SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024

[erasure fan1]

For myself, so far, it seems clunky. The third episode in particular has numerous, "Huh? That doesn't really make sense" moments. I also don't think the show has a good hook yet.

Agreed. Next weeks the halfway mark and at this point the hype should be all over the place. That's why I say Disney has an issue with their D+ shows. We shouldn't be hoping the halfway mark is the "all right! Now it's going to kick into high gear!" moment.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

That was the consensus earlier before the virtue signaling portion of the day starter

not quite sure what you mean by that....

and i am probably going to regret opening this can of worms, because the movies portion of this forum does have a good deal of thinly veiled political back and forth. It is very unfortunate.

Regrettably, Disney has gotten a bit political in the last few years. In some ways, their hand was forced, but it is still regrettable in the sense that Disney used to = apple pie. Like the very old ad campaign, "Baseball, apple pie, hot dogs and Chevrolet." Disney used to be as All-American as apple pie. Disney told stories that - mostly - united people.

I know....it wasn't perfect apple pie. But people used to look for the good and the commonality when watching cartoons, movies and theme parks. We could all look at a male mouse and relate to the funny things that happened to him. In 1977, Star Wars had an amazing ability to unite people. We were a culture that believed in heroes.

Nowadays, people watch all media with a more divisive mindset. We no longer have common heroes. We have a sad tribalism, and are frequently looking for reasons to turn on each other - based more on politics than the actual characters/content of any movie or theme park ride.

On the other hand, this show is lacking. Disney seems a bit lost these days. They seem to have forgotten how to tell a good story. They seem to have forgotten that a good story and strong characters unites people. Like they no longer WANT to be apple pie and heroes.

I didn't read much about this show before I watched it, and I'm only a casual fan of SW, but gosh, the Jedi are supposed to be the heroes. Flawed, but still the heroes.

The Jedi depicted here are creepy and stupid/incompetent.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

not quite sure what you mean by that....

and i am probably going to regret opening this can of worms, because the movies portion of this forum does have a good deal of thinly veiled political back and forth. It is very unfortunate.

Regrettably, Disney has gotten a bit political in the last few years. In some ways, their hand was forced, but it is still regrettable in the sense that Disney used to = apple pie. Like the very old ad campaign, "Baseball, apple pie, hot dogs and Chevrolet." Disney used to be as All-American as apple pie. Disney told stories that - mostly - united people.

I know....it wasn't perfect apple pie. But people used to look for the good and the commonality when watching cartoons, movies and theme parks. We could all look at a male mouse and relate to the funny things that happened to him. In 1977, Star Wars had an amazing ability to unite people. We were a culture that believed in heroes.

Nowadays, people watch all media with a more divisive mindset. We no longer have common heroes. We have a sad tribalism, and are frequently looking for reasons to turn on each other - based more on politics than the actual characters/content of any movie or theme park ride.

On the other hand, this show is lacking. Disney seems a bit lost these days. They seem to have forgotten how to tell a good story. They seem to have forgotten that a good story and strong characters unites people. Like they no longer WANT to be apple pie and heroes.

I didn't read much about this show before I watched it, and I'm only a casual fan of SW, but gosh, the Jedi are supposed to be the heroes. Flawed, but still the heroes.

The Jedi depicted here are creepy and stupid/incompetent.

I was just saying the consensus of the show seems to align with your opinion

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Agreed. Next weeks the halfway mark and at this point the hype should be all over the place. That's why I say Disney has an issue with their D+ shows. We shouldn't be hoping the halfway mark is the "all right! Now it's going to kick into high gear!" moment.

I honestly can’t figure out the “thought process” at work in these?

What happened to: someone sits down and figures out the story…BEFORE you shoot anything?

This is a lot like the movies…there is no consistency whatsoever. And I think a lot of the problem is the same…this idea you needs a whole truckload of writers and directors with no central directives.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

I'll put it in a spoiler tag in case some don't want to see it.

Spoiler

"Lesbian space witch virgin birth" that is somehow suppose to destroy what made Anakin special.

Yeah, I didn't understand why witches as a notion themselves would be an issue. Was there a big deal made about the witches in Ahsoka? Although they were very Macbeth/Fates.

