SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024

[networkpro]

Its a different view of course with the Jedi order presented as the current "correct" steward of whatever force abilities some might have. So what dichotomy are they trying to present ? Jedi bad, Sith good ? Force users Jedi playing chess with lots of rules, Witches playing Checkers because its a different set of rules, and Sith playing Dodge Ball, because in the end its all about winning however you can? No place in the government in this matter just they do things to keep civilization running and let the Force users slug it out to determine morality ?

I'll settle for the simplistic view: All are bad, each wanting everyone else to follow their lead. Call in the government, nuke them from orbit.

 

[sedati]

When the revealed character admonishes his pupil about not figuring it out, it’s not meant to be a shock.

When the revealed character has had more lines and screen time than all-time-fan-favorite Qi Adi Mundi, he’s not obscure.

There has to be great importance in how Osha defeated (almost) her opponent by not using a weapon, but also sacrificing her greatest attachment.

If Sol survives this show I think he goes to the dark side.

 

[Willmark]

If this was the lightsaber battle meant to top/equal (or whatever) Duel of Fates they still have a long way to go.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

I think there might have been more weight if we had seen something like this battle sooner. I’ve seen some comments about one guy taking out a team of Jedi but I don’t think that’s entirely ridiculous. There should be a reason that all of these Jedi are afraid of two people being out there in the entire galaxy. One guy who took out a whole team of Jedi is the sort of thing that should cause a panic, more than one person who took out two (really just one) people one-on-one.

I think a big issue I have with Star Wars, Marvel and a lot of other media right now is that I’m just rather sick of the mystery box. Everything has to have a mystery these days and then you get this dragging out without much development so it doesn’t really pay off. Go watch the original trilogy and there is no mystery. The Death Star is a mystery to the protagonists but the opening crawl tells the audience. There’s the big twist of Vader being Luke’s father but it’s not set up as a mystery with it really contradicting what came before as Anakin and Vader were actually two different people in the 70s.

Star Wars has been a bit inconsistent in this regard. Palpatine takes out multiple Jedi in Revenge of the Sith so quickly that it makes no sense. Other times we see lightsaber duels that seem evenly matched.

What works is if the bad guy has an advantage because the dark side has more powers (finger lightening) and lack of morals.

We see that a bit here. Jedi focus on a civilized lightsaber battle. The villain has no problem force pulling an opponent onto a lightsaber, which feels like it would be out of bound for the Jedi. The villain had to problem with the aggressive attack at the end of the previous episode, the Jedi would calmly bring out their saber and establish a fight in that more refined approach.

Agree with the mystery box concept. It's often used as a lazy way to build suspense, and not always necessary. The Kylo Ren Solo reveal was fine because it wasn't dragged out and it wasn't portrayed as everyone asking "who is that?". In contrast, the Rey reveal was poorly handled because it was set up as a big question and then we had the answer from Last Jedi being contradicted by the "big" revelation in Rise.

 

[MagicMouseFan]

House of Dragons holding its own with the fan reviews. Haven’t watched it yet but looking forward to it.

 

[Disstevefan1]

House of Dragons holding its own with the fan reviews. Haven’t watched it yet but looking forward to it.
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This is more than holding its own, this is what WINNING looks like. I must give this a try.

 

[MagicMouseFan]

Did this look cooler in show?

 

[C33Mom]

So now will see how they retcon the sith have been extinct for a Millennia. Because there's no way 3 prominent Jedi don't remember this. Sol knows he's a sith because he tells him, you know me as sith. Or something like that. So he's obviously going to say something to the council, yoda...

Sith dude was clear he plans to kill everybody who could reveal his identity. He’s already at least 75% of the way towards that goal, right? I just assumed that meant we were going to have a Rogue One style ending. It looked like Sol was making progress towards getting back but he has Mae (pretending to be Osha) onboard and she’s nuts.

There has to be great importance in how Osha defeated (almost) her opponent by not using a weapon, but also sacrificing her greatest attachment.

If Sol survives this show I think he goes to the dark side.

Interesting — I hadn’t appreciated that she was able to succeed where others failed by letting go of her attachment (theoretically the Jedi code but something we’ve see many Jedis violate so far in this series, especially Sol but also Torbin and the local politician Jedis).

I’ve thought Sol might go dark side (or already be dark side) since he already seems way too attached to people for a Jedi master—plus the suspicious failure to record all details of the witch fire incident we learn about in the very first episode.

 

[erasure fan1]

Sith dude was clear he plans to kill everybody who could reveal his identity. He’s already at least 75% of the way towards that goal, right? I just assumed that meant we were going to have a Rogue One style ending. It looked like Sol was making progress towards getting back but he has Mae (pretending to be Osha) onboard and she’s nuts.

