SPOILERS: Star Wars' ANDOR Seasons 1 & 2

[MisterPenguin]

People who don't like slow burns perhaps would be best served by waiting for a season to be over and then binge it all at once.

 

[doctornick]

People who don't like slow burns perhaps would be best served by waiting for a season to be over and then binge it all at once.

To be clear, I don’t think there’s any problem with “slow burn” storytelling. My critique is that some D+ shows have episodes that… aren’t episodes. You can have ongoing storylines but an individual episode should have some degree of being somewhat self contained, otherwise they feel more like a movie that arbitrarily cut at a certain point.

Andor specifically has had multiple episodes that just sorta end. I actually rather like the show - it’s much closer in quality to Mando than the other SW live action shows - but it just has really odd structure. I mean, it’s streaming and you can set it up however you like, so make the length of episodes or release schedule actually correspond to and enhance the story you are telling rather just being an arbitrarily length or number.

It’s odd because I think Mandalorian and Wanda Vision both did this so incredibly well and were the first big entries from D+ - they really mastered that sort of cant wait for the next episode, water cooler talk, etc style that helped to differentiate D+ from other streamers (esp Netflix with its binge philosophy).

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

If they released it in blocks or as 90-minute episodes some people would complain how long and boring each segment is until they get to the action.

They're never going to please everyone.

It's an odd way they released it, but by now we should all be used to it so it's not a big deal for me.

Having said that, they should have said upfront that it's done in 3-episode blocks. That way the abrupt endings would feel less jarring and people could decide to wait a few weeks and then binge each block if that's their preference.

 

[erasure fan1]

People who don't like slow burns perhaps would be best served by waiting for a season to be over and then binge it all at once.

The way this show has been done, binging would only help a little. There's been only one real action sequence in 5 episodes. It doesn't need to be a Michael Bay film, but this is on the complete opposite of the spectrum. A slow burn is absolutely fine. But this has been no burn so far. I'll stick with it, I'm just curious if the general public has.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Guys it's been 5 episodes, there is no excuse for the way it's been crawling. I've watched "slow burns" and this isn't one of them. I've watch a lot of British mysteries and other overseas stuff. This just feels like they're "stretching" content, because they're going through a dry spot.

Sure I think people can be critical, but that doesn't give Disney the out or excuse to churn out subpar content. It's one thing to say people are critical when something is "Awesome". But if it's "Average" or "Bad" then it should be called out for what it is. People still appreciate when something is actually good, like The Mandalorian and Spiderman: No Way Home.

I thought you were 'out'?

Yet, here you are making the same criticisms over and over again.

Looks like you've been sucked in.

 

[Disney Irish]

I've watched "slow burns" and this isn't one of them. I've watch a lot of British mysteries and other overseas stuff.

If you have then you should know it feels like a classic BBC Sci-fi shows from the 50s and 60s where they broke up larger episodes into smaller segments.

 

[sedati]

It’s a huge sprawling galaxy of stories that some keep trying to cram into the narrowest of boxes.

 

[MisterPenguin]

It’s a huge sprawling galaxy of stories that some keep trying to cram into the narrowest of boxes.

The story of a rogue traumatized by the Empire becoming the leader of the most important espionage rebel mission can be told in four seconds... Because i just did it!

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

The story of a rogue traumatized by the Empire becoming the leader of the most important espionage rebel mission can be told in four seconds... Because i just did it!

That explains why Rogue One was a tedious slow burn that put audiences to sleep.

 

[Prince-1]

That explains why Rogue One was a tedious slow burn that put audiences to sleep.

Well, that’s one opinion, it is wrong, but it an opinion.

 

[erasure fan1]

That explains why Rogue One was a tedious slow burn that put audiences to sleep.

