News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

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MisterPenguin

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That’s funny, because the interviews with Joe R. that I have seen said that the “platform” the Yeti sits on and is part of the structure of the ride couldn’t handle the endless motion of the giant AA. That was the reason given as to why it couldn’t be repaired. The bottom line is EE was built in ‘06 and the Yeti only worked for a very short time before the structural problem was discovered.

See...

I've been meaning to post this for quite a while, but just haven't had time. Thanks to a recent reminder from @Master Yoda to try and shed some light on the Yeti debacle....

Ok, so back in September I was at a conference at WDW, and the wife decided to book a Dine With An Imagineer lunch at DHS. I skipped one of my educational sessions to do this, and we ended up with a 2-for-1. The main imagineer was a Show Design and Production manager, who was a DWAI veteran (and most recently involved in the Frozen Ever After project); the other guy was a mechanical engineer in charge of show quality, who was a newbie-in-training, at least when it came to these dinners. He explained to us that it was his job to do periodic "reviews" of the rides, and point out areas where show quality is falling below certain standards. He's also heavily involved in maintaining ride systems and animatronics. It was a fantastic experience, and we learned a lot about how things work behind the scenes, but nearing the end of our time, I (obviously) couldn't resist bringing up the Yeti.

Immediately upon my mentioning the Yeti, I could see that it was an obvious a sore spot for him. He stated that there have been multiple proposals put forth for repairing it, but none of the "big shots" have been on board. As for the specific problem, he mentioned that there are a couple of factors: flaws in the original "design calculations" (these were his words), particularly with regard to operational and maintenance conditions on such a large animatronic, and inability to perform proper maintenance on the Yeti. No mention of "shifting/failed foundations" as is often suggested. As a practicing structural engineer, I wanted to know whether this was the problem, and he indicated that the main issue is the animatronic itself.

The other factor is the ability to perform maintenance on the animatronic. I think this is the source of rumors that they "can't replace /fix it without opening up the mountain" rumors, but it's actually much simpler, and this issue ties into the first. He specifically talked about unanticipated stresses in parts of the animatronic due to lack of maintenance in other parts. If one of the motors in the yeti's elbow wears out or isn't functioning properly, but they continue to operate under those conditions, then higher stresses are transferred to the shoulder and chest, etc. My best guess regarding his comments about "incorrect calculations" is that he was referring to fatigue related problems in the robotic parts, and possibly in other structural supports.

The other major factor is that things have changed dramatically at WDW in the last few years regarding their compliance with OSHA standards for maintenance and fall protection. Any new work done to get the Yeti operational means that they have to update the design to meet these standards, so that ongoing maintenance on the animatronic can be safely performed. This would involve major upgrades to allow compliance with fall protection and other things related to maintenance workers.

It was encouraging at least to see how much it bothered him that it didn't work. He brought up the Universal dig re: their Kong animatronic (it moves...) and said that he and his colleagues all read blogs and other social media comments for research and to pick up on things they miss in their reviews. So, there you have it. Take it for what it's worth, but this guy was no bus driver...;)
 

yensidtlaw1969

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It was expensive to make Splash mountain so we would hope the re-theme wouldn't come close to that original cost. Even if a retheme was 10% that would be about 45 million.

It cost 190 Million to make Splash Mountain in 1989 or 450 mill in 2023 dollars. FYI the movie Splash Mountain was based on only cost 2 million to make!

Here are some cool numbers, wow 850 million for Smuggler's Run, darn!



The ride cost numbers in this article are ALL kinds of wrong.

Splash Mountain did not cost $190 Million in 1989 (or 1992), and Smugglers Run absolutely did not cost 850 million. The whole of Galaxy's Edge, including both attractions and the land itself, was around $1 Billion.

There's some serious confusion in that article's reporting.
 

Surferboy567

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Something I almost forgot about:

Splash Mountain had two different music tracks.

One for WDW’s Frontierland
One for DL’s Critter Country

Do we anticipate Tiana’s to do the same or since the New Orleans bayou theme is the constant across both versions the same music track will be used?

Music is what I think makes a large part of what made Splash Mountain successful.
 

MisterPenguin

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It was expensive to make Splash mountain so we would hope the re-theme wouldn't come close to that original cost. Even if a retheme was 10% that would be about 45 million.

It cost 190 Million to make Splash Mountain in 1989 or 450 mill in 2023 dollars. FYI the movie Splash Mountain was based on only cost 2 million to make!

Here are some cool numbers, wow 850 million for Smuggler's Run, darn!


The ride cost numbers in this article are ALL kinds of wrong.

Splash Mountain did not cost $190 Million in 1989 (or 1992), and Smugglers Run absolutely did not cost 850 million. The whole of Galaxy's Edge, including both attractions and the land itself, was around $1 Billion.

There's some serious confusion in that article's reporting.

The article is from a bad source: Inside the Magic. One used to be able to link them on this forum, but apparently they're now on the censored list. For good reason. So, @dovetail65 tried to hide the source and get around this forum's censors (which is against the Terms of Service and get oneself banned) by using a tinyurl redirect.

