News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

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Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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_caleb said:
There's a first time for everything!

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I kid you in love.

I agree. Theming makes the difference, not just IP. Even if guests can't quite put their finger on what makes the difference, they know it.
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I never said theming isn't a difference. I said the story doesn't matter for most guests and that IP is a bigger draw. Frozen is a good example of that.
 
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celluloid

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_caleb said:
Did you ever ask a kid–after their first or second ride on Splash–what the story of the ride was? I'm sure it was clear to you, but I'm not sure these elements were super strong to begin with.
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My son, age four understood the reverse psychology aspect the first ride. A rabbit needing to get away and tricking the Bear and Fox to toss him home and all it's sight gags are a lot easier to explain to my son, and more gratifying than conveying and explaining Food Co Ops of the 1920s.
 
_caleb

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Jrb1979 said:
I never said theming isn't a difference. I said the story doesn't matter for most guests and that IP is a bigger draw. Frozen is a good example of that.
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Ok. But there are some some lower-quality attractions that don't seem super popular even though they feature popular IP.
 
Incomudro

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_caleb said:
Did you ever ask a kid–after their first or second ride on Splash–what the story of the ride was? I'm sure it was clear to you, but I'm not sure these elements were super strong to begin with.
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Much as I love Splash, I never noticed a story.
For me it was a series of scenes followed by a drop.
 
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Trauma

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JohnD said:
Of course they're shoehorning Tiana. For the reasons I already stated. Song of the South has a troubling background. What better way to replace it than with Tiana, so goes their thinking. And in an E ticket ride system, no less. I am telling you, that IP was the only IP up for consideration to replace Splash.
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Yes but the part you already know and are leaving out is they could have built an E ticket Tiana elsewhere on a ride system custom designed for the story they want to tell.
 
Drdcm

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celluloid said:
Here is hoping. I can't say the lowest common denominator of we find the missing ingredient for a party is as gratifying as what used to play out in the building much better, but alas, it is a log flume.
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I do think that the general message could be very similar to splash mountain… cherish the people around you.
 
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celluloid

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Drdcm said:
I do think that the general message could be very similar to splash mountain… cherish the people around you.
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.A nice message there sure. I don't think it has the same sense of wonder and daring panache of falling into a giant briar patch after all the scenes of talking and singing animals and variety, but it certainly could. I hope it is all staged well.

Home sweet home was the lesson of the ride and song. So maybe it will be, looking hard for the missing ingredient, but it's not about the food, but those you share it with.
 
_caleb

_caleb

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celluloid said:
Because the animals of Splash Mountain did not partake of slavery and had nothing to do with the story of Brer Rabbit tricking the fox and The bear.

Disney has said The Food Co-Op is the backstory for the attraction.

You brought up the comparison that kids did it understand Splash on the first or second ride through and now you are trying to bring something else into this entirety.

My son gets the general idea of Pirates in Pirates of The Caribbean with cursed treasure and not paying attention to the town burning down around them.

I don't have to explain the details of piracy and in detail how in reality it functioned differently.
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My points were:
1) I don't think the "story" of Splash Mountain is super clear on their own
2) A ride's backstory is used to help Imagineers create a consistent theme and story, but isn't necessarily explicitly part of the story

As long as WDI is allowed to do their their job, you won't have to explain co-ops (or salt mines!) in order for your 4-year old to understand Tiana's Bayou Adventure.
 
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Midwest Elitist

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From the 100th convention in Anaheim, very cocky assumption they are making here and almost disrespectful to the original creators:
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Jrb1979

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Trauma said:
Yes but the part you already know and are leaving out is they could have built an E ticket Tiana elsewhere on a ride system custom designed for the story they want to tell.
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That's the problem I have with the direction they are going in. No rhyme or reason for whether the IP fits.

_caleb said:
My points were:
1) I don't think the "story" of Splash Mountain is super clear on their own
2) A ride's backstory is used to help Imagineers create a consistent theme and story, but isn't necessarily explicitly part of the story

As long as WDI is allowed to do their their job, you won't have to explain co-ops (or salt mines!) in order for your 4-year old to understand Tiana's Bayou Adventure.
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That was the point I was making. Majority of guests don't care about the backstory.

When was the last time WDI was allowed to do their job without blowing the budget or have something impressive. IMO not since FOP has that happened.
 
Drdcm

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Midwest Elitist said:
It's grammatically correct, but it's looks stupid.

Did you know the liberty boat in MK now says "I seem to remember all the things that never happened" in place of Splash"?
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I just find it funny because it was a way to attribute a quote to Walt that may or may not have ever been something that happened.

Which may have been your point about the MK riverboat? I’m not good with understanding jokes on these forums lol
 
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Drdcm said:
I just find it funny because it was a way to attribute a quote to Walt that may or may not have ever been something that happened.

Which may have been your point about the MK riverboat? I’m not good with understanding jokes on these forums lol
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It feels like it's an unnecessary slant toward Splash fans.
 
JohnD

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Trauma said:
Yes but the part you already know and are leaving out is they could have built an E ticket Tiana elsewhere on a ride system custom designed for the story they want to tell.
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That would cost extra money. If they're going to close Splash, why build a completely new ride system? Far cheaper to retheme Splash. Again, I don't disagree with your wishful thinking but it simply was never going to happen.
 
solidyne

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Disney Glimpses said:
The difference here is that the ride isn't being demolished. Much of those lovely southern vibes are going to remain. All of those outdoor queue areas, the views of the fireworks, the smells of the water, the rustic wood structures: it's all going to be there waiting for us in the next attraction. Yeah, the loss of what is iconic Disney music is a big one, but from an attraction standpoint, I'm optimistic. Disney has way too many reasons they cannot fail with this re-theme. If anything, I think other stuff gets cut/pushed in order to make this one work.
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I'm afraid your insider-fed optimism is just pixieduster bait. I have zero confidence that TBA will do anything but fail.

The last success IMO was the Double Dumbo, and that's embarrassing.
 
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