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News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure
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Brer Oswald
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It happens.
LittleBuford
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I don’t recall hearing the bolded words in the WDW version (which is the one I know personally). I just watched two different ride-through videos on YouTube and didn’t hear it in those either.
In any case, I’m happy to disagree. I think people are mistaking what I’m saying as some sort of (pro-retheme) criticism, whereas I intend it as nothing more than an uncontroversial observation that can be made of any film-based ride.
Text to speech. That one hurts as I am a Lit Professor. But look up the origin of the word's formation. ;-)
Dear Prudence
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I am not trying to be disrespectful at all, and I didn't read it as any kind of pro-retheme criticism. I just think that the narratives of the attraction (even in the Tokyo version) isn't too hard to follow.
Brer Oswald
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That line is exclusive to Disneyland, but the WDW song has a line along the lines of “it’s where I’m born and breded , the Briar patch is where I’m headed” as well as “I gotta thank Brer Fox and Brer Bear for flinging me back home to my Briar Patch”. There’s also the giant “Welcome Home Brer Rabbit” banner that is near unmissable.
I think people need to stop the deep thinking about the attractions and just simply enjoy them. That's why I think it's absurd.
LittleBuford
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As I said, we’ll have to agree to disagree. Some here take your view, and others mine, so it’s clear that opinion is divided.
Dear Prudence
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I didn't realize that line was exclusive to Disney World, but I was speaking to the attainable plot of the attractions as a whole.
LittleBuford
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As you yourself acknowledged, someone riding the attraction for the first time is apt to misunderstand Br’er Rabbit’s pleas not to be thrown into the briar patch, whereas someone watching the film isn’t. That isn’t to say that I think the ride is unenjoyable or unintelligible. All I’m saying is that the plot is almost certainly going to be clearer to those already familiar with the tales, as is the case with all of Disney’s movie-based rides.
Brer Oswald
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I think they make the outcome pretty clear in the finale of both versions, but they just communicate it with variations of similar lines. I can’t speak for everyone, but I understood it after my first ride through despite having no prior experience with the story.
Brer Oswald
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It’s merely a different way of telling the same story. It’s revelation after the event, rather than prior. It’s a common type of storytelling, and I think it’s more effective for first timers because there’s an inherent sense of danger and thrill going down the drop. By the end of the ride, you get the full extent of the story, the motives of the protagonist, and the failure of the overconfident antagonist. Unless you closed your eyes and plugged up ears, but you would miss any story elements regardless of the ride.
It is also not cut and dry the same story as the films or the stories. The rope trap, the Laughing Place, and the Briar Patch are typically separate stories, not sequential. They orchestrate the segments into one continuous unique telling of the story, but they still preserve the main morale of the Briar Patch story as the crux of the plot.
I want to know what online dictionary has 'uppins' as a valid word!
The editors of such a dictionary will certainly meet their just deserts when they come up before a linguistic tribunal that'll mete out their... their... hmmm... need a word for that!
retr0gate
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Adding onto this because I agree- not only is it revealed after the fact but if you're paying attention early on in the ride it's fairly obvious as well. The entire plot is that Brer' Rabbit wants to leave home AKA the Briar Patch. "I've had enough of this old Briar Patch" is part of the song lyrics. You also literally see his house lol
Brer Oswald
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Yeah, that’s true haha
Neaunderhill
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Personal Opinion here.
Quickly on the discussion above. Personally I've ridden Splash Mountain several times and have never seen SOTS. And I'll freely admit to not fully understanding the plot of the ride or realizing Br'er rabbit wanted to be thrown into the patch. A lot of times I found it difficult to hear a lot of what's being said. Whether from guests talking, screaming or water effects etc. I have the same problem sometimes on Pirates. No sarcasm here I was wondering about the plot a little but didn't want to ask or look it up for fear of being called racist. So thank you for some of the explanation above. Again no sarcasm.
However not understanding some of the plot has never taken away my enjoyment of the ride. It's in my personal top 3 attractions at MK. I always ride it because I enjoy the ride. Now again I'm afraid to admit such things
because people may react badly.
In terms of the Retheme. If people like me are even afraid to admit they like the ride for fear of negative reactions from people then something eventually will have to change. Either the ride eventually will need to be Rethemed or a lot of new effort put into explaining why the theme should stay. Something along the lines of not erasing history but learning from it would work, like what they do before some movies.
