantastic time, Disneyland Parc is definately the most beautiful Magic Kingdom style park around the World and many of the attractions like mentioned are definate upgrades. Add Pirates to the list as well. Far superior to Florida's.

The vaccines comparison just doesn't work. A vaccine cures a disease. The original Tiki Room can hardly be compared to a disease. The UNM show could be though lol!

More like we're going back to how it was before a new disease was introduced. UNM wasn't a vaccine, but rather an injection of advanced bird flu (see what i did there?). I'll take the original over that, even if it doesn't address any attendance problems. A newer GOOD would be better, but it was never in the cards anyways apparently.

I am well aware that SSE's descent was never finished. That's part of the inherent problem with the Disney company though. They build attractions in a half hearted way and don't finish them. I get the feeling this is what happened with Imagination's 1998 and newer refurbs as well. And it even plagues otherwise great and high-quality attractions like the new Little Mermaid ride in CA...

When they finish it, i'll pass judgement on their attempts. As it stands, we can only judge it as it is. Which is to say, pretty pathetic.



Disneyland Paris doesn't have as many rides or attractions as WDW, but most of them are vastly superior. No doubt that Pirates in Paris is the best version there is for example. Unless management has gotten so horrible the place is unrecognizable (since my visit in the mid 90's), i can't imagine being disappointed. The attractions at least should still be long and very cool.

We went with an open mind but were still dissapointed with the overall ambience of the parks and staff.Yes most of the rides are incredible with the definate exception or RnRc (seriously underthemed) but if we had done DLP first then i fear we would not have visited Florida... an hour and a half wait at Casey's corner just doesnt cut it in any country..
I hope the poster has a fantastic time and i am proved wrong..
And just think ... no matter what time of the year they go they will never have to put up with Pop Warner or Brazillian tour groups :ROFLOL::ROFLOL:

 

[RSoxNo1]

The analogy has nothing to do with vaccines or disease. It has to do with forgetting the past and repeating it.

Give him a break, several members of his family died of dysentery on their last trip along the Oregon Trail.

 

[boufa]

Ok. You all make some valid points. I am relaxing my anti-retro position on this and do think that maybe sse needs the help.

Here is what I have gathered off the last couple of pages of this thread.....

Sse was not finished to the initial design not due to poor imaginieering but due to poor corp decisions. Plussing it to complete the vision is a good idea.

The tiki room was changed because it was a much beloved attraction that no one was going to. Should be interesting if this changes with time on the new show.

People are still evaluating the results as if the imagineers know it is going to turn out to be a downgrade to the attraction. "i would take the old show back before I would waste money on an inferior new show".... But I would bet in most cases they dont know it is going to be an inferior attraction, and I doubt that they try to make an attraction inferior on purpose.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Give him a break, several members of his family died of dysentery on their last trip along the Oregon Trail.

I love that game, used to play it all the time! And yeah, couldn't get through play without SOMEONE dying of dysentery. Usually me.:ROFLOL:

 

[Texas84]

Please don't forget the ghost chariot

 

[misterID]

In regards to SEE I think the refurb was an improvement until we reach the decent. Why I am I not willing to declare this project a complete failure as of yet? The decent is not finished yet. While I am quite perturbed that Disney would leave a job half done, it is hard to accurately pass judgment on project that is not 100% complete. I am still holding out hope that they will eventually finish this project.

True, I get what you're saying, but the fact that it's STILL unfinished (how many years later?) weighs it out being closer to a failure than a success.

And what some of our insiders say, the descent completion has been, or at least was, greenlit for a long time. Yet they haven't done anything to fix it.

 

[UrbanDonovan]

Give him a break, several members of his family died of dysentery on their last trip along the Oregon Trail.

Classic.

I actually have a shirt with the old monochrome oxen/wagon that says "You have died of dysentery". Wasted many elementary school hours traveling "The Trail" on the old Apple IIe.

 

[HMF]

Agree! The first Imagination diaster however was purely bad Imagineering sadly. And just for fun, I remember reading a few years ago that those Imagineers who came up with it, were terminated. Whether thats true :shrug: As for SSE it was Bob Gurr who was in charge I believe, and Im guessing he didnt get the full funding he needed, plus battles with TDO.

Bob Gurr retired long ago. SSE 07 was spearheaded by Bob Zalk who actually thinks the new ending is inspirational. As far as I am concerned the Imagineers in charge of SSE 07 should have been fired

 

[Scuttle]

Give him a break, several members of his family died of dysentery on their last trip along the Oregon Trail.

Hilarious. I would have to say oregon trail and sim city 2000 were two of the best computer games when I was growing up.

 

[MMFanCipher]

Classic.

I actually have a shirt with the old monochrome oxen/wagon that says "You have died of dysentery". Wasted many elementary school hours traveling "The Trail" on the old Apple IIe.

