SPOILER: Skeleton Crew D+ Series - Debut Dec 2, 2024

[Disney Irish]

The government that set this place up is long gone... This was an OLD republic setup - not the post Empire NEW republic who is now the agency running things.. and just barely.



Yes - for all intents - this is like a desert island situation that has no idea what was going on in the outside universe.

My bigger question is... why does a Mint keep working if no one comes to pickup the goods? Why would they run for generations without any normal engagement with their heiarchy connectings and picking up what they are making.

It makes it sound like the droids could have isolated the humans from that... but then we can clearly see anytime a ship comes in, everyone can see it. So.. it should be clear that no normal pickups have been happening for a generation or more.

The droids were given orders to mange the humans as a work force, and devoid any new orders that said to stop they marched on with the mint using the human work force even if for new generations.

 

[flynnibus]

The droids were given orders to mange the humans as a work force, and devoid any new orders that said to stop they marched on with the mint using the human work force even if for new generations.

Yes, the mint is setup to run autonomously with limited contact for the point of security. But this goes beyond that into stuff that would have to be dealt with.. so to have the story wave their hand over that hurts the believability.

I mean we can write it off as simply 'bad droid programming' - but it's something that would cause an exception. Like.. 'where do we put all these credits that keep piling up?' 'How many credits are we supposed to be making this period?' etc.. As a developer you would be thinking through these scenarios and would be something that normally would trigger exception behavior. So for the droids to just continue to infinity without any change or awareness of 'abnormal' is really a plot hole in regard to credibility/consistency.

Keep running for months... even years.. ok. GENERATIONS w/o any change to the output? The mint is supposedly still in operation.. a mint is part of a fiscal system that includes feedback loops.

Thank god the Supervisor called Jod out.. if they continued with the security protocol of the Bud Light commercial to fruition I was gonna tear them a new one.

 

[flynnibus]

And to have humans subvert to droids is certainly a new controversial topic for Star Wars... which has long established droids as useful, but not human equals.

So to have humans brainwashed like this and essentially work as free-minded but still essentially plantation workers is kinda wild for star wars.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yes, the mint is setup to run autonomously with limited contact for the point of security. But this goes beyond that into stuff that would have to be dealt with.. so to have the story wave their hand over that hurts the believability.

I mean we can write it off as simply 'bad droid programming' - but it's something that would cause an exception. Like.. 'where do we put all these credits that keep piling up?' 'How many credits are we supposed to be making this period?' etc.. As a developer you would be thinking through these scenarios and would be something that normally would trigger exception behavior. So for the droids to just continue to infinity without any change or awareness of 'abnormal' is really a plot hole in regard to credibility/consistency.

Keep running for months... even years.. ok. GENERATIONS w/o any change to the output? The mint is supposedly still in operation.. a mint is part of a fiscal system that includes feedback loops.

Thank god the Supervisor called Jod out.. if they continued with the security protocol of the Bud Light commercial to fruition I was gonna tear them a new one.

I get what you're saying, but I don't think it takes much thought to answer most of the "plot holes". And for what its worth, I know the show makes it seem like this planet is "lost in time", but its clear that at least some communication gets in from the outside as the "Supervisor" knows about Order 66, and this technically takes place during the same era as Mando. So its only roughly 30 years removed from Order 66. Jod even mentions how he saw his Jedi "teacher" (never established if he was officially a Padawan and they were his Master or not) killed as a result of being hunted down (likely by the Inquisitors), so its not really "generations" only one. That is the whole "reveal" during the last episode. They aren't really that "lost" in time, more just slightly out of touch with current events, ie the rise and fall of the Empire.

And for example the droid that greeted them did say to Jod they had lots of underground caches that stored all the credits. And its not like the credits were that big, ie no larger than a stick of gum by the looks of it. So you have the potential to store zillions upon zillions of credits without taking up too much space. So with a whole planetary network of underground caches you potentially have room for almost unlimited credits that can be filled up even if it was "generations".

