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SPOILERS: WandaVision Discussion / Reactions to Most Recent Episodes

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
Also I am so tired of characters coming back to life and ruining the great original endings they had. Vision lives, Loki is alive, We got past Gamora running around in the present somewhere. No one stays dead and its starting to make me roll my eyes.

67 Marvel characters have died, you're kind of over-focusing on the ones that are "sort of alive" but not really. Four if you include Groot.

Loki and particularly the Gamora that we knew are still dead. The later of which I find particularly tragic since her entire crew was off screen for it.
 

Mousertainment

Well-Known Member
Reactions after about an hour or two of processing my thoughts:

The Good:
  • Love Wanda's Scarlet Witch hair and headpiece. General outfit is a thumbs up.
  • The Ship of Theseus discussion - I'm so nerdy I loved that random fast philosophy discussion (Thought experiment: Disneyland as a Ship of Theseus - is it still the same?)
  • Best part of episode for me was the mid-credits scene - because the best part of this series for me was Monica, Jimmy and Darcy (who barely got a moment here in the last episode - boo!) - I was edge of my seat for that one scene

The Rest:
  • Okay, so White Vision is still around. I'm not invested in him and it undermines the value of the original death. Think even James Gunn recently weighed in on the lack of true consequences in comic book stories if characters don't stay dead and death doesn't matter. I teared up during the goodbye scene because #paulbettany but I wasn't sobbing-devastated because it wasn't the real good-bye, which they'd had in Infinity War and this... stole away that impact.
  • Wanda just lets her kids and Vision disappear with the end of the spell without protest. You might argue that it shows her progress in dealing with her grief, and her remorse about what she did to the townspeople, but it didn't feel totally earned. And then the kids are screaming from the Darkhold in the tag scene? Felt... messy. (Also, I'm blanking: where was "thank you for choosing me to be your mother" taken from? I know I've heard that before. There's Star Trek: The Next Generation's "The Child", but I think somewhere else in genre TV and film, too?)
  • What was even the point of Evan Peters in this if they were just going to Mandarin/Mysterio him? This is the third time of "nope, never mind, not really a powerful super villain after all" and second time it turns out to be an actor. I love Evan Peters madly as a performer but he can do so much better than just getting a paycheck for showing up. He should *matter*.
  • Agnes is mind-fracked but she's still around in case they ever want to go back to her. But there was so much back and forth with her as 'she's bad' 'she's messing with you' 'or maybe she's helping you' 'no, she's bad' 'is she messing with you?' 'don't throw me in there - psych' (I'd make a Song of the South Brer Rabbit reference here but I don't want to offend anyone) - that by the end of it I really didn't care what happened to her besides that they (correctly) use the 'hex on the wall' since she doesn't seem important after all, just villain-of-the-week.
  • We still don't know who Jimmy's missing witness was.
  • Dottie was no one after all.
  • My literal vocal reaction at the end of the end credits tag and the end of the series was: hmm.
  • I guess the takeaway for Doctor Strange 2 will be White Vision is alive and Wanda is fully Scarlet Witch, has the Darkhold and is trying to get her kids out of some other dimension because something bad is clearly happening to them. That could have been accomplished in two or three hours. Feels like half of this show was done just because they had a cute idea for a way to make a Marvel sitcom.
  • I expect Falcon & Winter Soldier to excite me more. And hoping Loki will be best yet!
 

MisterPenguin

Rumormonger
Premium Member
Original Poster
I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I suspected that those were Chekhov's runes, especially when the "previously on recap" brought it back up.

So many Easter Eggs were just Easter Eggs and not foreshadowing/clues. There were hundreds of vloggers spinning elaborate theories based on Eggs and not clues. Especially in trying to make plotlines from the comic books fit the TV series. They should have learned from the MCU's Infinity Saga, that the MCU will only take vague outlines from the comic books and reboot it into a new story with new plots and beats.

Even after being told it was "Agatha All Along," people gave up on Agnes being the Big Bad because they learned that Wanda created the Hex. And they surmised that Agatha was only a tool for some off-camera Real Big Bad. But, it was Agatha all along (being the big bad in the end).
 

1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

Well-Known Member
Reactions after about an hour or two of processing my thoughts:

The Good:
  • Love Wanda's Scarlet Witch hair and headpiece. General outfit is a thumbs up.
  • The Ship of Theseus discussion - I'm so nerdy I loved that random fast philosophy discussion (Thought experiment: Disneyland as a Ship of Theseus - is it still the same?)
  • Best part of episode for me was the mid-credits scene - because the best part of this series for me was Monica, Jimmy and Darcy (who barely got a moment here in the last episode - boo!) - I was edge of my seat for that one scene

