News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

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TwilightZone

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Tiana Mountain's location is far less egregious than anything in EPCOT, Hollywood Studios, Tomorrowland....
There's a lot of IP based rides and attractions that need to be questioned first before tackling on whether Princess and the Frog fits Frontierland (after some thinking I'd say yes, but that's just my opinion).
 
solidyne

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TwilightZone said:
Tiana Mountain's location is far less egregious than anything in EPCOT, Hollywood Studios, Tomorrowland....
There's a lot of IP based rides and attractions that need to be questioned first before tackling on whether Princess and the Frog fits Frontierland (after some thinking I'd say yes, but that's just my opinion).
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I think the arrangement of Liberty Square and Adventureland is seen as sacred because they were designed as a timeline of sorts. There definitely are plenty of mismatches in other lands, as you point out, but those are different kinds of messes.
 
MisterPenguin

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solidyne said:
I think the arrangement of Liberty Square and Adventureland is seen as sacred because they were designed as a timeline of sorts.
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It's "seen as" sacred because most guests don't question the "story" imposed on the land and either turn a blind eye towards or are ignorant of the anachronisms. (Just like so many bought into the idea that Haunted Mansion has a coherent narrative, which it most certainly doesn't.)

As mentioned above, the colonial-time land has: a Gothic Mansion, a Mississippi Riverboat and port, and a Western saloon (Diamond Horseshoe). Not to mention a Christmas shop which has no colonial Christmas items since the colonialists really didn't celebrate Christmas in any way like we do today).

And Frontierland has Southern bears singing 20th mid-century songs, and a Splash Mountain with a Frankensteinian fusion of Southern and Wild West themes, and a Mississippi Riverboat.

Do CMs giving tours still try to sell a small band of brown concrete as the Mississippi River separating the East from the West, while, at the same time, they claim the brown concrete is also open-air sewage and there's already a Mississippi River and Riverboat right next to them?

Anyhoo, all these inconsistencies don't matter much to me... until someone objects to PatF because *that* is what will introduce an inconsistency. Yes, there should be no inconsistencies, but until WDW/WDI wants to address the pre-existing ones with a major overhaul of the lands... what's trading out one inconsistency for another?
 
solidyne

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MisterPenguin said:
It's "seen as" sacred because most guests don't question the "story" imposed on the land and either turn a blind eye towards or are ignorant of the anachronisms. (Just like so many bought into the idea that Haunted Mansion has a coherent narrative, which it most certainly doesn't.)

As mentioned above, the colonial-time land has: a Gothic Mansion, a Mississippi Riverboat and port, and a Western saloon (Diamond Horseshoe). Not to mention a Christmas shop which has no colonial Christmas items since the colonialists really didn't celebrate Christmas in any way like we do today).

And Frontierland has Southern bears singing 20th mid-century songs, and a Splash Mountain with a Frankensteinian fusion of Southern and Wild West themes, and a Mississippi Riverboat.

Do CMs giving tours still try to sell a small band of brown concrete as the Mississippi River separating the East from the West, while, at the same time, they claim the brown concrete is also open-air sewage and there's already a Mississippi River and Riverboat right next to them?

Anyhoo, all these inconsistencies don't matter much to me... until someone objects to PatF because *that* is what will introduce an inconsistency. Yes, there should be no inconsistencies, but until WDW/WDI wants to address the pre-existing ones with a major overhaul of the lands... what's trading out one inconsistency for another?
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I'm with you. That's why I wrote "seen as," attempting to detach myself from that opinion. I also simply was pointing out that inconsistencies in timeline are different from inconsistencies in theme, in IP, or in whatever else people are complaining about.

I complain about a lot, but this is not high on my list.
 
Poseidon Quest

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MisterPenguin said:
It's "seen as" sacred because most guests don't question the "story" imposed on the land and either turn a blind eye towards or are ignorant of the anachronisms. (Just like so many bought into the idea that Haunted Mansion has a coherent narrative, which it most certainly doesn't.)

As mentioned above, the colonial-time land has: a Gothic Mansion, a Mississippi Riverboat and port, and a Western saloon (Diamond Horseshoe). Not to mention a Christmas shop which has no colonial Christmas items since the colonialists really didn't celebrate Christmas in any way like we do today).

And Frontierland has Southern bears singing 20th mid-century songs, and a Splash Mountain with a Frankensteinian fusion of Southern and Wild West themes, and a Mississippi Riverboat.