As for handling future "generations" of the human work force, the "programmers" appear to have thought of that with the assessments. And for output, I'm sure there is a threshold to be hit each cycle, and scenarios for what to do if they don't hit those thresholds like a "punishment". It was also never established if they were supposed to get regular visits from the Emissaries, just what to do when one comes for pickup. Likely only 20ish years since the last Emissary visit shortly after the Galactic Empire was setup. Because you know that several of them probably came and took a bunch for themselves after the switch from Republic credits to Imperial credits.

So its easy to explain much of this in the context of what we find out in the last episode.

 

[flynnibus]

I get what you're saying, but I don't think it takes much thought to answer most of the "plot holes". And for what its worth, I know the show makes it seem like this planet is "lost in time", but its clear that at least some communication gets in from the outside as the "Supervisor" knows about Order 66, and this technically takes place during the same era as Mando. So its only roughly 30 years removed from Order 66.

Yeah if you tie that to Order 66 - that gives a time reference of at least some contact. But many of the (very open to interpretation..) references suggest the separation and fall of these planets was long before the rise of the empire. References like the 'jewels of the old republic' maybe even referring to the first galactic republic... the one that was done by 1032 BBY. Watching the series, I felt like they were saying these 9 planets were a product of that long ago era, not just the Modern Republic that existed after the Sith are eradicated. But the term 'old republic' can really refer to either.. so its hard to really pin down even what era they were born of. But even the Modern republic was over a span of a 1000 years, so these planets could have been from the Modern Republic, but from the Grand Republic era.. and even somehow faded from prominence long before the rise of the empire. It's left for us to speculate...

Jod even mentions how he saw his Jedi "teacher" (never established if he was officially a Padawan and they were his Master or not) killed as a result of being hunted down (likely by the Inquisitors), so its not really "generations" only one. That is the whole "reveal" during the last episode. They aren't really that "lost" in time, more just slightly out of touch with current events, ie the rise and fall of the Empire.

Obviously Jod's reference is only within the current generation That doesn't mean anything for what was happening on At Atin tho.

And for example the droid that greeted them did say to Jod they had lots of underground caches that stored all the credits. And its not like the credits were that big, ie no larger than a stick of gum by the looks of it. So you have the potential to store zillions upon zillions of credits without taking up too much space. So with a whole planetary network of underground caches you potentially have room for almost unlimited credits that can be filled up even if it was "generations".

Yes - but I point back to again that a Mint is not something that just outputs at some fixed rate - It's part of a fiscal system. It would need regular (even if highly regulated) contact to make any sense. They aren't just a mining colony, they are creating the monetary unit .. just like our government today, you don't just generate currency at full steam, but you control it's introduction. The Galactic Credit is a fiat currency after all... tho I don't know the full EU or canon on it's material value. Maybe the ingot form is valuable enough on its own... yet in canon in the past the 'worthlessness' of Republic Credits doesn't seem to hinge on their digital vs ingot form.

As for handling future "generations" of the human work force, the "programmers" appear to have thought of that with the assessments. And for output, I'm sure there is a threshold to be hit each cycle, and scenarios for what to do if they don't hit those thresholds like a "punishment".

No I get the model is setup to be self-supporting. But I point back to that a factory of any time isn't a singular isolated thing. It creates output.. but how much you make and actually doing something with it... are things the factory is itself concerned with... and hence also the Droids' mission.

It was also never established if they were supposed to get regular visits from the Emissaries, just what to do when one comes for pickup. Likely only 20ish years since the last Emissary visit shortly after the Galactic Empire was setup. Because you know that several of them probably came and took a bunch for themselves after the switch from Republic credits to Imperial credits.

Yeah, another really sketchy part of the story. The Rise of the Empire was not an external take-over. Obviously the empire would want to control the treasury and backing of the republic's existing system. So you'd expect the Empire to know of At Attin .. but the empire used their own currency.. so that suggests the disconnect being before the rise of the empire...

I'm sure Disney will put out some comic or something eventually that will elaborate and fill in the gaps... that seems to be MO these days...

