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News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure
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FettFan
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Aye. And im fairly certain that the Laughin’ Place won’t have any major changes aside from scrapping Brer Rabbit and Brer Fox.
They’ll just change the music and add some Mardi Gras glitter. Maybe have the two buzzards wearing Venetian masks and jester hats.
I hear the logs will be replaced by giant strings of beads!!
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FettFan
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And for an authentic New Orleans Mardi Gras experience, your bead-logs will travel down a stream of vomit, urine, and liquor.
Cue up the Smellitzers, boys!
Sir_Cliff
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Isn't it possible these things aren't that well coordinated?
Disney is a big organization, and a question/comment about PAtF is reasonable if Anika Noni Rose is going to be on the show. In turn, if you do a tiny bit of research/googling on that film you'll see a ride has been announced. The question was obviously planned and she was almost certainly aware it was coming up, but is it not possible that this sort of throw away question on an ABC daytime TV show wouldn't usually be run by the Parks & Resorts marketing managers and she just answered off-the-cuff based on her minimal involvement with the ride? Even in terms of the clip being uploaded, I could imagine whoever is in charge of social media for the show seeing her talking about Disney princess perks at the parks being one of the more interesting parts of the interview.
Maybe I'm being naïve, but I'm a little less convinced this was planned as part of a grander strategy to generate buzz about the ride than many seem to be. As others have noted, Disney's public response sounded very snippy.
Disney is a big organization, and a question/comment about PAtF is reasonable if Anika Noni Rose is going to be on the show. In turn, if you do a tiny bit of research/googling on that film you'll see a ride has been announced. The question was obviously planned and she was almost certainly aware it was coming up, but is it not possible that this sort of throw away question on an ABC daytime TV show wouldn't usually be run by the Parks & Resorts marketing managers and she just answered off-the-cuff based on her minimal involvement with the ride? Even in terms of the clip being uploaded, I could imagine whoever is in charge of social media for the show seeing her talking about Disney princess perks at the parks being one of the more interesting parts of the interview.
Maybe I'm being naïve, but I'm a little less convinced this was planned as part of a grander strategy to generate buzz about the ride than many seem to be. As others have noted, Disney's public response sounded very snippy.
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Dizknee_Phreek
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I heard they were going to be replaced by floating beignets!
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RSoxNo1
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This is 100% an overhaul that they can't rush. They need to get it right if they do it all.
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ppete1975
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I think it was a way to have people tune into the essence festival to hear the news... i didnt even know about this thing. But now all the Disney fans will be watching and paying attention. Free publicity for both.
RSoxNo1
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Relevant dates:
December 23, 2013: At the end of episode 52 of the Unofficial Guide's Disney Dish podcast, Jim Hill mentions that Disney is considering adding characters from Frozen to Maelstrom.
May 27, 2014: WDWMagic.com user WDW1974 has reported that Imagineer and animator George Scribner confirmed on a Disney Cruise Line ship that Frozen would be retrofitted into the existing Maelstrom attraction.
September 12, 2014: Tom Staggs officially announced a new Frozen attraction replacing Maelstrom on the Disney Parks Blog. He also indicated that there would be a meet and greet area as well. Following the announcement, WDWMagic.com user wdw71fan reported that this will not be a simple over lay of the existing attraction.
October 5, 2014: Maelstrom had it's last day of operation.
June 21, 2016: Frozen Ever After officially opened to guests.
To Animaniac's point. Anything less than 20 months from Splash Mountain closure to Princess and the Frog re-opening is a sign that this will be a cheap overlay.
Tha Realest
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I'll do you one better. Splash is larger by at least a factor of two (maybe three) in terms of ride duration, physical length, number of show scenes, animatronics, etc. Any comparable downtime given the far more extensive amount of work and upgrades that need to be done would be a disservice to this attraction.
Not to belabor the point, but PATF is a delightful film and there are tremendous opportunities that flow from it. These characters deserve their own, standalone thing, and I worry it will always be in the shadow of a classic and beloved attraction.
lentesta
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The last I heard was that DLR's re-do was fairly straightforward. The Splash part of Critter Country would be annexed to New Orleans Square, with no theme or chronological concerns. I think Disneyland's pretty easy.
Last fall, I'd heard WDI was still struggling with the chronology problem in WDW, since Frontierland has a definitive end to its timeline, which I think its roughly 1790-1895. That's at least ~25 years before the events in PATF, which is a faily large gap in both time and in the definition of the US "frontier".
The proposals I was aware of last fall included:
- Build the PATF ride with Tiana and alter Frontierland to include 1920's New Orleans
- Build the PATF "prequel" ride without Tiana but with other characters from the film
- Let Tiana take over Pecos Bill's and make it Tiana's Palace
WDI has shown with GOTG and now Batuu that existing themes, timelines, and canon aren't barriers to putting in any ride in any location. It's possible they take option #1. I think the reason why options 2 and 3 exist is that enough people in WDI saw the problems with #1, that they were looking for a compromise everyone could live with.
I mean, if option #1 is taken, it means Frontierland includes everything in US history from the Lewis & Clark expedition to the end of World War I, the formation of the League of Nations, and almost up to the Great Depression. Everything from canoes to airplane travel, to the earliest helicopters, is fair game. The first half of Tomorrowland's Carousel of Progress would fit into Frontierland's chronology.
I think WDI recognizes the issues with this, hence this is why we've not heard more about it.
If the next Disney update on PATF focuses only on Disneyland, that would be an indication that WDW's Frontierland timeline remains an issue within WDI.
Tha Realest
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"John" is a benevolent traveler unstuck in time; he belongs in any land, in any park, that he wants.
After all, that's the exterior of his house in Living with the Land.
KaliSplash
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I don't think Mickey gives a rip about timelines and what fits and doesn't fit in a particular place. They have demonstrated that repeatedly in various locations/parks.
This is simply a matter of them demonstrating how inclusive they can be in the current day and age and reality.
This is simply a matter of them demonstrating how inclusive they can be in the current day and age and reality.
GoneForGood
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Number 2 has me curious. Mainly because it sounds so interesting. I do recall reading of a "critter centric" version of the overlay.
The whole "Does it fit?" discussion has been covered quite a bit in terms of WDW. I haven't elaborated on it, but I feel the only reason the current version works is due to a loophole--that being the Brer stories are more "southern" but are still American/African American folktale characters, and have always been placed in Frontierland/Liberty Square. (And in an even more interesting turn, Brer Fox and Brer Bear were featured prominently in NOS at DL when it was a newer addition).
I wouldn't put it past Disney to just plop the PATF version down in WDW as is without any changes to the land. I DO have to wonder...will Tiana and the rest of the PATF M&Gs move to Fronteirland after this is done? Or will she stay in PFTH?
I really just want to see more of this concept. Many ways it can go.
Tha Realest
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I dunno. I get the sense they have a bunch of creative writing obsessives sitting in a room for months on time creating intricate backstories to things that are never hinted at.
Disney Glimpses
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I can understand the company has committed to re-theming Splash. I won't go over the obvious reasons stated here again, but Disneyland's is as easy as it will get. Perhaps the company will revisit a western river attraction and build a PATF attraction elsewhere. I don't know why they would be so obsessed with making sure Splash becomes PATF.
Timeline?
Doesn't WDI know that CBJ is singing songs from the mid-20th century? And that a Mississippi river boat is parked in a Colonial port? And that the Diamond Horseshoe is on their maps as belonging to Liberty Square?
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