The Rest:
  • Okay, so White Vision is still around. I'm not invested in him and it undermines the value of the original death. Think even James Gunn recently weighed in on the lack of true consequences in comic book stories if characters don't stay dead and death doesn't matter. I teared up during the goodbye scene because #paulbettany but I wasn't sobbing-devastated because it wasn't the real good-bye, which they'd had in Infinity War and this... stole away that impact.
  • Wanda just lets her kids and Vision disappear with the end of the spell without protest. You might argue that it shows her progress in dealing with her grief, and her remorse about what she did to the townspeople, but it didn't feel totally earned. And then the kids are screaming from the Darkhold in the tag scene? Felt... messy. (Also, I'm blanking: where was "thank you for choosing me to be your mother" taken from? I know I've heard that before. There's Star Trek: The Next Generation's "The Child", but I think somewhere else in genre TV and film, too?)
  • What was even the point of Evan Peters in this if they were just going to Mandarin/Mysterio him? This is the third time of "nope, never mind, not really a powerful super villain after all" and second time it turns out to be an actor. I love Evan Peters madly as a performer but he can do so much better than just getting a paycheck for showing up. He should *matter*.
  • Agnes is mind-fracked but she's still around in case they ever want to go back to her. But there was so much back and forth with her as 'she's bad' 'she's messing with you' 'or maybe she's helping you' 'no, she's bad' 'is she messing with you?' 'don't throw me in there - psych' (I'd make a Song of the South Brer Rabbit reference here but I don't want to offend anyone) - that by the end of it I really didn't care what happened to her besides that they (correctly) use the 'hex on the wall' since she doesn't seem important after all, just villain-of-the-week.
  • We still don't know who Jimmy's missing witness was.
  • Dottie was no one after all.
  • My literal vocal reaction at the end of the end credits tag and the end of the series was: hmm.
  • I guess the takeaway for Doctor Strange 2 will be White Vision is alive and Wanda is fully Scarlet Witch, has the Darkhold and is trying to get her kids out of some other dimension because something bad is clearly happening to them. That could have been accomplished in two or three hours. Feels like half of this show was done just because they had a cute idea for a way to make a Marvel sitcom.
  • I expect Falcon & Winter Soldier to excite me more. And hoping Loki will be best yet!
I take issue with your Mysterio take...Mysterio has always been a guy who uses tricks and deceptions to make himself seem powerful but in reality is just a guy. That is why people like him , he is just a guy but is an effective villian for Spidey with his illusions. They actually did Mysterio correct in the movie. Mandarian they messed up but Mysterio I have no issues with in how they did him because that is who the character has always been. Otherwise, great summary of the episode my man.
 

MisterPenguin

Rumormonger
Premium Member
Original Poster
Rotten Tomatoes tracks about 20 critics' scores which are so far per episode:

1. 75
2. 80
3. 74
4. 82
5. 86
6. 77
7. 78
8. 82
9. 77

Overall 'Freshness' (thumbs up v. thumbs down): 92%


Over at IMDB, they keep track of the user scores. There are 9-13 thousand reviewers per episode, and their scores are:

1. 75
2. 78
3. 82
4. 89
5. 92
6. 90
7. 86
8. 91
9. 87

Overall viewers score: 83


These scores beat the average Pixar or MCU movies.
 

Mousertainment

Well-Known Member
I suspected that those were Chekhov's runes, especially when the "previously on recap" brought it back up.
Same. I posted above referring to them as using the "hex on the wall" when I meant to type "runes on the wall" as a Chekhov hat tip reference for you. :)

But them paying some things off and not others seemed haphazard to me rather than totally planned. Still, what's done is done and now we have Falcon & Winter Soldier coming up quick!
 

DonaldDoleWhip

Well-Known Member
As a story about Wanda (particularly dealing with her grief), I really enjoyed it. Also loved Kathryn Hahn as Agatha and how the decades were brought to life. Still, I can't help but feel a little disappointed by some of the red herrings and misdirects, including:
  • "Dottie is the key to everything in this town." Nope.
    • This was further amplified by her being left off the ID board, and the callout that Kevin Feige had to specifically approve her casting
  • "The devil's in the details, Bev." "That's not the only place he is."
  • Evan Peters
  • Ralph
  • The suspicious mailman
  • Señor Scratchy
During the first few weeks of viewing, it felt like nearly every line and visual cue carried weight, and that the revelations would be beyond compare. Maybe some of the fan theories were a bit too complex, but there were just too many clues (including some hefty ones) that fizzled out into nothing.
 
