SPOILERS: Star Wars' ANDOR

MickeyMouse10

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I'm out, it's a beautiful looking show, but there's nothing going on and it just seems like a talkfest. This just isn't for me, maybe it is for someone else though. More power to them, I hope they enjoy it.

I just don't want to watch a Soap Opera, with people bickering to their family members over breakfast.
 

Phroobar

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I'm out, it's a beautiful looking show, but there's nothing going on and it just seems like a talkfest. This just isn't for me, maybe it is for someone else though. More power to them, I hope they enjoy it.

I just don't want to watch a Soap Opera, with people bickering to their family members over breakfast.
Mmm, mint chocolate Cocoa Puffs cereal.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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I'm good with a slower paced show that reveals the nuts and bolts when it comes to the development of a rebellion.

It's okay to have a more realistic perspective, as opposed to something like Solo where the big plot point of building a Rebellion is Han steals valuable cargo in an action packed heist and then turns it over to help fund the organization, even though that's not where his character was at that point in time, but I digress.

I continue to wonder whether or not this was planned as a 10 episode series, given how episodes seem to just end rather than have a natural conclusion. It's almost as if they planned it as more of a mini-series, with three or four 90ish minute installments but then changed it to give it more "value".

Note they mentioned Jakku, for those who still think Disney is somehow planning to erase the sequel trilogy.
 

Phroobar

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I'm good with a slower paced show that reveals the nuts and bolts when it comes to the development of a rebellion.

It's okay to have a more realistic perspective, as opposed to something like Solo where the big plot point of building a Rebellion is Han steals valuable cargo in an action packed heist and then turns it over to help fund the organization, even though that's not where his character was at that point in time, but I digress.

I continue to wonder whether or not this was planned as a 10 episode series, given how episodes seem to just end rather than have a natural conclusion. It's almost as if they planned it as more of a mini-series, with three or four 90ish minute installments but then changed it to give it more "value".

Note they mentioned Jakku, for those who still think Disney is somehow planning to erase the sequel trilogy.
The problem is they aren't showing the nuts & bolts of the development of the rebellion. You see Mon Mothma has family issues since she is never around. Guess what? She's a Senator. No wonder she doesn't have time to hang around her bratty teenager or prototype Obi Wan. You see Andor being recruited for a heist that no one really knows what for. There isn't even any espionage going on. The corporate security guys have been cut out of the picture entirely just because they let Andor escape. The Imperials seem to have no clue what is going on. At least there is real scenery.

Even the figure line for this show is pretty boring too and we don't even get them until Aug 2023!
 
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Disney Irish

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Meh. I think there is sometimes too much effort going into backstory or “filling in the gaps” with franchises. Big Star Wars fan but I don’t really need to know or see how the Rebellion developed (nor did I care about seeing how the Death Star plans were acquired). I mean, it’s okay to have that information shown but it’s more important to have an engaging interesting story than going out of the way to provide background. Right now Andir is too much exposition and not enough action; hope that changes soon.
Most of the big Star Wars fans I knew growing up in the late 70s and 80s watching the OT created their own backstories and adventures to fill-in the gaps before, between, and after the movies. And so LFL story teams are basically run by those same type of kids all grown up.

I realized a long time ago the issue that some who did the same growing up are having with anything released post-OT is that they are expecting that the stories would meet or exceed the ones they created in their head. And that will never happen, so those type of fans will always be disappointed and gripe about the latest offering. Not saying that is you, but might explain why some of the fandom has issues with the recent stuff.
 

Phroobar

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Most of the big Star Wars fans I knew growing up in the late 70s and 80s watching the OT created their own backstories and adventures to fill-in the gaps before, between, and after the movies. And so LFL story teams are basically run by those same type of kids all grown up.

I realized a long time ago the issue that some who did the same growing up are having with anything released post-OT is that they are expecting that the stories would meet or exceed the ones they created in their head. And that will never happen, so those type of fans will always be disappointed and gripe about the latest offering. Not saying that is you, but might explain why some of the fandom has issues with the recent stuff.
You hit the nail on the head there. New content creators can never win.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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The problem is they aren't showing the nuts & bolts of the development of the rebellion. You see Mon Mothma has family issues since she is never around. Guess what? She's a Senator. No wonder she doesn't have time to hang around her bratty teenager or prototype Obi Wan. You see Andor being recruited for a heist that no one really knows what for. There isn't even any espionage going on. The corporate security guys have been cut out of the picture entirely just because they let Andor escape. The Imperials seem to have no clue what is going on. At least there is really scenery.