 

[Disney Irish]

Yeah if you tie that to Order 66 - that gives a time reference of at least some contact. But many of the (very open to interpretation..) references suggest the separation and fall of these planets was long before the rise of the empire. References like the 'jewels of the old republic' maybe even referring to the first galactic republic... the one that was done by 1032 BBY. Watching the series, I felt like they were saying these 9 planets were a product of that long ago era, not just the Modern Republic that existed after the Sith are eradicated. But the term 'old republic' can really refer to either.. so its hard to really pin down even what era they were born of. But even the Modern republic was over a span of a 1000 years, so these planets could have been from the Modern Republic, but from the Grand Republic era.. and even somehow faded from prominence long before the rise of the empire. It's left for us to speculate...


Obviously Jod's reference is only within the current generation That doesn't mean anything for what was happening on At Atin tho.



Yes - but I point back to again that a Mint is not something that just outputs at some fixed rate - It's part of a fiscal system. It would need regular (even if highly regulated) contact to make any sense. They aren't just a mining colony, they are creating the monetary unit .. just like our government today, you don't just generate currency at full steam, but you control it's introduction. The Galactic Credit is a fiat currency after all... tho I don't know the full EU or canon on it's material value. Maybe the ingot form is valuable enough on its own... yet in canon in the past the 'worthlessness' of Republic Credits doesn't seem to hinge on their digital vs ingot form.


No I get the model is setup to be self-supporting. But I point back to that a factory of any time isn't a singular isolated thing. It creates output.. but how much you make and actually doing something with it... are things the factory is itself concerned with... and hence also the Droids' mission.


Yeah, another really sketchy part of the story. The Rise of the Empire was not an external take-over. Obviously the empire would want to control the treasury and backing of the republic's existing system. So you'd expect the Empire to know of At Attin .. but the empire used their own currency.. so that suggests the disconnect being before the rise of the empire...

I'm sure Disney will put out some comic or something eventually that will elaborate and fill in the gaps... that seems to be MO these days...

Yeah I will admit I'm also not as deep into this lore, especially in the EU, as others, but I think its easy to come up with ways to explain this stuff. I think it really just comes down to how much you really want to get into the weeds on the lore rather than just accepting what is presented.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I recall the pirates at least saying At Attin had been lost for hundreds of years. I guess that could be since it was hidden versus last secret contacts.

I don’t really understand a secret mint. Where did people think the currency was coming from? Did the Galactic Senate not know where they were getting their currency from such that the Empire had to go set up its own operations somewhere else? Did the New Republic then go set up another? US currency is made in cities. The US Mint and the Bureau of Engraving and Printing facilities that make circulating currency are even open for the public to visit. The US Mint at West Point which focuses on bullion coin production and storage is not open to the public, is not in a city but is also smack dab between the West Point football field, golf course and ski area that are open to the public.

 

[Disney Irish]

I recall the pirates at least saying At Attin had been lost for hundreds of years. I guess that could be since it was hidden versus last secret contacts.

I don’t really understand a secret mint. Where did people think the currency was coming from? Did the Galactic Senate not know where they were getting their currency from such that the Empire had to go set up its own operations somewhere else? Did the New Republic then go set up another? US currency is made in cities. The US Mint and the Bureau of Engraving and Printing facilities that make circulating currency are even open for the public to visit. The US Mint at West Point which focuses on bullion coin production and storage is not open to the public, is not in a city but is also smack dab between the West Point football field, golf course and ski area that are open to the public.

How many of the general public actually know about the US Mint and its multiple locations such as the site in San Francisco or Philly, or even Fort Knox and its history at this point? I'm guessing less than 25% know about it and even less have cared to find out more than maybe a trivial level of knowledge on it. I even question how many in Congress (either houses) know much more than the general public does.

So its not that hard to believe that those in the GS not know where the Mints are, especially if they were established long ago.

 

[networkpro]

Overall I enjoyed it much more than other recent D+ Star Wars ventures. I did think it was a bit too much 'Goonies in the Star Wars Universe' and the bad guys as more of a comedic relief plot device, but overall pretty fun. The B-Wings kind of date things.

