SPOILERS: Obi-Wan Kenobi Disney+ Series

LSLS

Well-Known Member
So, I've had time to process a bit. I loved the storyline for Obi. I thought they did a great job showing that he still is super powerful (and he didn't need tricks or help to do it like many worried about). It does feel like with him decisively beating Vader, he should be leading a charge to defeat the empire as opposed to going into hiding, but, that also feels like the Jedi way at this point. But the fight scene was cool, and I like that they had him kind of figure it out himself. The one part I wasn't a huge fan of (and this will get me killed here) is Qui Gon. It's not that I didn't want him, but it felt like it had a lot less importance than I thought it should. I get it gives him that ability to connect with the past now, but I just felt like if you are going to make that big surprise, make it mean something.

Oh, one other thing that was REALLY cool to me. After letting Vader live, Obi says something like "Then my friend is dead." Then, when the emperor pops up, he says something like "What's wrong my friend?" I don't know, I just thought that was kind of cool.

NOW, the whole Reva thing. I know I've said how much I dislike this character before, so I'm just going to say this ending did her no favors with me. The character just makes no sense to me at all, and the fact that her story just abruptly ends here just seems like they are itching to spin her off. To me, this series is much better if she was never involved in it.

Overall, I thought it was alright. It's definitely at the bottom of my list of Marvel/Star Wars D+ shows, but it still wasn't terrible to me.
 

spacemt354

Chili's
Overall I thought it was the best episode of the 6.

The Vader, Obi-Wan fight was much better choreographed than the first one. I do like how they portrayed Vader as a sort of a 'dark entity' that killed Anakin - that was very in line with comics and does give Obi-Wan some slack when he says to Luke his father is dead.

However, I couldn't help but think -- Obi-Wan has Vader on the brink of death, and it's admitted 'Anakin' is dead - so why would you walk away from this genocidal figure when he is going to bring more pain to the galaxy? He walked away in Episode 3 because he thought Vader died. But this time he's clearly alive so it just seems a bit contrived to line up with the original trilogy.

Reva's story I actually like how it concluded. Despite the plot contrivances such as how does she make it to Tatooine and walk around like she never got stabbed? Who knows!

While the moments of Palpatine, Qui-Gon, and 'Hello there' were obvious memberberries, they did put a smile on my face.

Overall I'd give the show a 7.5/10 - writing could have been a lot better, but I do think it stuck the landing as best it could.
 

Wendy Pleakley

Well-Known Member
Whatever one felt about previous episodes and any highs and lows, I can't imagine a fan not loving this as a purely fun Star Wars installment with a great showdown between Kenobi and Vader.

Trying to make a show like this suspenseful (will she kill Luke?) is of course pointless, so it was kind of an odd tone of trying to have tension where none exists.

I had the same thought of, really, you're going to let Vader live for a second time? I'm going to go with, Obi-Wan still senses some good in him and his long term plan is for Luke to turn him and then unseat the Emperor. Let's go with that. At the end of the day, if he kills Vader the Emperor just finds a new enforcer anyway.

I can see there being another installment. Obi-Wan is off on some new side quest. Leia's rise to leader of the Rebellion has potential. Reva was kept alive so I assume they have plans for the character. I wonder if that guy Obi-Wan said is a leader will show up in Andor.
 

ppete1975

Well-Known Member
So, I've had time to process a bit. I loved the storyline for Obi. I thought they did a great job showing that he still is super powerful (and he didn't need tricks or help to do it like many worried about). It does feel like with him decisively beating Vader, he should be leading a charge to defeat the empire as opposed to going into hiding, but, that also feels like the Jedi way at this point. But the fight scene was cool, and I like that they had him kind of figure it out himself. The one part I wasn't a huge fan of (and this will get me killed here) is Qui Gon. It's not that I didn't want him, but it felt like it had a lot less importance than I thought it should. I get it gives him that ability to connect with the past now, but I just felt like if you are going to make that big surprise, make it mean something.

Oh, one other thing that was REALLY cool to me. After letting Vader live, Obi says something like "Then my friend is dead." Then, when the emperor pops up, he says something like "What's wrong my friend?" I don't know, I just thought that was kind of cool.