And the article is two years old. And its links to the original article in Money doesn't work any more. That Inside the Magic blindly accepted these questionable numbers goes to show why they are censored here.
 

Kirby86

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Something I almost forgot about:

Splash Mountain had two different music tracks.

One for WDW’s Frontierland
One for DL’s Critter Country

Do we anticipate Tiana’s to do the same or since the New Orleans bayou theme is the constant across both versions the same music track will be used?

Music is what I think makes a large part of what made Splash Mountain successful.
I think the soundtrack may be the same between the two. The interviews said they want to capture the spirit of New Orleans with the music. So I don't think Florida will be getting a Frontierland take on the soundtrack.
 

EagleScout610

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Laughin' Place Playground had removed all the references to the Laughin Place (Not sure what it's called now) and the Br'er Rabbit signage.
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MerlinTheGoat

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It was expensive to make Splash mountain so we would hope the re-theme wouldn't come close to that original cost. Even if a retheme was 10% that would be about 45 million.

It cost 190 Million to make Splash Mountain in 1989 or 450 mill in 2023 dollars. FYI the movie Splash Mountain was based on only cost 2 million to make!
As others have stated, the numbers in that article are wrong. The amount i've always seen cited for the original Splash Mountain at Disneyland is $75 million. It would have been significantly higher had they not reused the America Sings figures, but I highly doubt it would have upped the price to over double the amount had they not reused them.

I've never been able to find price tags for the versions of Splash in Florida and Tokyo. They share design roots with DL's, though they aren't 1:1 clones and use a different and more advanced type of ride system. They also contain far more detailed rockwork and show scenes. There are slightly fewer animatronics at WDW/Tokyo, and they probably didn't reuse any of the specific figures from America Sings (the minor characters are still copies of that show though). So having to make entirely new robotics would add a bit to the cost. The Brer figures specifically are also more advanced than the DL variants (particularly the hopping rabbit) and have more detailed and faithful designs to their animated versions. It would surprise me if these two variants were not significantly more expensive to build than Disneyland's. Still doubt it was close to $190 million though...

$75 million in 1989 would be $177 million today per the rate of inflation. That's not going to be entirely precise either since building materials don't convert to that rate precisely, so the actual amount for Splash would be even higher. Another issue is that Disney is stupidly wasteful with money these days. Cosmic Rewind cost $500 million. And that's housed inside a giant unthemed square building, recycled queue space and almost no physical props or figures during the ride. It's a roller coaster in the dark with a few video screens (and even those are less impressive than the art suggested). The actual cost to build Splash Mountain from the ground up today would be terrifying. Not to mention i'm supremely doubtful they would even be capable of creating it at all with their current "talent", even with an unlimited budget.

I again do not know what the exact budget for this Tiana retheme is. Just that it is far more than the initial $35 million ish suggested early in development, but not as absurdly high as the Cosmic Rewind budget. I suspect it's probably still in the 9-figure range given the apparent scope of what they want out of it (I don't think they could pull off something decent with only 8 figures). And since the facility and track are already there, a huge portion of the budget SHOULD hopefully be allocated specifically to the show scenes. A number of the new animatronics and even physical props have already been designed and built, before Splash even closed.
 
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FigmentFan82

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Should we be expecting Frozen Ever After quality of retheme? (YMMV on that one)

Any inkling that this will be done well other than anecdotal?
 

MerlinTheGoat

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Should we be expecting Frozen Ever After quality of retheme? (YMMV on that one)

Any inkling that this will be done well other than anecdotal?
Not going to be easy to say until it's actually open. It's hard to gauge based on art or subjective claims. But for what it's worth, there's apparently tremendously more internal excitement surrounding the quality of this project than there was with Frozen. Including even from people who were/are extremely negative and opposed to this project. And a lot of the positivity seems focused around them retaining a lot of the design choices that helped make Splash and other classic E tickets so well loved.

It seemingly has a healthy budget. And they allegedly know that they're under close scrutiny with regards to Splash Mountain's standards. The question is whether they have enough talent remaining at WDI to truly pull it off, and whether they avoid the same pitfalls a lot of their recent rides suffer from.

The salt mine story is the one thing that has been fought over. Even a lot of the people who think this project looks good are still not happy with it. But there are a handful of egos in charge that won't let it go. The only good thing is that based on what we've seen, it seems like it won't be particularly present in the ride itself. Possibly just relegated to the queue. I haven't seen a whole lot of traces of it on the exterior of the ride, and no sign of it on the interior yet.
 

Kirby86

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Should we be expecting Frozen Ever After quality of retheme? (YMMV on that one)

Any inkling that this will be done well other than anecdotal?
Honestly we don't know what to expect since all we have to work with is 3 pictures of concept art (one which seems to be outdated) and the model they had at D23 which looked like Splash Mountain but with a bunch of moss and a water tower thrown on it. Also we know mist will be part of the ride.
 
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