As for the Retheme itself. I don't personally love the idea of a swamp mountain breaking up Frontierland. But if they go this route at least do it right. Don't skimp on animations like at gaurdians. Also Retheme the area behind it to a mini new Orleans sq. Type situation maybe even some sort of mickey beginet QS or something.
Quickly on the discussion above. Personally I've ridden Splash Mountain several times and have never seen SOTS. And I'll freely admit to not fully understanding the plot of the ride or realizing Br'er rabbit wanted to be thrown into the patch. A lot of times I found it difficult to hear a lot of what's being said. Whether from guests talking, screaming or water effects etc. I have the same problem sometimes on Pirates. No sarcasm here I was wondering about the plot a little but didn't want to ask or look it up for fear of being called racist. So thank you for some of the explanation above. Again no sarcasm.
However not understanding some of the plot has never taken away my enjoyment of the ride. It's in my personal top 3 attractions at MK. I always ride it because I enjoy the ride. Now again I'm afraid to admit such things
because people may react badly. In terms of the Retheme. If people like me are even afraid to admit they like the ride for fear of negative reactions from people then something eventually will have to change. Either the ride eventually will need to be Rethemed or a lot of new effort put into explaining why the theme should stay. Something along the lines of not erasing history but learning from it would work, like what they do before some movies.
As for the Retheme itself. I don't personally love the idea of a swamp mountain breaking up Frontierland. But if they go this route at least do it right. Don't skimp on animations like at gaurdians. Also Retheme the area behind it to a mini new Orleans sq. Type situation maybe even some sort of mickey beginet QS or something.
doctornick
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Yeah. I had ridden the ride multiple times prior to ever seeing the film and I definitely recognized that Rabbit was tricking Fox into throwing him into the briar patch so he could escape. Maybe it’s not obvious on a single ride but the narrative seems pretty straightforward especially with multiple rides. As others have indicated, Rabbit states the briar patch is his home.
Also I’d suggest that the concept of a “trickster” especially a rabbit (eg Buggs Bunny) who outwits the bad guys is a common trope that is easy to pick up as park of this story. Like most things at Disney, it draws upon a shared experience that many Americans/Westerners have.
Dear Prudence
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I think not being able to make out what's being said is an incredibly valid point to bring up. They have been times when the characters at Disneyland were completely indiscernible, and it was just a wall of noise. I think they've fixed the sound since 2017 (which was the worst state I had heard it in), and it seems to be much better now. The Disney World audio, even in recent videos, sounds pretty garbled in places.Personal Opinion here.
Quickly on the discussion above. Personally I've ridden Splash Mountain several times and have never seen SOTS. And I'll freely admit to not fully understanding the plot of the ride or realizing Br'er rabbit wanted to be thrown into the patch. A lot of times I found it difficult to hear a lot of what's being said. Whether from guests talking, screaming or water effects etc. I have the same problem sometimes on Pirates. No sarcasm here I was wondering about the plot a little but didn't want to ask or look it up for fear of being called racist. So thank you for some of the explanation above. Again no sarcasm.
However not understanding some of the plot has never taken away my enjoyment of the ride. It's in my personal top 3 attractions at MK. I always ride it because I enjoy the ride. Now again I'm afraid to admit such things
In terms of the Retheme. If people like me are even afraid to admit they like the ride for fear of negative reactions from people then something eventually will have to change. Either the ride eventually will need to be Rethemed or a lot of new effort put into explaining why the theme should stay. Something along the lines of not erasing history but learning from it would work, like what they do before some movies.
As for the Retheme itself. I don't personally love the idea of a swamp mountain breaking up Frontierland. But if they go this route at least do it right. Don't skimp on animations like at gaurdians. Also Retheme the area behind it to a mini new Orleans sq. Type situation maybe even some sort of mickey beginet QS or something.
Splash Mountain is my favourite attraction of all-time because of Brer Rabbit. He's part of my culture and my DNA, and, especially now, you have folks who don't know what they're talking about trying to "explain" things to you. It's a cute, sweet attraction that has great storytelling, that is also unfortunately attached to something problematic. It doesn't make you a bad person for loving Splash Mountain. You're not glorifying the thing it's attached to which has problems. Again, I think a lot of folks have problems with understanding that more than one thing can be true at the same time, because real life has complication and nuance.
Dear Prudence
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Bugs Bunny is a direct rip off of the original Brer Rabbit oral literature.
Brer Oswald
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Yep. And Bugs isn’t the only character to take inspiration from Brer Rabbit. It’s such an influential piece of oral literature.
None of those characters will get forgotten or removed by corporations though.
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