NOW, the whole Reva thing. I know I've said how much I dislike this character before, so I'm just going to say this ending did her no favors with me. The character just makes no sense to me at all, and the fact that her story just abruptly ends here just seems like they are itching to spin her off. To me, this series is much better if she was never involved in it.

Overall, I thought it was alright. It's definitely at the bottom of my list of Marvel/Star Wars D+ shows, but it still wasn't terrible to me.
I liked it but it cheapens the originals. Obi beat him twice.... im sure yoda is stronger than obi. And now you have Ahsoka out there cal kestis and quinlan vos are still alive. In my heart Mace. You cant tell me that they couldnt have taken out Darth. And together the emperor... then you dont even need to wait all those years while millions are slaughtered.

And Luke vs vader looks much weaker imho. Instead of being super powerful hes a whiny kid that vader toys with in empire because he wants to convert him and doesnt want to hurt him. He toys with him in return to convert him and doesnt want to hurt him.

Yes he gets Anakin to return but if that hadnt happened luke dies the rebels die and The emperor and vader live. Because now all of the Jedi are dead (yoda, obi and prob vos) are dead minus ahsoka (who doesnt care) and grogu.....

Rey and Kylo are never born.

And you just have palpatine and vader blowing up planets.

Obi wan should have finished the job TWICE. And after seeing how weak vader is after this show... the remaining Jedi should have finished off Vader and palpatine.

Then again this all made up way after the original movies... so theres that.
 

ppete1975

Well-Known Member
Overall I thought it was the best episode of the 6.

The Vader, Obi-Wan fight was much better choreographed than the first one. I do like how they portrayed Vader as a sort of a 'dark entity' that killed Anakin - that was very in line with comics and does give Obi-Wan some slack when he says to Luke his father is dead.

However, I couldn't help but think -- Obi-Wan has Vader on the brink of death, and it's admitted 'Anakin' is dead - so why would you walk away from this genocidal figure when he is going to bring more pain to the galaxy? He walked away in Episode 3 because he thought Vader died. But this time he's clearly alive so it just seems a bit contrived to line up with the original trilogy.

Reva's story I actually like how it concluded. Despite the plot contrivances such as how does she make it to Tatooine and walk around like she never got stabbed? Who knows!

While the moments of Palpatine, Qui-Gon, and 'Hello there' were obvious memberberries, they did put a smile on my face.

Overall I'd give the show a 7.5/10 - writing could have been a lot better, but I do think it stuck the landing as best it could.
Sadly Obi wan should have killed reva. She couldnt kill luke... but shes changed her mind so many times and knows where the chosen one is. Heck Vader could get her and make her tell him. By her coming to tattoine.. and trying to kill luke beru and owen.... she cant just be good and say i couldnt do it. Youve gone too far, you know too much.
I was really hoping beru or owen would have shot her right after shes like.. i couldnt do it and obi is letting her live.

Then say something like... I can take any chances of anyone harming my family.
 

spacemt354

Chili's
Sadly Obi wan should have killed reva. She couldnt kill luke... but shes changed her mind so many times and knows where the chosen one is. Heck Vader could get her and make her tell him. By her coming to tattoine.. and trying to kill luke beru and owen.... she cant just be good and say i couldnt do it. Youve gone too far, you know too much.
I was really hoping beru or owen would have shot her right after shes like.. i couldnt do it and obi is letting her live.

Then say something like... I can take any chances of anyone harming my family.
My guess would be these questions would be answered in a Reva show. Because it does open a can of worms keeping her alive given she knows all those secrets about Anakin and his children, it needs to be addressed.
 

Indy_UK

Well-Known Member
I imagine there is a potential plan for the Grand Inquisitor to come back in another show and maybe keep on the hunt for other Jedi like Cal? That would bring Reva back into the fold too?

I’m sticking by this being a great series and far better than the mediocre Boba Fett series that didn’t add anything to the overall story.
 

