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[WDW Pro]

I don’t get “tropical lagoon” from the concept art, but I guess it’s a matter of opinion,

When in doubt throw a boat on it.

 

[LittleBuford]

When in doubt throw a boat on it.

It’s hardly a random decision in the context of a PatF-themed ride. Mama Odie’s tree is the logical choice for the redesigned summit. To suggest it’s derivative of Typhoon Lagoon makes no sense.

 

[EagleScout610]

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Of course, beyond these near and medium-term attractions, Bob Weiss mentioned the longer-term items that will need more time to assess. We know that one of these long term attractions is the redesigned Splash Mountain, which, despite being announced, is still in its very early stages. While that one is the redesign of an existing attraction, rather than a 'build from scratch', the redesign is extensive, so it will certainly take time. Another attraction that's expected to be open next year, Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind at Epcot, wasn't mentioned, so it's unclear what the state of that attraction is. It's been under construction for some time and is likely close to being completed, but we don't know for sure.

 

[BubbaisSleep]

Thank you for your answer. The aesthetic of the concept art reads as Southern to me, which is consistent with much of Frontierland’s existing look. But as you said, it’s a matter of opinion, and we won’t really know what the rethemed version will look like until they release more art.

I see what you’re saying and PATF does read southern as there is a NOS at DL. But Frontier and Southern, while they compliment eachother and can blend as they do in DL, can be two different approaches. Mid-west frontier will be very different than the Southern frontier.

It’s almost like Rivers of America, which takes four different rivers & aesthetics but blends them after each other as you sail so it’s flows. It wouldn’t flow if you had Rio Grande, Mississippi, back to Rio Grande as the Mississippi will now stand out.

Again, not a big deal to some but I’m just explaining why people do care.

 

[FettFan]

Well, in all fairness, Kevin Spacey doesn't voice him in ITTBAB.

Yep. Andrew Stanton has been the voice of Hopper in everything after the movie. Merchandise, video games, etc.

Stanton is also the voice of Crush.

 

[larryz]

I see what you’re saying and PATF does read southern as there is a NOS at DL. But Frontier and Southern, while they compliment eachother and can blend as they do in DL, can be two different approaches. Mid-west frontier will be very different than the Southern frontier.

It’s almost like Rivers of America, which takes four different rivers & aesthetics but blends them after each other as you sail so it’s flows. It wouldn’t flow if you had Rio Grande, Mississippi, back to Rio Grande as the Mississippi will now stand out.

Again, not a big deal to some but I’m just explaining why people do care.

See if you can guess which city this cinematic duel occurred in...

 

[BubbaisSleep]

See if you can guess which city this cinematic duel occurred in...

Oakland, California?

Looks like the same place i complimented DL for implementing so well. Thanks for the great share btw, I love NOLA.

 

[FettFan]

I spent a year there working on a project. The closest thing to a hill is the Avery Island salt dome where they make Tabasco. And that's not much above sea level.

Not quite true. The highest point in New Orleans is Monkey Hill.

But Monkey Hill was manmade thanks to a WPA canal dredging project back in the Depression. They needed somewhere to dump the mud and debris from the canals, so they chose Audubon Park. It was essentially a 30' tall landfill.

And now it's a lush playground within Audubon Zoo.

 

[LittleBuford]

I see what you’re saying and PATF does read southern as there is a NOS at DL. But Frontier and Southern, while they compliment eachother and can blend as they do in DL, can be two different approaches. Mid-west frontier will be very different than the Southern frontier.

It’s almost like Rivers of America, which takes four different rivers & aesthetics but blends them after each other as you sail so it’s flows. It wouldn’t flow if you had Rio Grande, Mississippi, back to Rio Grande as the Mississippi will now stand out.

Again, not a big deal to some but I’m just explaining why people do care.

I edited my earlier reply to you just before you quoted it, so you may not have seen what I wrote above, which is that I see nothing specifically New Orleans about the Mama Odie redesign. The more geographically specific references will, I think, be reserved for the interior.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I know adjustments were made for the WDW version of Splash Mountain.

I still don’t understand why the rethemed exterior is such a concern. No-one has been able to offer a specific reason for their fear that Frontierland’s visual coherence will be compromised.

If they leave the paint of the rock the same, and are just swapping the tree and removing the thorns, nothing is visually compromised.

I’m more concerned about the interior theming and style of music, which will be the same between both coasts, despite what was done for the original attractions.

 

[WDW Pro]

If they leave the paint of the rock the same, and are just swapping the tree and removing the thorns, nothing is visually compromised.

I’m more concerned about the interior theming and style of music, which will be the same between both coasts, despite what was done for the original attractions.

Don't count on a large tree, if there is one at all. Turns out the sightlines in WDW would have the new Splash Mountain visible from several places in Adventureland, among others. It might be a DL exclusive design if WDW is even changed at all.

 

[BubbaisSleep]

I edited my earlier reply to you just before you quoted it, so you may not have seen what I wrote above, which is that I see nothing specifically New Orleans about the Mama Odie redesign. The more geographically specific references will, I think, be reserved for the interior.

