SPOILERS: WandaVision Discussion / Reactions to Most Recent Episodes

Bairstow

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You don’t hire Evan Peters in that specific role if you don’t plan to use that character in a significant manner.
Sure you do. His is the more interesting and memorable version of the character in most viewers' heads. Plus it's not like he commands a huge salary or anything. It's not like they're bringing in Ian Mckellen or Michael Fassbender or anyone that costs real money.
 

doctornick

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Sure you do. His is the more interesting and memorable version of the character in most viewers' heads. Plus it's not like he commands a huge salary or anything. It's not like they're bringing in Ian Mckellen or Michael Fassbender or anyone that costs real money.

Agreed. While I tend to think that he will end up being the X-Men universe version of "Pietro" (and hopefully will be sent back there and that universe never to be heard from again :cautious:)... he is not such a significant actor or character that it has to be meaningful. Having it just be a slick joke and wink at the camera would be entirely reasonable.

In fact, you could make an augment that bringing him in just to have all the internet discussion and buzz and arguments would make a lot of sense to keep the series and Disney+ talked about in the geeky news world while not having him be Fox X-Men Quicksilver allows for the MCU to not have to limit anything when it comes to developing their own X-Men version. He doesn't have to actually be alternative universe Quicksilver to garner a bunch of buzz this week.
 

Tony Perkis

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Sure you do. His is the more interesting and memorable version of the character in most viewers' heads. Plus it's not like he commands a huge salary or anything. It's not like they're bringing in Ian Mckellen or Michael Fassbender or anyone that costs real money.
AJT doesn’t mandate nearly the salary. Somebody tell me if I’m incorrect, but the more memorable version of the character is Peters’ version.

If you decide to make the character a joke, you have to recast the entire X-Men universe without any benefit of the original cast. Again, they don’t introduce this without having an in to the established universe.
 

MisterPenguin

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The MCU has recast before - Hulk and Rhodey being prime examples.

But I'm trying to think of another show or film series that has done this bizarre and daring a recast with meta commentary/awareness and the only thing I can think of is the Roseanne/Becky situation.
The two Darrens of Bewitched. Completely different looks and attitudes.

James Bond.

 

doctornick

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If you decide to make the character a joke, you have to recast the entire X-Men universe without any benefit of the original cast. Again, they don’t introduce this without having an in to the established universe

Exactly. They should recast the entire X-Men. Why the hell should they have any links to that mediocre and uneven film series, which did a terrible job of portraying the X-Men as a group. Sure there were some decent actor/character matches but allowing any into the MCU gives the Fox movies some level of canonical value and I think is a very bad idea. The X-Men need to be brought to the MCU new and fresh.

specific to Quicksilver, the Peter’s version was more “fun” and memorable than the MCU one but was a poor adaptation that had little in common with the comic book character. It really doesn’t fit at all with what they’ve established for the character in the MCU.
 

DCLcruiser

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Has anyone seen this YT about the possible big bad being...

Chthon.
Chthon has links to empowering/controlling Wanda who was freed by Doctor Strange, and he created vampires: Blade.




 

DisneyGigi

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Totally off the wall thought that I had- Is it possible, since they made such a big deal of you can’t control children- that the boys brought Pietro there? She mentions it to them and tells them it makes her sad. They obviously have powers. I know I am probably wrong and over analyzing but I also thought when they talk about no children being there and then remembered the Talent show and how many times they repeatedly said For the Children, it just seemed like they were purposely trying to put the children in our minds.

Or, it has just been a really long time since new Marvel material and I am obsessing. 😑 Regardless, I love this show!
 

DisneyGigi

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DCLcruiser

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So after seeing Peters quicksilver cross into the MCu. Is anyone else really hoping we get to see Chris Evans cameo someplace as Human Torch and better yet interact with Evans Cap? I think that would be hilariously awesome.
Maybe when Cap goes back in time to return the stones and lives a life with Peggy he becomes Torch? So the F4 movies were an alternate reality.
 

MarvelCharacterNerd

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The two Darrens of Bewitched. Completely different looks and attitudes.

James Bond.