Prince-1

Well-Known Member
I imagine there is a potential plan for the Grand Inquisitor to come back in another show and maybe keep on the hunt for other Jedi like Cal? That would bring Reva back into the fold too?

I’m sticking by this being a great series and far better than the mediocre Boba Fett series that didn’t add anything to the overall story.

A show about Jar Jar Binks would be better than Boba Fett.
 

Robbiem

Well-Known Member
Overall I really enjoyed this show. I think Kenobi’s journey from broken man back to hero was really well played by Euan, I think it was one of the best mental health portrayals that I’ve seen in this type of show.

I could have done without the third sister arc which I think fell flat and detracted from the main story especially in this last episode- she managed after being stabbed with a lightsaber and left on a cave planet to recover and make her way to tatooine while the rebels were still outrunning Vader, mmmm? And speaking of Tatooine why didn’t Bail turn up to save Luke, or was his message just to give third sister the info needed for this episode?

I was a bit disappointed that we didn’t get a live action Quinlan (tease for Andor maybe?) in the finale but we did get Palpaine and Qui Gon. I loved the fight this week as well great action, reminded me of some of the action in Rebels.

I’d like to see a second series if they can find a suitable plot especially if it can weave in some background characters from the movies and animation. It would be fun to see a younger moff gideon or greef karga for example or more of cad bane.

Looking forward to Andor now, I’m missing my Wednesday fix from far far away already!
 

Screamface

Well-Known Member
It ended about as well as it could have ended.

The show is overall disappointing but a mixed bag. A better version of all of it could have easily existed. The directing and writing was pretty all over the place. Often terrible.

Luke being chased by an inquisitor at 10 years old simply should have been vetoed if anyone watching over the series cared about Star Wars. The whole Reva plotline would have been better if it didn't just exposition dump us in the 5th episode with something we already had figured out from the first trailer. If she died, it'd have been a better story.

While some good ideas and thoughts here and there. The series felt so lazy and poorly thought out. It easily could have been two episodes shorter and lost nothing. Only gained. It's also a feeling where I feel bad writing begets more bad writing. Instead of going back and fixing existing bad writing.

If there's a season two, they need to wipe the slate clean from this show. Just Obi-Wan, the Qui-ghost off doing something. I feel like it'll stuffer like Picard s2. Carrying over the characters that didn't work in s1 which then make the next season even worse. As they're even more pointless.
 

MarvelCharacterNerd

Well-Known Member
My reactions as I was watching:

"Goodbye, Darth". Goodbye DARTH? That's like saying "Goodbye Mr." or "Goodbye Lieutenant". It's not his first name! Sorry, that just sounded stupid to me.

And then he just... leaves? "Later, dude. Don't destroy a planet or anything while I'm hermitting for the next decade..."

Also, the kid who never had a moment's excitement in his entire boring young life conveniently forgets being chased into the desert by a saber wielding woman who attacked his family and was clearly NOT a Tusken Raider? I guess since he was knocked out, he also had a convenient concussion with attached short term memory loss?

The Vader fight was meh for me other than the moment of Obi-Wan raising the rocks - and that seemed like more power than he would have had, but it looked cool.

I did like that Reva decides not to be Anakin and give into hate/the dark side. "Have I become him?" was a nice moment. But again leaves a loose end of someone knowing about Luke.

Qui-Gon randomly shows up at the end for a nice stroll through the desert? Couldn't he have actually been useful earlier? Or at least made it more clear that Obi-Wan could see/hear him now that he re-embraced his Jedi side or something.

Wins: I really liked the extra depth that Joel Edgerton brought to Owen. Emperor was totally expected but still yay. And I loved that utterly Guinness "Hello there" Ewan gave at the end. #literallyperfect

Overall, I felt this show gave some nice backstory to Obi-Wan's motivations and connection to the later part of the Skywalker family. It wasn't Rogue One. But it was solid with some nice moments and I'm good with it. Though I think Kumail and Indira were both kind of wasted outside of their intro episodes.
 

Screamface

Well-Known Member
I did like that Reva decides not to be Anakin and give into hate/the dark side. "Have I become him?" was a nice moment. But again leaves a loose end of someone knowing about Luke.