Yes that's a good bet. What I'm more looking at is the fact that he's already killed maybe 7 Jedi? That's going to sound off a whole lot of alarms at the temple. There's no way Sol hasn't already contacted the council to let them know they're dealing with a sith and how many Jedi are gone. So unless Sol is secretly on the dark side and is hiding it, there's not a lot of options. My guess is they'll just ignore it and chalk it up to the time frames are always off a bit

 

[C33Mom]

Yes that's a good bet. What I'm more looking at is the fact that he's already killed maybe 7 Jedi? That's going to sound off a whole lot of alarms at the temple. There's no way Sol hasn't already contacted the council to let them know they're dealing with a sith and how many Jedi are gone. So unless Sol is secretly on the dark side and is hiding it, there's not a lot of options. My guess is they'll just ignore it and chalk it up to the time frames are always off a bit

I’m not convinced Sol has made contact (there could be some excuse it’s too sensitive to risk interception or whatever…or maybe telecom on that planet sucks—they weren’t able to reach/warn Kelnacca)— but I agree with you that at minimum (IIRC) Sol has already communicated that Mae was a force user killing Jedi, someone has trained her, and she doesn’t (didn’t) know who her master is. So even if he never makes it back alive, they knew there’s a hostile force user days and they sent what, 6-10 Jedi to confront Mae and none made it back alive.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

Are we all assuming that Sol - the mind reading Jedi master who trained Osha - knows which sister he actually has in tow or that he can be fooled by a haircut?

 

[BrianLo]

Are we all assuming that Sol - the mind reading Jedi master who trained Osha - knows which sister he actually has in tow or that he can be fooled by a haircut?

I don’t think he knows and I’d kind of give him a pass on being discombobulated on this one since it was a bloodbath.

I do think maybe everyone dies in this series is increasingly likely. I said it was Star Trek like initially, but that went out the window last episode.

I still can’t believe both Dafne and Torbin died. I actually am not a super fan of it. I still feel like it’s a little much for Star Wars. Trying to have a red wedding moment. But I guess it does very effectively establish this Sith.

 

[C33Mom]

Are we all assuming that Sol - the mind reading Jedi master who trained Osha - knows which sister he actually has in tow or that he can be fooled by a haircut?

I found that to be sort of an odd stretch—but maybe she knows some weird witch-thread reality distortion dark magic? I was hoping Sol does know and is trying to lure her away from the Sith dude (and back to Coruscant) before confronting her…but knowing Sol he would want to try to find and save Osha if he thought it was Mae.

I don’t think he knows and I’d kind of give him a pass on being discombobulated on this one since it was a bloodbath.

I do think maybe everyone dies in this series is increasingly likely. I said it was Star Trek like initially, but that went out the window last episode.

I still can’t believe both Dafne and Torbin died. I actually am not a super fan of it. I still feel like it’s a little much for Star Wars. Trying to have a red wedding moment. But I guess it does very effectively establish this Sith.

I think we may see him figuring it out in the next episode or two. I didn’t enjoy Rogue One because it was too depressing and I am only tolerating this one because I’m not especially attached to any of the characters (though I would have liked to see Kelnacca in action and Jecki was growing on me).

 

[erasure fan1]

I am only tolerating this one because I’m not especially attached to any of the characters

That seems to be a common complaint. So far this show has no one that I really care for. Sol would be the closest one, but if he died in this last episode it wouldn't have really upset me.

though I would have liked to see Kelnacca in action and Jecki was growing on me).

We'll probably see more of both if imdb is to be believed. They both have more episode credits than we've seen them in so I'm guessing there will be another couple flashbacks. Or maybe Jecki has the same immunity to lightsaber stabs as so many of the other people in star wars now. Lol

 

[Disney Irish]

BTW, I don't know if it can be said enough but Manny Jacinto's performance has been outstanding. He plays the villain very well. I always liked him on Good Place, so was excited to see him here. He is one of the bright spots of the show.

 

[BrianLo]

BTW, I don't know if it can be said enough but Manny Jacinto's performance has been outstanding. He plays the villain very well. I always liked him on Good Place, so was excited to see him here. He is one of the bright spots of the show.

Agreed. Especially since I also know him from the Good place. This role is so different and he sells it so convincingly. Dafne was my other favourite, so I’m actually quite sad about it. I’ll let them tell their story, but I wish it had just been Torbin for the shock value.

Though her fight choreography was the best and her death was cool.

 

[Disney Irish]

Agreed. Especially since I also know him from the Good place. This role is so different and he sells it so convincingly. Dafne was my other favourite, so I’m actually quite sad about it. I’ll let them tell their story, but I wish it had just been Torbin for the shock value.

Though her fight choreography was the best and her death was cool.

Maybe she's just playing possum and will show up later with Osha.

 

[BrianLo]

Maybe she's just playing possum and will show up later with Osha.

I know, the three lightsaber jabs through her thorax though. It wasn’t ambiguous.

 

[Disney Irish]

I know, the three lightsaber jabs through her thorax though. It wasn’t ambiguous.

Maul got cut in half and survived..... So anything is possible.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I know, the three lightsaber jabs through her thorax though. It wasn’t ambiguous.

I heard lightsabers do not kill anyone anymore in Disney Star Wars