News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[Cmdr_Crimson]

I know this is going off the track a little..But, recently I rewatched a Donald Duck short that I'm sure won't air on Disney+ for certain reasons..The short is "Soup's on" from 1948 just 2 years after the SoTS came out...I think this has to be the first short that uses the Zip a Dee Do Dah song outside of the film..

Let's not also forget the elephant in the room of Donald cooking his own breatheren as well In the opening...

 

[Incomudro]

I know this is going off the track a little..But, recently I rewatched a Donald Duck short that I'm sure won't air on Disney+ for certain reasons..The short is "Soup's on" from 1948 just 2 years after the SoTS came out...I think this has to be the first short that uses the Zip a Dee Do Dah song outside of the film..

Let's not also forget the elephant in the room of Donald cooking his own breatheren as well In the opening...

Cannibal!

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Not sure if you can answer this but if the lift is Mama Odie’s house, why do we drop? I assume it’s still supposed to be Odie’s house even with no boat.

Because it’s a log flume ride.

 

[sedati]

I hate that it looks like a mound of poo, it's really disappointing they could not add the boat.

Way to judge a book by its (un)finished cover.
I wonder if the boat was too whimsical. While it’s called the “Magic” Kingdom there’s little that’s fantastical on that side of the park.

 

[Captain Culpepper Cline]

Before the drop Ray’s star appears next to Evangeline’s star. (Death drop)
Then the last scene is a party at Tiana’s new restaurant with jazz playing.
(Scents of food pumped in)
Then guests unload near the real restaurant that guests had to book a year in advance. However there is a cart selling beignets upon unload.
You’re welcome.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Not sure if you can answer this but if the lift is Mama Odie’s house, why do we drop? I assume it’s still supposed to be Odie’s house even with no boat.

I don't have a logical answer aside from the fact that they're being told they have to retrofit a log flume attraction into a ride through a bayou. And apparently aren't allowed to use Dr Facilier (which could have helped the lift and drop make more sense).

Makes me wonder if OLC were to build this, if the boat would be a possibility as I would imagine they would invest into the boat.

In terms of them putting the maximum effort to get it done right and look good, OLC would in fact put the proper effort in. However, they also wouldn't destroy their Splash Mountain in the first place. The ride and movie it's based on are not at all controversial in Japan (the movie is also public domain over there and widely available). It's also one of the most popular rides at TDL. Of course that was also true of the US versions, but OLC's don't care about stupid US controversies and seem to have better sense (as demonstrated by them rejecting Disney's requests to convert their Splash).

I doubt OLC would have any interest in a Tiana ride of any kind. The movie already underperformed for Disney's standards in the US, but it was a spectacular flop in Japan and is pretty unpopular there. They don't even seem to use Tiana in meet and greets, shows or anything else as far as I know. Not even sure if they sell Tiana merch.

But if they hypothetically decided to build a PATF ride, it would most likely be built from scratch and have a very large budget. It almost certainly wouldn't resemble the US variants, especially the story. I could see them going for something a bit more conservative for the facade, like a New Orleans style building. They'd probably go for a more traditional book report ride, which is seemingly what their version of Frozen is getting compared to the post-movie variant all other parks got.

 

[TalkToEthan]

And apparently aren't allowed to use Dr Facilier

What do you mean? Why is Disney not allowed to use its own character?

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

What do you mean? Why is Disney not allowed to use its own character?

The idea is this is "supposed" to take place after the accounts of the film and we all know what happened to Dr. Faciler..

Although the idea of him seeking his revenge with the shadows from the other side would have been a good idea as you take a wrong turn In the Bayou up until the drop would have made much more sense..

 

[James Alucobond]

I would also assume that comment implies that the advisors on the project told the designers not to use Facilier, but I could be reading too much into it.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

What do you mean? Why is Disney not allowed to use its own character?

Not what I meant. I mean that the imagineers actually building this ride have to adhere to rules they were given from their superiors. They settled on the plan that this had to take place after the movie, even early on in development before they'd decided what the story would be. They wanted Tiana to remain human throughout, but also include Louis, Naveen, Mama Odie and the others she met in the movie. I have to assume the decision not to include Facilier was forced upon the imagineers, which is foolish because he's incredibly popular and widely regarded as the best part of the movie.

There were other ways they could have included Facilier even within a sequel ride. But they either never considered it or simply didn't want him in the ride at all. As I mentioned in the other thread, his character and the type of magic he dabbles in is particularly compatible with resurrection, since the spirits he makes deals with are dark denizens of the netherworld. Or alternately (and i'd argue even better), keep him dead but send guests into the Other Side. The final minor drop leading into the netherworld (formerly Laughing Place) where the shadow spirits and their victims live, Facilier decked out in his witch doctor makeup trying to keep us trapped (this entire sequence could look very striking with traditional black lighting). Friends on the Other Side plays there, and then transitions into "Are You Ready" when you approach the lift. The lift hill serves as an attempt to climb our way back out, and it's a perfect opportunity to include Ray's spirit to help guide us with his light (fiber optic strands adorning the walls alongside the shadow spirits). Mama Odie can still appear at the top to banish the spirits and pull us back into the realm of the living (the big drop).