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1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

Well-Known Member
As a story about Wanda (particularly dealing with her grief), I really enjoyed it. Also loved Kathryn Hahn as Agatha and how the decades were brought to life. Still, I can't help but feel a little disappointed by some of the red herrings and misdirects, including:
  • "Dottie is the key to everything in this town." Nope.
    • This was further amplified by her being left off the ID board, and the callout that Kevin Feige had to specifically approve her casting
  • "The devil's in the details, Bev." "That's not the only place he is."
  • Evan Peters
  • Ralph
  • The suspicious mailman
  • Señor Scratchy
During the first few weeks of viewing, it felt like nearly every line and visual cue carried weight, and that the revelations would be beyond compare. Maybe some of the fan theories were a bit too complex, but there were just too many clues (including some hefty ones) that fizzled out into nothing.
Not a bad show but a very medicore one that purposly dragged the audience around so they would stay tuned weekly with clues and mysteries but in the end had no real payoff or long term consequences. Just like that crap show Lost. Show would have worked better as a binge all at once show and people wouldn't feel soo let down if they saw it all at once instead of building up anticipation over weeks for a really weak finale. Not a bad show but very mediocre and one I don't ever plan to watch again.
 

waltography

Well-Known Member
As a story about Wanda (particularly dealing with her grief), I really enjoyed it. Also loved Kathryn Hahn as Agatha and how the decades were brought to life. Still, I can't help but feel a little disappointed by some of the red herrings and misdirects, including:
  • "Dottie is the key to everything in this town." Nope.
    • This was further amplified by her being left off the ID board, and the callout that Kevin Feige had to specifically approve her casting
  • "The devil's in the details, Bev." "That's not the only place he is."
  • Evan Peters
  • Ralph
  • The suspicious mailman
  • Señor Scratchy
During the first few weeks of viewing, it felt like nearly every line and visual cue carried weight, and that the revelations would be beyond compare. Maybe some of the fan theories were a bit too complex, but there were just too many clues (including some hefty ones) that fizzled out into nothing.
Re: Dottie, Emma Caulfield did an interview revealing she was cast specifically to draw attention away from Agnes: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywoo...ulfield-interview-dottie-who-is-sarah-proctor

It's interesting to note that her character's real name is Sarah Proctor, one of many women accused to be witches at the Salem Witch Trials. Found that to be a fun detail. It's a shame they overdid it though - I was really rooting for her to be Arcanna Jones since all the details seemingly led there.

Ralph Bohner... it's such a bad name that I hope he's the witness Jimmy's trying to keep his tabs on. It's unlikely, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

LSLS

Well-Known Member
I was disappointed by the ending. The first few episodes of sitcom pastiche were absolutely brilliant, and the sitcom stuff in later episodes was excellent as well, but it pivoted into a small, mostly by the book MCU film for the last couple of episodes. There were too many ultimately superfluous characters, for one -- Darcy and Dottie were two of the biggest, but there were others. More importantly, though, it was a bit too predictable. There was nothing remotely surprising about what happened in the final episode. I would have preferred to see Agatha not actually evil, or White Vision have Ultron inside, or any number of other things to shake things up (although something like Ultron almost certainly wasn't going to happen in a Disney+ show).

It certainly wasn't bad, and I enjoyed the show overall, but I think in the end it didn't quite live up to the highs of the first few episodes.

Also, the "They'll never know what you sacrificed for them" line was so absurdly out of touch with what happened I actually laughed. She held a whole town hostage, controlled their minds, and kept their children locked away. She made them sacrifice for her.

So I'm probably going to get killed here, but I'm going to say it. I hated Darcy. I just saw no point to her at all, and I think your statement helped me realize why. Superfluous is the perfect word.
 
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FutureCEO

Well-Known Member
Coming from a non-Marvel perspective (meaning I never read comics), I thought the show was great but I'm not one to nitpick shows like most people while watching them. I agree though Agatha was amazing and more could have been done with her. I also don't get the hints in the previous episodes so I had no expectations of what could be coming.
 

erasure fan1

Well-Known Member
Show would have worked better as a binge all at once show and people wouldn't feel soo let down if they saw it all at once instead of building up anticipation over weeks for a really weak finale.
I agree. The shows format really built the tension and anticipation up each week. With that, you needed a solid holy poop ending. But for as much as I really enjoyed each episode and their build up. The ending was a small letdown in my opinion. I wouldn't say the ending was bad, it had some really good moments. But the overall impact of the end, just wasn't there. Sure we got that Monica/photon will be in captain marvel 2 and the final post credit scene is leading to Dr strange. But if those scenes never happened, it still doesn't matter. I did think Feige would have gone bigger picture with the show, because of all the hints and easter eggs thrown around.

Hopefully this isn’t an indication for falcon and winter soldier. Hopefully they just used Wandavision as a test to see how people reacted to the show. And now since the viewership was strong, as far as I can tell, they can become bolder in the different shows impact on the MCU.
Not a bad show but very mediocre and one I don't ever plan to watch again.
Even with the ending being a small letdown, I still really enjoyed the show overall. I will probably re-watch it after spider-man no way home and multiverse of madness. I'm hoping there is more there that will be an oh yea, that happened in Wandavision, moments. Maybe after seeing what happens in the 2 movies focusing on the multiverse, it will bring new context to some of the scenes in Wandavision.
 

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