News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[MagicHappens1971]

I'm afraid your insider-fed optimism is just pixieduster bait. I have zero confidence that TBA will do anything but fail.

The last success IMO was the Double Dumbo, and that's embarrassing.

TBA will not fail. It can not. There’s not enough pixie dust in the world to help Disney recover from the negative PR that would occur if it did. You may not like TBA when it opens, but it will not be a failure. It will be highly detailed, it will feature several AAs of Tiana, Louis, and friends, as well as critters and more. This retheme has to be at the least as good as Splash or better. It’s simple. Not trying to attack you, but it’s basically fact. TBA will not fail.

 

[Drdcm]

It's grammatically correct, but it's looks stupid.

Did you know the liberty boat in MK now says "I seem to remember all the things that never happened" in place of Splash"?

I looked this up. Apparently that was part of the script before it changed. Does it say anything different now when it would normally describe splash mountain?

Liberty Square Riverboat (Magic Kingdom)

 

[Tha Realest]

TBA will not fail. It can not. There’s not enough pixie dust in the world to help Disney recover from the negative PR that would occur if it did. You may not like TBA when it opens, but it will not be a failure. It will be highly detailed, it will feature several AAs of Tiana, Louis, and friends, as well as critters and more. This retheme has to be at the least as good as Splash or better. It’s simple. Not trying to attack you, but it’s basically fact. TBA will not fail.

Disneyland Paris cannot fail…
Disney California Adventure cannot fail…
DisneyQuest cannot fail…
Star Wars theatrical releases cannot fail…
Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser cannot fail…

 

[solidyne]

TBA will not fail. It can not. There’s not enough pixie dust in the world to help Disney recover from the negative PR that would occur if it did. You may not like TBA when it opens, but it will not be a failure. It will be highly detailed, it will feature several AAs of Tiana, Louis, and friends, as well as critters and more. This retheme has to be at the least as good as Splash or better. It’s simple. Not trying to attack you, but it’s basically fact. TBA will not fail.

I, like so many others, want this to be true. When you get to a certain age, though, you realize that things just get worse. It is much easier to acknowledge that than to get hopes up.

[This is not a matter of being anti-retheme; I'm not. I like PatF. There's just no way that this generation's creative talent can top the prior's. Every art form has its day, and for theme parks, that day is done.]

 

[Drdcm]

I, like so many others, want this to be true. When you get to a certain age, though, you realize that things just get worse. It much easier to acknowledge that than to get hopes up.

[This is not a matter of being anti-retheme; I'm not. I like PatF. There's just no way that this generation's creative talent can top the prior's. Every art form has its day, and for theme parks, that day is done.]

The first time I did FOP, I thought it was incredible. It felt like I was actually there. That being said, ever since then, I’ve had trouble with being able to focus and see well while on the ride. I’m not sure why.

Maybe it’s just that the new generations art doesn’t appeal to you because it is a different generation who has different preferences? Not sure how old you are.

 

[solidyne]

The first time I did FOP, I thought it was incredible. It felt like I was actually there. That being said, ever since then, I’ve had trouble with being able to focus and see well while on the ride. I’m not sure why.

Maybe it’s just that the new generations art doesn’t appeal to you because it is a different generation who has different preferences? Not sure how old you are.

52!

Oh yes, that could be, as with music, film, etc. Are there young people who prefer Smuggler's Run to, say, Pirates? Maybe so.

FOP would benefit from better glasses, frames that prevent peripheral distraction. It's blurry for me, too.

I'll hand it to the Millennials, though. I'm sure they could build a better video game than Tony Baxter...

 

[Drdcm]

52!

Oh yes, that could be, as with music, film, etc. Are there young people who prefer Smuggler's Run to, say, Pirates? Maybe so.

FOP would benefit from better glasses, frames that prevent peripheral distraction. It's blurry for me, too.

I'll hand it to the Millennials, though. I'm sure they could build a better video game than Tony Baxter...

Nah I agree with you in general. I’m only 32. The classics are classics for a reason. I think for me it’s mostly about nostalgia, so the newer stuff doesn’t have the emotional connection for me, and is inherently less satisfying

 

[Tha Realest]

I don’t think it will “fail” (objectively speaking) as it’s an E-ticket in crowded parks. It’s going to have high ridership regardless of the theming. But whether it has the capacity to be thematically underwhelming, or not do proper justice to the source material or songs? Absolutely.