Oh sure, things get recast all the time (that was my point with Hulk and Rhodey - very different actors/interpretations of the roles).

I was pointing out this bizarre a recast of an actor already in the same role taking the place of the other AND the meta/awareness of doing so. The only comparable one I could come up with was the two Beckys situation on Roseanne.
 

MarvelCharacterNerd

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Totally off the wall thought that I had- Is it possible, since they made such a big deal of you can’t control children- that the boys brought Pietro there? She mentions it to them and tells them it makes her sad. They obviously have powers. I know I am probably wrong and over analyzing but I also thought when they talk about no children being there and then remembered the Talent show and how many times they repeatedly said For the Children, it just seemed like they were purposely trying to put the children in our minds.

Or, it has just been a really long time since new Marvel material and I am obsessing. 😑 Regardless, I love this show!
Don't the boys take after Wanda and Pietro - so Wiccan would have some similar reality-changing power to Wanda's (while Speed has the... uh... speed of Pietro)?

It's certainly a possibility. Though you'd think he'd've raised the dog from the dead if he could do that. Although, it would explain why he brought 'the wrong Pietro', since Wanda specified that Pietro was far away rather than dead. A different 'verse would indeed be far away.

Still...

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waltography

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Totally off the wall thought that I had- Is it possible, since they made such a big deal of you can’t control children- that the boys brought Pietro there? She mentions it to them and tells them it makes her sad. They obviously have powers. I know I am probably wrong and over analyzing but I also thought when they talk about no children being there and then remembered the Talent show and how many times they repeatedly said For the Children, it just seemed like they were purposely trying to put the children in our minds.

Or, it has just been a really long time since new Marvel material and I am obsessing. 😑 Regardless, I love this show!
I interpreted those moments differently! The other time in Ep. 5 they talk about children is when Vision points out there are no other children in Westview beyond Tommy and Billy. Coupling this with when Vision freed Norm/Abi from the sitcom set-up, it sounds to me that Agnes is actually commenting on how she can control adults' minds, but not children's. This includes Tommy and Billy - the confusion over what day it is (Wanda thinks it's Monday but the twins think it's Saturday) seems to suggest that Agnes has some level of control even over Wanda (or Wanda at least seems perfectly happy to be carried along) but not the kids.

I think Agnes or some other power is trying to take Tommy and Billy away, and the talent show exposes that the entire construct of the sitcom illusion is literally for the children - for Wanda's children.
 

1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

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There are 2 questions I am surprised none of you have asked yet- How did Wanda know where Vision's body was being kept and how did she know the leader of Sword was a general? 🤔
 

MisterPenguin

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Agnes may be an accomplice to whomever is fully in charge, however, she's shown enough fear and deference to exclude her as the one controlling everything... unless it's a very good act on Agnes' part.
 

Jedijax719

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Pietro's arrival was a breach. The moment the doorbell rang, the alarms went off at SWORD signaling a security breach. He wasn't supposed to be there. He wasn't summoned by Wanda. Maybe the boys in order to make mommy happy?
 

BrianLo

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Exactly. They should recast the entire X-Men. Why the hell should they have any links to that mediocre and uneven film series, which did a terrible job of portraying the X-Men as a group. Sure there were some decent actor/character matches but allowing any into the MCU gives the Fox movies some level of canonical value and I think is a very bad idea. The X-Men need to be brought to the MCU new and fresh.

specific to Quicksilver, the Peter’s version was more “fun” and memorable than the MCU one but was a poor adaptation that had little in common with the comic book character. It really doesn’t fit at all with what they’ve established for the character in the MCU.

You really hate that franchise! X1/X2, First Class, Days of Futures Past and Logan all justify its former existence.

Definitely uneven, but as per multi-verses go you can pluck out a couple of elements and essentially ignore the rest.

Whatever they do end up doing with Xmen (and by no means do I think they are totally going to keep the majority of the former cast), we can't have a third take on its origin. Magneto particularly is now problematic, the whole shtick is he's a holocaust survivor. We're too removed from that to involve him in the current day MCU because I think the MCU is essentially caught up to our current year with the five year jump again.
 

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