Oh, man I used to play this on the apple computer at school. Wasted many a study hall hour dieing on the Oregon Trail!

Good times!

 

[aladdin2007]

Bob Gurr retired long ago. SSE 07 was spearheaded by Bob Zalk who actually thinkst the new ending is inspirational. As far as I am concerned the Imagineers in charge of SSE 07 should have been fired

Thank you yes Im so sorry, I meant Bob Zalk, I get the names mixed up. Well then I agree if he indeed thought this is inspirational he should be let go, but Im not impressed with Siemens either, they didnt follow through or plan funding well, but then TDO was no better either. And did Imagineers really come up with the cartoon? I think they got students to do that. :hurl:

 

[the-reason14]

Reading some of this thread I couldn't help but think what would have happened had SSE never gotten it's renovation in 2007? You would think people would be happy, but I'm sure the complaints would shift from 'the ending is crap' to 'they really need to do something to SSE, it's falling apart, and it needs some TLC.' Sure we would have still had the 'great' ending, but imagine how much the rest of the ride would be in disrepair. Guess you can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[misterID]

Reading some of this thread I couldn't help but think what would have happened had SSE never gotten it's renovation in 2007? You would think people would be happy, but I'm sure the complaints would shift from 'the ending is crap' to 'they really need to do something to SSE, it's falling apart, and it needs some TLC.' Sure we would have still had the 'great' ending, but imagine how much the rest of the ride would be in disrepair. Guess you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Actually, if they did the refurb and left the descent alone people would be much happier.

 

[TropicalFig8]

Reading some of this thread I couldn't help but think what would have happened had SSE never gotten it's renovation in 2007? You would think people would be happy, but I'm sure the complaints would shift from 'the ending is crap' to 'they really need to do something to SSE, it's falling apart, and it needs some TLC.' Sure we would have still had the 'great' ending, but imagine how much the rest of the ride would be in disrepair. Guess you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Refurbs are good but if the ending is fine and doesn't need to change,leave it.

I wonder what it would be like if Horizons,World of Motion,Imagination 1.0,Wonders Of Life,Communicore,and the original Universe of Energy were still around. Would they be as popular as they were back then?

 

[aladdin2007]

Actually, if they did the refurb and left the descent alone people would be much happier.

128272t672% exactly right lol, THREAD WIN!!!! and it would have saved them money instead of coming up short and doing a half baked job.

 

[CDavid]

Guess you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Actually, if they did the refurb and left the descent alone people would be much happier.

Indeed, that sounds like a pretty good way to almost have our cake and eat it too. You don't change something just for the sake of change, nor especially to install an inferior experience (you would think they learned that lesson with Journey into Imagination, but apparently not).

I wonder what it would be like if Horizons,World of Motion,Imagination 1.0,Wonders Of Life,Communicore,and the original Universe of Energy were still around. Would they be as popular as they were back then?

In refurbished and enhanced form (ironically much like Spaceship Earth), and with the proper level of creativity and imagination (and budget), they absolutely could have been. They needed evolutionary rather than revolutionary changes (enhance and build upon the experience - again like Spaceship Earth - as opposed to gutting the building and destroying the original - like Journey into Imagination or World of Motion). Elements like Soarin' and a proper space pavilion (not Mission Puke-a-twirl) would have made nice additions to the attraction mix - rather than instead of established pavilions.

Universe of Energy is essentially still there, primarily its the "movies" which changed, and could (and should) do so again for something new. It should even be far easier than most attractions to bring back the original (certainly acceptable or even ideal for the 30th anniversary or something, but clearly not a proper substitute for a new experience - see Captain EO).

 

[TropicalFig8]

Actually, if they did the refurb and left the descent alone people would be much happier.

You win all the awards.

 

[Admiral01]

All the talk at Disney about interactive this and interactive that...really makes me wonder.

All they had to do with SSE was simple. They wanted to add the "interactive" ending, which is fine. But, leave the "classic" ending alone during the descent. Leave the scenes, and record Judi Dench audio that goes along with them. When a guest boards the time machine vehicle at the beginning of the ride, give them a choice of the new "interactive" ending or the "classic" ending. Those who choose the interactive ending gets the Jetsons-style animation. Those who choose the classic ending get the audio with the scenes, and their individual screen turned off.

It really seems like a no-brainer, and seems like it would have made the refurbished descent easier to do, because it would have been mostly left alone.

 

[the-reason14]

Actually, if they did the refurb and left the descent alone people would be much happier.

True, too bad they didn't. At least now people can form some kind of WDWmagic meetup to go and flood guest relations and complain about how awful the ending is and how it's ruined Epcot and how the world is coming to an end soon and how stale and uninspiring the place is, all the while planning for your next trip.

 

[misterID]

True, too bad they didn't. At least now people can form some kind of WDWmagic meetup to go and flood guest relations and complain about how awful the ending is.

Fixed. Now I agree completely. Good idea.