I think the capacity for whether it’s a failure is mitigated by it being one attraction (and a replacement at that) than a standalone experience (like an entire park or resort hotel)

 

[solidyne]

Nah I agree with you in general. I’m only 32. The classics are classics for a reason. I think for me it’s mostly about nostalgia, so the newer stuff doesn’t have the emotional connection for me, and is inherently less satisfying

Indeed. It's hard to view the parks without the "nostalgia filter" on, but I try.

 

[BrerFoxesBayouAdventure]

From the 100th convention in Anaheim, very cocky assumption they are making here and almost disrespectful to the original creators:
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This is actually insulting.

 

[WorldExplorer]

From the 100th convention in Anaheim, very cocky assumption they are making here and almost disrespectful to the original creators:
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Ooooooh, okay, NOW I'm convinced.

 

[Coaster Lover]

Yes but the part you already know and are leaving out is they could have built an E ticket Tiana elsewhere on a ride system custom designed for the story they want to tell.

But where would they have put it when they cloned it for Disneyland?

 

[Disney Glimpses]

TBA will not fail. It can not.

This is the common sentiment within. Failure is not an option. Failure means not only seriously upsetting decades worth of acquired guests and fans but also means they did not put in a worthy effort to promote a cause that is the entire reason for the re-theme in the first place. The latter is a more significant issue.

I just wouldn't expect much else from Disney until after this attraction clears their books.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

This is the common sentiment within. Failure is not an option. Failure means not only seriously upsetting decades worth of acquired guests and fans but also means they did not put in a worthy effort to promote a cause that is the entire reason for the re-theme in the first place. The latter is a more significant issue.

I just wouldn't expect much else from Disney until after this attraction clears their books.

Thank you for posting this.

I understand people are disappointed with recent Disney additions & rethemes. I have been as well.

I understand that people don’t want this retheme. I disagree.

The point is, TBA (at least from a quality standpoint) will not fail.

From those who were posting tribute videos and memorials to Splash, it may be considered a failure.

 

[Jrb1979]

This is the common sentiment within. Failure is not an option. Failure means not only seriously upsetting decades worth of acquired guests and fans but also means they did not put in a worthy effort to promote a cause that is the entire reason for the re-theme in the first place. The latter is a more significant issue.

I just wouldn't expect much else from Disney until after this attraction clears their books.

By the time it's open people will forget. Only the hardcores care. When's the last time they should they care about them.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

By the time it's open people will forget. Only the hardcores care. When's the last time they should they care about them.

I loved Splash Mountain. I will miss it dearly. But I'm also excited to make new memories with TBA. It isn't the first thing that has left Disney that I have loved and it certainly won't be the last.

 

[Drdcm]

I’m looking forward to shelling out $15-30 for an ILL until they decide to develop another ride - which I suspect will take a long time.

 

[Jrb1979]

I loved Splash Mountain. I will miss it dearly. But I'm also excited to make new memories with TBA. It isn't the first thing that has left Disney that I have loved and it certainly won't be the last.

I'm sure it will be a success just as much as frozen at Epcot is a success. Doesn't mean its going to be the next best thing. I think too many are over hyping just like too many are thinking it will be a failure. IMO its going to be somewhere in the middle

 

[MagicHappens1971]

But where would they have put it when they cloned it for Disneyland?

They could’ve found the space, or not built it in DL. But that wouldn’t have solved the internal want/need to get rid of Splash. This killed two birds (maybe three) with one stone.

 

[Kirby86]

This is the common sentiment within. Failure is not an option. Failure means not only seriously upsetting decades worth of acquired guests and fans but also means they did not put in a worthy effort to promote a cause that is the entire reason for the re-theme in the first place. The latter is a more significant issue.

I just wouldn't expect much else from Disney until after this attraction clears their books.

There's always the option where they put forth all the effort and it does "fail". No one goes into making anything with the hopes of it turning out bad, but bad products be they movie's, books, etc do exist. Even the worst movie you ever saw was made thinking it was going to be good.

I'm not saying Tiana is going to fall into that camp. We know very little and it wouldn't be fair to to the Imagineers to say it's going to be awful.
However I don't care if Disney views failure as not an option that's not up to them to decide. Once the ride opens to the public that will be what decides it.