Anywho - I thought the song and dance bit by the witches was cheesy, but hey, it's Star Wars. The same Star Wars with Ewoks and Jar Jar Binks. So...

I thought Lee Jung-jae was very appealing in this episode and is probably playing the most interesting character in this thus far for me - Wookiee Jedi aside who we really haven't seen much of.

Otherwise I thought the episode was fine - not great, but just in that same mid-pack way watchable and I'm still looking forward to seeing where this goes.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yeah, I didn't understand why witches as a notion themselves would be an issue. Was there a big deal made about the witches in Ahsoka? Although they were very Macbeth/Fates.

Anywho - I thought the song and dance bit by the witches was cheesy, but hey, it's Star Wars. The same Star Wars with Ewoks and Jar Jar Binks. So...

I thought Lee Jung-jae was very appealing in this episode and is probably playing the most interesting character in this thus far for me - Wookiee Jedi aside who we really haven't seen much of.

Otherwise I thought the episode was fine - not great, but just in that same mid-pack way watchable and I'm still looking forward to seeing where this goes.

Its wasn't that they were witches themselves being the issue.

 

[BrianLo]

I didn't read much about this show before I watched it, and I'm only a casual fan of SW, but gosh, the Jedi are supposed to be the heroes. Flawed, but still the heroes.

The Jedi depicted here are creepy and stupid/incompetent.

It has never really been that way. The Jedi order in the end was highly flawed and that’s what lead to its fall. This was fairly poorly told in Episode 1-3, but is much better expressed in the Clone Wars. It’s more a fraying institution filled with some very heroic people. It’s also why villany is not always truly black either, otherwise Darth Vader could not have his redemption.

I highly, highly suspect our living core cast is heroic. Including Sol. It’s a misdirect because we don’t have the full picture on the mystery.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It has never really been that way. The Jedi order in the end was highly flawed and that’s what lead to its fall. This was fairly poorly told in Episode 1-3, but is much better expressed in the Clone Wars. It’s more a fraying institution filled with some very heroic people. It’s also why villany is not always truly black either, otherwise Darth Vader could not have his redemption.

I highly, highly suspect our living core cast is heroic. Including Sol. It’s a misdirect because we don’t have the full picture on the mystery.

Still…
They’ve played the Jedi backstory all wrong IMHO…

They portrayed them as political schemers…when they could have been portrayed as obselete and/or going down fighting a noble cause.

I think that was the gravitas that was supposed to happen that mcgreggor didn’t deliver. Cause George…does George stuff.

It would have strengthened the Vader/palpatine story.

But whatever

 

[Andrew C]

The Jedi depicted here are creepy and stupid/incompetent.

This has annoyed me probably the most. Multiple Jedi are being treated this way. Not just one. Seems to be quite the departure.

 

[Tha Realest]

This has annoyed me probably the most. Multiple Jedi are being treated this way. Not just one. Seems to be quite the departure.

Jedi = organized religion in many of the newish creators’ views, so we know how they’re going to go with that.

 

[Disney Irish]

Jedi = organized religion in many of the newish creators’ views, so we know how they’re going to go with that.

This isn't some new take only now being seen by the new creators, its been said for nearly 50 years that the Jedi Order is basically an organized religion. George modeled the Jedi Order after many of the worlds religions such as those based on Christianity and spiritual followings including Buddhism and Taoism, and to a certain extent I would say the Bene Gesserit from Dune (who are certainly religious). Its why both the OT and PT is steeped in heavy religious iconography.

Many articles on the subject over the years, including interviews with George himself on the topic -

Star Wars: 10 Religious Allusions In The Saga

To create the epic world of Star Wars, George Lucas used religious allusions, from the Christlike figure of Anakin to Darth Maul's satanic appearance.

screenrant.com

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/26/us/star-wars-religion/index.html

The Mythology of 'Star Wars' with George Lucas | BillMoyers.com

The filmmaker discusses his efforts to tell old myths in new ways, the role of faith in his own life, and the influence of his mentor, Joseph Campbell.

billmoyers.com

 

[MisterPenguin]

The Jedi depicted here are creepy and stupid/incompetent.

Indara saves the barkeep's life at the risk of letting her guard down which costs her her life. Indara also holds her own against a weapon bearing force-user.