 

[lazyboy97o]

How many of the general public actually know about the US Mint and its multiple locations such as the site in San Francisco or Philly, or even Fort Knox and its history at this point? I'm guessing less than 25% know about it and even less have cared to find out more than maybe a trivial level of knowledge on it. I even question how many in Congress (either houses) know much more than the general public does.

So its not that hard to believe that those in the GS not know where the Mints are, especially if they were established long ago.

People visit the Denver and Philadelphia mints. They also visit the Bureau of Engraving and Printing in Washington, DC and Fort Worth. Even the San Francisco Mint, which is not open to the public, is still right there in the city with “UNITED STATES MINT” carved into the building.

The emperor largely took control of the existing bureaucracy. Somebody was doing monetary policy.

 

[Disney Irish]

People visit the Denver and Philadelphia mints. They also visit the Bureau of Engraving and Printing in Washington, DC and Fort Worth. Even the San Francisco Mint, which is not open to the public, is still right there in the city with “UNITED STATES MINT” carved into the building.

The emperor largely took control of the existing bureaucracy. Somebody was doing monetary policy.

I'm not saying its not there for people to see if they want to know. I'm just saying I don't think as many people actually even think to wonder where money actually comes from. As I said I'd be unsurprised if even many in Congress know all the details about the US Mints and monetary policy, all you need to do it check out CSPAN to see most can't talk their way out of the paper bag when talking about monetary policy.

Anyways, I agree someone was responsible for monetary policy in the Empire, even if it was the Emperor himself. I mean not like he didn't hide projects and whole planetary systems himself.

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

Hope we get a second season.

 

[doctornick]

Hope we get a second season.

Since I loved the show, I would enjoy seeing that too but at the same time it was a solid self contained story. I don't really "need" to have the minimal plot holes explained and I'm just satisfied with knowing the kids are back safely with their families.

I actually think the relatively limited direct connections to established Star Wars stories really worked in its favor as it didn't feel burdened by having to not contradict cannon or have fan service appearances. This was a great stand alone story and I'd love to see more of that for D+.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

So three shows all anchored into the one story arc of the OT... got it.

One story about political machinations. One story about the ultimate sacrifice of heroes for the greater good and a tale of faith. And one awesome parent protecting a child story.

None of which are grounded in "jedi vs. sith" as you repeatedly accused me of only desiring.

So no, you don't get it.

These are not only all great stories, they are all great Star Wars stories.

 

[flynnibus]

One story about political machinations. One story about the ultimate sacrifice of heroes for the greater good and a tale of faith. And one awesome parent protecting a child story.

None of which are grounded in "jedi vs. sith" as you repeatedly accused me of only desiring.

So no, you don't get it.

These are not only all great stories, they are all great Star Wars stories.

Do you know what story arc means?

"jedi vs sith" is not a 'story arc' so not sure why you went back to that vs what was wrote.

What I wrote... "So three shows all anchored into the one story arc of the OT... got it"

 

[Phroobar]

Hope we get a second season.

I hope so too but I doubt it will happen. This season saw lower viewer numbers than The Acolyte but wasn't as controversial or cost as much so I guess there is hope.

 

[sedati]

One issue that will have to be dealt with in the future is that the Onyx Cinder under current claimsies is for kid's only meaning Fern and co have limited ownership to their sweet new ride.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

Do you know what story arc means?

"jedi vs sith" is not a 'story arc' so not sure why you went back to that vs what was wrote.

What I wrote... "So three shows all anchored into the one story arc of the OT... got it"

Because you asked twice if what I and others wanted was Jedi vs. Sith and I answered clearly no.

 

[Disney Irish]

Because you asked twice if what I and others wanted was Jedi vs. Sith and I answered clearly no.

Since you're one of the few who didn't seem to think this show felt like "Star Wars", the question still stands.

What is the "Star Wars" feel to you? And I'll even expand that question, what could they have added to make it feel more like "Star Wars" to you?