I've noticed a recent trend of "softening" child friendly fairy tale rides to make them less scary and giving the villains less of a presence. Little Mermaid, 7DMT (which originally had additional scenes with the Witch), Frozen Ever After, Snow White's Enchanted Wish and even Tokyo's Beauty and the Beast being examples of this. Perhaps that was one reason they didn't want to include Facilier...

 

[Touchdown]

Totally agree the Good Doctor did not just turn people into frogs, they could have had him cause all sorts of mischief and I bet there is going to be another “Where are the Pirates?” situation with the general public. Both of my GP siblings refuse to believe they would make a PatF ride without him.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Totally agree the Good Doctor did not just turn people into frogs, they could have had him cause all sorts of mischief and I bet there is going to be another “Where are the Pirates?” situation with the general public. Both of my GP siblings refuse to believe they would make a PatF ride without him.

True… the original snow white ride didn’t have Snow White in it cause “you are the magic” I mean…. “You are Snow White” - so it’s not like the early imagineers always got it right either.

But still…. This is silly. It would be like building a billion dollar Star Wars land and not featuring Darth Vader!

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

We're assuming he won't be included. That's it. There hasn't been anything to suggest he won't or that he will. Frankly not being included in some capacity would be moronic on Disney's part... but whatever.

Another possibility, it's a ruse. Disney needs something to wow guests and having Dr. Facilier in the attraction would come as a surprise, putting the attraction in the win column for the fans.

Less likely, but it's also possible that Disney planned for this with Facilier being featured in a seasonal overlay.

 

[TalkToEthan]

Merlin, you explained that magnificently…….very good post!!

 

[TalkToEthan]

But still…. This is silly. It would be like building a billion dollar Star Wars land and not featuring Darth Vader!

Hahaha,
So true

 

[Touchdown]

We're assuming he won't be included. That's it. There hasn't been anything to suggest he won't or that he will. Frankly not being included in some capacity would be moronic on Disney's part... but whatever.

Another possibility, it's a ruse. Disney needs something to wow guests and having Dr. Facilier in the attraction would come as a surprise, putting the attraction in the win column for the fans.

Less likely, but it's also possible that Disney planned for this with Facilier being featured in a seasonal overlay.

They announced the returning voices, Keith David was not on that list. Keith David regularly and continues to do voice over work (President in Rick and Morty) and returns to voice Facilier anytime Disney has asked in the past. There is multiple reports out there that there is a “problem” with him because he continues the evil Voodoo priest trope. We all know in what environment this ride was conceived in. They have no reason to “hide his involvement” they want the public behind this. I think it’s highly unlikely he is in it, but would love to be proven wrong.

 

[MisterPenguin]

They announced the returning voices, Keith David was not on that list. Keith David regularly and continues to do voice over work (President in Rick and Morty) and returns to voice Facilier anytime Disney has asked in the past. There is multiple reports out there that there is a “problem” with him because he continues the evil Voodoo priest trope. We all know in what environment this ride was conceived in. They have no reason to “hide his involvement” they want the public behind this. I think it’s highly unlikely he is in it, but would love to be proven wrong.

If there were truly an issue with Facilier and the Voodoo connection, he wouldn't be kept trotting out for every villain roll call. He even has his own song in the Halloween castle show.

Facilier isn't in TBA just like Hans isn't in FEA. The setting is after the movie.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

If there were truly an issue with Facilier and the Voodoo connection, he wouldn't be kept trotting out for every villain roll call. He even has his own song in the Halloween castle show.

This.

Facilier isn't in TBA just like Hans isn't in FEA. The setting is after the movie.

Not this.

Not really apples to apples. FEA doesn't feature Hans because he's a D lister. A one-off, who cares. He contributed little to the overall story. Facilier on the other hand was a featured player. The main antagonist. His appearance seems unlikely only because it takes place after the movie events but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

 

[wdrive]

If there were truly an issue with Facilier and the Voodoo connection, he wouldn't be kept trotting out for every villain roll call. He even has his own song in the Halloween castle show.

Facilier isn't in TBA just like Hans isn't in FEA. The setting is after the movie.

But he is slowly dropping out. Disappeared from California’s Oogie Boogie Bash treat trails and I also don’t believe he appeared in the park in Anaheim or Paris which he has done for Halloween seasons in years past.

I’m pretty sure he was a no show in Hong Kong this year and he’s appeared there before too.

He seems to be sticking around in shows/parades that already exist, but anything new recently he’s been missing

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

But he is slowly dropping out. Disappeared from California’s Oogie Boogie Bash treat trails and I also don’t believe he appeared in the park in Anaheim or Paris which he has done for Halloween seasons in years past.

I’m pretty sure he was a no show in Hong Kong this year and he’s appeared there before too.

He seems to be sticking around in shows/parades that already exist, but anything new recently he’s been missing

That does sound indicative of him being phased out. Dang.