Yeah I agree, most elements seem to be in the interior. This will definitely be an exciting project to watch. We really don’t know much about what Disney has planned. That concept art even looked very blue sky. I think this ride will look absolutely beautiful on the West Coast & I can’t wait to see how it gets handled in Florida.

 

[_caleb]

the interior theming and style of music, which will be the same between both coasts

Where was this annouced?

 

[celluloid]

Except none of the song alludes to anything frontierish in that manner.

Here's the intro:

Howdy folks! Welcome to the one and only, original, Country Bear Jamboree — featuring a bit of Americana, our musical heritage of the past ​

But there aren't any songs from the past. No songs about wagon trains or railroads or the wild frontier. Instead, gems like this...

​

One night, I left the wife at home,​

And I went out with the boys.​

I was acting like a Don Juan,​

And making a lot of noise.​

​

ZEKE​

Tell ’em, lover boy!​

​

ERNEST​

A go-go girl caught my hand,​

I said, “I can’t. I’m a married man.”​

She said “If you ain’t gonna steal,​

You better not prowl.”​

Go-go dancer? That's a 19th century turn of phrase?

The problem with MK's Frontierland is that it confuses "Southern" with "Frontier."

It plays to the present and was meta before meta was cool, but country evokes western. The heritage is there. It does not have to be authentic just like Main Street USA play s The Music Man Soundtrack to evoke the time period. Again not perfect, but some songs are a direct tribute to that. Country music originates from country western pre south.
Maybe you have never seen the show?
There is a song that directly references the most famous Disney property at the time that featured exploration and travel. Davey Crockett was the king of the wild....Frontier. hmm.
Not to mention all of the artwork in the show in the style.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Honestly in Magic Kingdom they should just turn Liberty Square into the new “New Orleans Square”. If a sacrifice has to be made from the “attractions naughty list”, a “more contemporary” Hall of Presidents-style could be moved to Main Street (at the now cancelled Main Street Theater, in a similar location to Lincoln/style at Disneyland). That would be the location of a purpose built Tiana/P&TF attraction (Possibly a trackless ride system).

Everything from Haunted Mansion down to Diamond Horseshoe along the Rivers of America would then become part of MK’s NOS. Diamond Horseshoe/Liberty Tree Tavern would become Tiana’s Palace. Frontierland would begin at the Trading Post/CBJ area.

As for Disneyland, at least it would tie in to the existing adjacent NOS there. And you’d keep the arguably superior version of SM in MK all while boosting the park’s overall attraction count with a brand new princess attraction that would be suitable for ages/heights.

With TDL refusing to change their version the history of this attraction will never fully be scrapped anyway. Worst case scenario they can always revisit it with another IP, or wait for OLC to come around and do both together.

I made this suggestion. There are enough problematic attractions in that stretch that are probably already on the chopping block over the next 7-10 years. Bite the bullet and make it New Orleans Square so I can get a monte christo in the Magic Kingdom.

 

[larryz]

Oakland, California?

Looks like the same place i complimented DL for implementing so well. Thanks for the great share btw, I love NOLA.

Trivial side note: I got to walk on the river dock set they constructed for this movie, right across from Jackson Square and St Louis Cathedral.

 

[PizzaPlanet]

I made this suggestion. There are enough problematic attractions in that stretch that are probably already on the chopping block over the next 7-10 years. Bite the bullet and make it New Orleans Square so I can get a monte christo in the Magic Kingdom.

I'm just gonna say it: the theming in MK's Liberty Square is superior to New Orleans Square in DL.

The MK was designed with nearly perfect transitions between areas, which includes the walk from Fantasyland to Liberty Square, and from Liberty Square to Frontierland. It would be a waste to just toss aside a design that had been so carefully thought out decades ago.

It also wouldn't be cheap to retheme all of those building facades. Colonial America to New Orleans isn't exactly a quick paint job.

 

[Sundown]

@WDW Pro , gathering from what you've posted, is it correct that Splash Mountain might be kept as is at the Magic Kingdom? And that Splash Mountain will only be destroyed at Disneyland?

 

[EagleScout610]

@WDW Pro , gathering from what you've posted, is it correct that Splash Mountain might be kept as is at the Magic Kingdom? And that Splash Mountain will only be destroyed at Disneyland?

It's speculated that World's retheme is being "postponed" for the time being

 

[RSoxNo1]

I'm just gonna say it: the theming in MK's Liberty Square is superior to New Orleans Square in DL.

The MK was designed with nearly perfect transitions between areas, which includes the walk from Fantasyland to Liberty Square, and from Liberty Square to Frontierland. It would be a waste to just toss aside a design that had been so carefully thought out decades ago.

It also wouldn't be cheap to retheme all of those building facades. Colonial America to New Orleans isn't exactly a quick paint job.

Yes, the original intent of Liberty Square into Frontierland is fantastic execution. The problem is, that's going to be diluted. It happens with adding or changing attractions to any highly themed area, the story of the land gets bent to suite the new needs.