Sol is shown to be a caring empathetic father figure to Osha, giving her the benefit of the doubt when others wouldn't. His paduan is willing to give him the benefit of the doubt instead of fighting him on things like Yord does.

Tobin is emotional scarred and racked with guilt over... something we haven't seen yet.

I don't know how one can call "the Jedi" as a group as being creepy and stupid/incompetent after seeing what we've seen such far.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This isn't some new take only now being seen by the new creators, its been said for nearly 50 years that the Jedi Order is basically an organized religion. George modeled the Jedi Order after many of the worlds religions such as those based on Christianity and spiritual followings including Buddhism and Taoism, and to a certain extent I would say the Bene Gesserit from Dune (who are certainly religious). Its why both the OT and PT is steeped in heavy religious iconography.

Many articles on the subject over the years, including interviews with George himself on the topic -

Star Wars: 10 Religious Allusions In The Saga

To create the epic world of Star Wars, George Lucas used religious allusions, from the Christlike figure of Anakin to Darth Maul's satanic appearance.

screenrant.com

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/26/us/star-wars-religion/index.html

The Mythology of 'Star Wars' with George Lucas | BillMoyers.com

The filmmaker discusses his efforts to tell old myths in new ways, the role of faith in his own life, and the influence of his mentor, Joseph Campbell.

billmoyers.com

That wasn’t their point

The point was that discussion of religions is gonna be treated differently in 2024 regardless…

A point I would usually concede but reject in this case

 

[MisterPenguin]

This isn't some new take only now being seen by the new creators, its been said for nearly 50 years that the Jedi Order is basically an organized religion. George modeled the Jedi Order after many of the worlds religions such as those based on Christianity and spiritual followings including Buddhism and Taoism, and to a certain extent I would say the Bene Gesserit from Dune (who are certainly religious). Its why both the OT and PT is steeped in heavy religious iconography.

Many articles on the subject over the years, including interviews with George himself on the topic -

Star Wars: 10 Religious Allusions In The Saga

To create the epic world of Star Wars, George Lucas used religious allusions, from the Christlike figure of Anakin to Darth Maul's satanic appearance.

screenrant.com

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/26/us/star-wars-religion/index.html

The Mythology of 'Star Wars' with George Lucas | BillMoyers.com

The filmmaker discusses his efforts to tell old myths in new ways, the role of faith in his own life, and the influence of his mentor, Joseph Campbell.

billmoyers.com

Indeed, from George Lucas's hand in A New Hope.....

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Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebel's hidden fort...​

 

[Disney Irish]

That wasn’t their point

The point was that discussion of religions is gonna be treated differently in 2024 regardless…

A point I would usually concede but reject in this case

And my point was its not a new take, its always been seen as an organized religion as endowed by its creator (pun intended). Its been a discussion for as long as I can remember that the Jedi (and Sith) come across in many ways as religious zealots and not always in a good way. So again its not a new take, even when viewed through 2024 eyes.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

Indara saves the barkeep's life at the risk of letting her guard down which costs her her life. Indara also holds her own against a weapon bearing force-user.

Sol is shown to be a caring empathetic father figure to Osha, giving her the benefit of the doubt when others wouldn't. His paduan is willing to give him the benefit of the doubt instead of fighting him on things like Yord does.

Tobin is emotional scarred and racked with guilt over... something we haven't seen yet.

I don't know how one can call "the Jedi" as a group as being creepy and stupid/incompetent after seeing what we've seen such far.

It was also played up that the Jedi take children away from their families forever.

 

[MisterPenguin]

It was also played up that the Jedi take children away from their families forever.

You want baby wizards force choking their parents over bed time?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And my point was its not a new take, its always been seen as an organized religion as endowed by its creator (pun intended). Its been a discussion for as long as I can remember that the Jedi (and Sith) come across in many ways as religious zealots and not always in a good way. So again its not a new take, even when viewed through 2024 eyes.

Well we can see if the poster responds…but I don’t believe that was their point

It’s about how entertainment would portray it now…not that jedi has changed since 1977

 

[Phroobar]

Well we can see if the poster responds…but I don’t believe that was their point

It’s about how entertainment would portray it now…not that jedi has changed since 1977

It's the whole good is evil. Evil is good thing.

 

[Disney Irish]

It's the whole good is evil. Evil is good thing.