Do CMs giving tours still try to sell a small band of brown concrete as the Mississippi River separating the East from the West, while, at the same time, they claim the brown concrete is also open-air sewage and there's already a Mississippi River and Riverboat right next to them?

Anyhoo, all these inconsistencies don't matter much to me... until someone objects to PatF because *that* is what will introduce an inconsistency. Yes, there should be no inconsistencies, but until WDW/WDI wants to address the pre-existing ones with a major overhaul of the lands... what's trading out one inconsistency for another?
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Theming wise, I would definitely consider New Orleans and the Mississippi closer to the "frontier" than Georgia ever was. I suppose the idea of the frontier is subjective though, as the earliest Americans would have considered it to be anything west of the Appalachians, rather than the typical association today of American prairies and deserts made popular by the film genre. If Tom Sawyer Island fits and no one questions it, then there's really no problem with New Orleans.

However, I think there is something to be said about its aesthetic not fitting into Frontierland, which is definitely shooting for the old and dusty western aesthetic. As already discussed, Splash Mountain was obviously made to fit in aesthetically there. My concerns come from Disney's current lack of ability to create compelling attractions or theming. I suppose New Orleans could fit if they "westernized" it in the same way that Splash Mountain was, but I know that likely won't be the case. This retheme will undoubtedly be some half-baked, unfulfilling experience done of the cheap that feels aesthetically out of place. I have zero confidence in Disney leadership or Imagineering to create a meaningful attraction that feels like a worthy, thematic successor because they've shown that they just don't care anymore.
 
Jrb1979

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Poseidon Quest said:
Theming wise, I would definitely consider New Orleans and the Mississippi closer to the "frontier" than Georgia ever was. I suppose the idea of the frontier is subjective though, as the earliest Americans would have considered it to be anything west of the Appalachians, rather than the typical association today of American prairies and deserts made popular by the film genre. If Tom Sawyer Island fits and no one questions it, then there's really no problem with New Orleans.

However, I think there is something to be said about its aesthetic not fitting into Frontierland, which is definitely shooting for the old and dusty western aesthetic. As already discussed, Splash Mountain was obviously made to fit in aesthetically there. My concerns come from Disney's current lack of ability to create compelling attractions or theming. I suppose New Orleans could fit if they "westernized" it in the same way that Splash Mountain was, but I know that likely won't be the case. This retheme will undoubtedly be some half-baked, unfulfilling experience done of the cheap that feels aesthetically out of place. I have zero confidence in Disney leadership or Imagineering to create a meaningful attraction that feels like a worthy, thematic successor because they've shown that they just don't care anymore.
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People should watch your video on Europa Park to see what Disney should be like.
 
Artemicon

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The ride being replaced is no different, in terms of placement.

Main Street and Liberty Square are way more far-fetched.
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I disagree based on theming New-Orleans vs the wild west. It makes more sense in a thematic way to include it in Main Street USA than any other section of the park when you consider that MSUSA is literally early 20th century small town theming versus the 19th century wild west.
 
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Ghost93

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I feel like Frontierland will either be completely rethemed to New Orleans or significant chunks of Frontierland will be completely rethemed. I think the replacement of Splash Mountain with Tiana's Bayou Adventure is just the first step.
 
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Ghost93 said:
I feel like Frontierland will either be completely rethemed to New Orleans or significant chunks of Frontierland will be completely rethemed. I think the replacement of Splash Mountain with Tiana's Bayou Adventure is just the first step.
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3 of the 4 attractions in Frontierland place their origins closer to the Appalachian Mountains than the Rocky Mountains. BTMRR is the outlier here. If the company had an inkling of ambition it would seize on the opportunity to refresh as much of Frontierland as possible to match a Bayou aesthetic and revisit a western theme for any potential expansion into the northwest of the park that could happen in 10-20 years.
 
Incomudro

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Ghost93 said:
I feel like Frontierland will either be completely rethemed to New Orleans or significant chunks of Frontierland will be completely rethemed. I think the replacement of Splash Mountain with Tiana's Bayou Adventure is just the first step.
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I'd actually be fine with that.
Even as a kid, I was never into Frontierland. Perhaps being born in '63 made me a bit late to be into that sort of thing... I don't know.
Adventureland was my thing.
So, yeah - a New Orleans shift is something I can accept.
 
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