It would have been a more impactful storyline if she died going for revenge. She's murdered how many innocent people and Jedi at this stage? Not killing an unconscious kid, eh doesn't work.

I also don't know if she even knew who Luke was. As opposed to just an important kid, Jedi kid that Obi-Wan was protecting.
 

mysto

Well-Known Member
Loved it. ;)

Killing is not the way of the light side of the force. I think the characters showing restraint is good, bloodthirstily killing the opposition is not good.

Why did the inquisitor go after Luke? I thought she wanted Vader's head not his approval? Was she just jedi hunting because that's what she likes to do and can't stop?
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Original Poster
Why did the inquisitor go after Luke? I thought she wanted Vader's head not his approval? Was she just jedi hunting because that's what she likes to do and can't stop?
Something the Grand Inquisitor said: Revenge gives one the will to live. Killing Luke would hurt both Obi-Wan and Vader.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
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However, I couldn't help but think -- Obi-Wan has Vader on the brink of death, and it's admitted 'Anakin' is dead - so why would you walk away from this genocidal figure when he is going to bring more pain to the galaxy?
In the flashback fight, the lesson was to win with mercy, not with a killing blow.

By leaving Anakin alive twice, it let him eventually turn on the Emperor and kill him (until he somehow came back).

As Anakin was heading toward the Dark Side, he was killing enemies.
 

spacemt354

Chili's
In the flashback fight, the lesson was to win with mercy, not with a killing blow.

By leaving Anakin alive twice, it let him eventually turn on the Emperor and kill him (until he somehow came back).

As Anakin was heading toward the Dark Side, he was killing enemies.
I don't see how pummeling Vader with boulders and destroying his breathing apparatus is mercy. That could have very easily killed him.

Obi-Wan and Yoda in Revenge of the Sith were tasked with killing both Vader and the Emperor to stop a greater evil.

While the Emperor would have probably found another apprentice if Obi-Wan killed Vader here, allowing him to live for another decade when he admitted Anakin is no longer 'alive' likely led to the deaths of countless of other lives simply because Vader needs to live until the OT.

Obi-Wan doesn't use mercy when Maul comes to Tatooine 5 years later, he kills him in a duel that lasts less than 5 seconds.
 

mysto

Well-Known Member
Killing to avoid a greater evil in the future requires seeing the future. Because we've seen the future we can use hindsight to choose a course for the characters.

At the time of the series the good characters can see what the evil characters have become, but they cannot know what the evil characters will choose in the future. They could even choose good, but there's no way to know at the time.

Well, they could ask Madame Leota!
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Wow… what a letdown.

This show has created so many plot holes and contradictions you need a book to list them all.

The show sets up so many points… then basically flubs every climax.

On top of the lightsabers don’t kill anyone anymore…

Leia plot totally ruins the epIV recorded messages from leia to ben. He’s no longer just ‘you helped my father in the clone wars..’

Both vader and kenobi have had major conflicts because they didn’t finish the job last time… and what do both do?? Lazily not finish… then vader swears vengeance again??? Come on that is so bad.

In every other fight before this vader looks to be superman… barely using his lightsaber… then here… we get a 90% saver battle?? Come on

The sensing of other strong jedi seems to come and go depending on the opposite of what people need.

Somehow a transport can outrun a full star destroyer? And star destroyers don’t have ANY tie fighters onboard?? (This echos the go awful chase sequence in the sequels)

And why is there some hyperdrive capable ‘dropship’ in this transport? When its been established before hyperdrive is a standout for small ships.

The ‘rebel’ characters for haja (sp) and rohan (sp) are setups that go nowhere and faint like a fart on the wind.

And reva… well she just walks away? Come on…

All this interest in tatoinne is just “forgotten” for 8yrs after this?

The plot and story in this one has been it’s greatest weakness. It fails to have good solutions to the problems they setup and lacks consistency with the other known references.

We get a great fight sequence … a chance for new interesting characters… and it all goes pretty much no where.

Time to stop trying to fit more stories in between known points Disney/KK - because you are getting worse at it!
 

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