This misses, I think, the point of these scenes, which can be a bit subtle. Mon Mothma is trying to keep up appearances, and using her daughter as a prop as part of it. It's showing what she has do to and how it impacts her family. There's context to the family issues we are seeing.

The Imperials having no clue speaks to the reality of how difficult it might actually be to implement and manage a sweeping Galactic Empire, which speaks to how a Rebellion is able to form because of how hard it would be to track down and deal with all of these small groups scattered everywhere.
 

erasure fan1

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Note they mentioned Jakku, for those who still think Disney is somehow planning to erase the sequel trilogy.
Not that I think they will erase the sequels, because I don't think they will. But the planets aren't what they would erase. Mentioning Jakku wouldn't be any indication even if they were. If Disney was going to try and do anything, it would be retconing some story elements using the world between worlds or something like that.
 

Phroobar

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This misses, I think, the point of these scenes, which can be a bit subtle. Mon Mothma is trying to keep up appearances, and using her daughter as a prop as part of it. It's showing what she has do to and how it impacts her family. There's context to the family issues we are seeing.

The Imperials having no clue speaks to the reality of how difficult it might actually be to implement and manage a sweeping Galactic Empire, which speaks to how a Rebellion is able to form because of how hard it would be to track down and deal with all of these small groups scattered everywhere.
But we don't care about Mon Mothma keeping up appearances. That is about as boring as the Senate scenes in the prequels.
Star Wars has thrilling dog fights, action, war strategies and Jedi/Sith. This is a lot of people talking but not acting.
 

Phroobar

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Of course they can win. Mando was a win and so was Rogue one. The vast majority of people are extremely happy with them. Baby yoda was the biggest thing in star wars since the OT. Tell good stories and people will enjoy them.
Mando was a win because it followed the classic Japanese RPG where Mando had a quest but had to do a series of side quests to get to his ultimate goal. Each episode was a quest with an end boss. Baby Yoda was just a gimmick that just happen to take off.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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But we don't care about Mon Mothma keeping up appearances. That is about as boring as the Senate scenes in the prequels.
Star Wars has thrilling dog fights, action, war strategies and Jedi/Sith. This is a lot of people talking but not acting.

You don't care but some people might.

A Star Wars TV show is always going to smaller in scale than a movie, so there's generally going to be less action and more talking. It's a new format for the franchise and seeing a different piece of the Star Wars story has value.
 

erasure fan1

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Mando was a win because it followed the classic Japanese RPG where Mando had a quest but had to do a series of side quests to get to his ultimate goal. Each episode was a quest with an end boss. Baby Yoda was just a gimmick that just happen to take off.
Mando had everything people wanted in a star wars show. A mix of old and new, action and adventure with cool characters. I think calling baby yoda a gimmick is selling it a bit short. If done wrong, it could have been awful. But the mando/grogu relationship was perfect. If you told me before the show came out that it would have a baby yoda in it. I would have said that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But Jon knocked it out of the park.
 

MickeyMouse10

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Mandalorian was a success, because there wasn't a complete idiot behind the wheel. JJ "Bad Reboot", Ruin Johnson and Kathleen "put my name on it honey" are the 3 Stooges of Star Wars.

I guess Rodriguez would have to be the Shemp of the group after what he did to poor Boba Fett.
 

doctornick

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Mando was a win because it followed the classic Japanese RPG where Mando had a quest but had to do a series of side quests to get to his ultimate goal. Each episode was a quest with an end boss. Baby Yoda was just a gimmick that just happen to take off.
Right. The Mandalorian actually used an episodic TV format and was much better off for it. The other SW and Marvel shows on D+ have largely felt like long movies they just arbitrarily cut up into parts (though I will give a shout out to She Hulk which also has done great with its episodes). I don’t really understand it because it isn’t like Disney has never made TV shows before.
 

Phroobar

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Mandalorian was a success, because there wasn't a complete idiot behind the wheel. JJ "Bad Reboot", Ruin Johnson and Kathleen "put my name on it honey" are the 3 Stooges of Star Wars.

I guess Rodriguez would have to be the Shemp of the group after what he did to poor Boba Fett.
He should stick to his grindhouse spy kids.

However Bryce Dallas Howard isn't a bad director. I enjoyed her episodes.
 

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