Rogue one was not a slow burn like Andor is. It had slow burn parts but they did not last near the percentage of time that Andors have. Granted a movie has a much more finite amount of time to tell its story in. Rogue one did a great job of balancing slower talking scenes with action sequences. Even if Andor has a heavy amount of action in the back half, they still spent 95% of the first 5 episodes with basic exposition. It's just an awkward balance. If the show can really stick the landing, that could make all the difference, and none of this slow burn stuff will matter.

 

[erasure fan1]

He's not a star of a show or movie, even on Disney Plus. I miss the droid from it too, he was awesome.

K2S0 was awesome, by far my favorite from the Disney era. It's unfortunate that they decided not to include him in season 1. That is by far the biggest disappointment of the show so far. Tudyk has said he will show up in season 2.

How much more interesting would this season be if the first couple episodes set things up then the next couple went into the hiest where Andor would meet K2. Then you would have the dynamic that worked so well for the rest of the series. Unfortunately since they did a comic of how that happened I'm guessing they didn't want to step on that part of canon too hard.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Well, that’s one opinion, it is wrong, but it an opinion.

I thought Rogue One was good, especially the ending. I'd definitely take it over this show any day. Jyn Erso is a vastly better main character than Andor.

Rogue one was not a slow burn like Andor is. It had slow burn parts but they did not last near the percentage of time that Andors have. Granted a movie has a much more finite amount of time to tell its story in. Rogue one did a great job of balancing slower talking scenes with action sequences. Even if Andor has a heavy amount of action in the back half, they still spent 95% of the first 5 episodes with basic exposition. It's just an awkward balance. If the show can really stick the landing, that could make all the difference, and none of this slow burn stuff will matter.

Just to be clear, my comment was a joke responding to MisterPenguin's comment that Andor's story could have been told in 4 seconds.

 

[Phroobar]

So did some girl save Andor's butt during the heist yet?

What gets me is after all the talking that is done, I still don't care about the heist crew. They are all red shirts to me.

 

[doctornick]

So did some girl save Andor's butt during the heist yet?

What gets me is after all the talking that is done, I still don't care about the heist crew. They are all red shirts to me.

They've done a far better job of developing the characters and making me care about the people in this heist than anyone in Rogue One. Granted, there's a lot of time they've spent in that regard as well. YMMV.

 

[erasure fan1]

They've done a far better job of developing the characters and making me care about the people in this heist than anyone in Rogue One. Granted, there's a lot of time they've spent in that regard as well. YMMV.

Well to be fair, they have spent more time just in character development so far than the entire rogue one run time. That said, I think Rogue one had better, more interesting characters as a whole.

 

[Phroobar]

Well to be fair, they have spent more time just in character development so far than the entire rogue one run time. That said, I think Rogue one had better, more interesting characters as a whole.

I was better connected to the pilots on the original Death Star trench run than I am with Andor's crew. They just aren't that interesting.

 

[doctornick]

Well to be fair, they have spent more time just in character development so far than the entire rogue one run time. That said, I think Rogue one had better, more interesting characters as a whole.

To each their own, but I thought the character development in Rogue One was horrible and I just didn't care about anyone on the mission or felt sad that they died except for K2S0. The only reason I "cared" about their mission was because of a pre-existing love and nostalgia for A New Hope. Of course, I'm one of those folks who didn't really like Rogue One much - thought it was the weakest Disney Star Wars movie until Rise of Skywalker came out.

As I've already said, I think they need more action in Andor and are dragging things out too much, but they've developed these characters far better than those in Rogue One (albeit using a lot more runtime as well which helps) IMHO

 

[Phroobar]

Sad thing is Hasbro's Andor figures don't come out until August 2023 and they are all humans. Who is going to remember this show by Christmas?

 

[erasure fan1]

Sad thing is Hasbro's Andor figures don't come out until August 2023 and they are all humans. Who is going to remember this show by Christmas?

Unfortunately star wars and action figures and how badly it's all been handled, is a whole other topic.

Will people care about this show once it's done? That all depends on how good th ending is. If we get something great like Mando, then yea, I see people remembering it. If it lands like most of the D+ show endings have, then probably not so much.