News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[LittleBuford]

I enjoyed that one, but I’m disturbed you think it’s fiction

I missed “fiction”—my apologies!

 

[Dear Prudence]

Kinda like a Disney folk tale…or a back story…

Like others have said, I am sure there is SOME truth to it, but it's very common in media to have a "narrative" attached to stuff, the way song writers have narratives about how songs were created. I am sure part of it is true, but pushed and plused to give a good story. Then you have people like Tori Amos who tell 5 different stories about how her songs were created and what they're about. I do think Baxter is a genius, though, make no mistake.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Also, who’s broke here? Because it’s not Disney. You can guarantee absolutely nothing.

I think they just made a kajillion dollars on a Marvel something or other recently, like these people are not hurting, they just act like they are.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Aye. Pretty much all Louisiana chefs do this.

They’re not just selling the spices, they’re selling the personality.

In that case, Justin Wilson with his "How Y'all Are Cajun Seasoning" has a lot more personality than Tiana and her "Foods".

It's not so much her name that makes it sound kind of amusing to me, but the very literal and boring "foods" after it. It sounds like if she started a fashion brand it would be called Tiana's Clothes.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

This redo will likely stand for decades. The cartoon will likely be forgotten in a few years at best.

Yes, but that's someone else's problem. The current regime will play its usual game of musical chairs, or just leave by then.

The opportunity for the cross promotion of something new is too irresistible for Disney. I wonder if the Disney+ series played a larger role in this getting done at all now that PatF is over a decade old? Perhaps there was more resistance to the general idea of the makeover when it was just going to involve the 2009 film, so the series and ride were co-developed and pitched simultaneously. They seem to want to distance themselves from the original movie as much as possible, which is perplexing for many of us, but makes sense if your #1 goal is supporting the streaming service you've spent all your time and money on.

Not that basing the ride solely on the OG movie wouldn't also promote the Disney Princess brand, or encourage people to re-watch it on Disney+.

To be clear, I am glad this is not going to be a book report ride, but the combination of elements they're using from the franchise to tell this specific story is strange to me.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Yes, but that's someone else's problem. The current regime will play its usual game of musical chairs, or just leave by then.

The opportunity for the cross promotion of something new is too irresistible for Disney. I wonder if the Disney+ series played a larger role in this getting done at all now that PatF is over a decade old? Perhaps there was more resistance to the general idea of the makeover when it was just going to involve the 2009 film, so the series and ride were co-developed and pitched simultaneously. They seem to want to distance themselves from the original movie as much as possible, which is perplexing for many of us, but makes sense if your #1 goal is supporting the streaming service you've spent all your time and money on.

Not that basing the ride solely on the OG movie wouldn't also promote the Disney Princess brand, or encourage people to re-watch it on Disney+.

To be clear, I am glad this is not going to be a book report ride, but the combination of elements they're using from the franchise to tell this specific story is strange to me.

It’s good for the imagineers that it’s NOT a book report ride…having to explain the mountain in Louisiana…instant F.

 

[LittleBuford]

Ok, look at the original designs of the MK…the segues between Main Street to Liberty Square to Frontierland…the crooked shutters, the “waste canal”, no restrooms in Liberty Square…the original design’s goals were always to be historically accurate as much as possible. There WAS a natural flow.

Thematic richness is not the same as historical accuracy. Imagineering has never been about recreating the past exactly. It’s all highly synthesised, idealised, and, well, Disneyfied.

 

[JoeCamel]

In that case, Justin Wilson with his "How Y'all Are Cajun Seasoning" has a lot more personality than Tiana and her "Foods".

It's not so much her name that makes it sound kind of amusing to me, but the very literal and boring "foods" after it. It sounds like if she started a fashion brand it would be called Tiana's Clothes.

Careful y'all, you gonna get turned into a frog talkin' like that.......

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Thematic richness is not the same as historical accuracy. Imagineering has never been about recreating the past exactly. It’s all highly synthesised, idealised, and, well, Disneyfied.


Everyone here is free to post within the rules of the forum, whether to share an original thought or respond to what others have said. Please don’t tell me to be quiet just because you’re irked that I don’t agree with you.

Let’s talk about historical accuracy in the MK…a few examples…
1) All the flags on Main Street EXCEPT the main flag in the circle are 48 star flags NOT 50 so they are allowed to fly in the dark and don’t have to be raised and lowered…

2) There are NO restrooms in Liberty Square since there was no indoor plumbing during that time.

3) The shutters on the buildings all droop…NOT because they’re not maintained (one of the few examples, lol), but during the Revolutionary War, all metal was being diverted to ammunitions and leather straps had to be used instead of steel hinges, hence the droop…

4) The “sewage canal” on the sidewalks in Liberty Square…HISTORICALLY ACCURATE because that’s the way sewage was handled during colonial times.

There’s 4 examples of historical accuracy NOT thematic richness…not “Disneyfied”

 

[LittleBuford]

On the topic of historical accuracy, I have a lot to say and disagree with your stance. That doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion or am declaring myself infallible; it simply means I would be interested in discussing the topic in the spirit of friendly debate, which is what is supposed to happen in a forum such as this. I have responses to all the examples you've provided, but you've framed things in such a way that I don't wish to share them for fear of being branded a know-it-all who wants the last word.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

In that case, Justin Wilson with his "How Y'all Are Cajun Seasoning" has a lot more personality than Tiana and her "Foods".

It's not so much her name that makes it sound kind of amusing to me, but the very literal and boring "foods" after it. It sounds like if she started a fashion brand it would be called Tiana's Clothes.

The full name is:

Tiana’s
Gumbo and
Inspirational
Foods

but she faced a copyright infringement lawsuit and had to shorten it.

The kids will just call it TF, anyway.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

I have never said I'm always right. There are plenty of discussions in which I don't participate, either because I'm uninterested in the topic or have nothing worth sharing.

On the topic of historical accuracy, I have a lot to say and disagree with your stance. That doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion or am declaring myself infallible; it simply means I would be interested in discussing the topic in the spirit of friendly debate, which is what is supposed to happen in a forum such as this. I have responses to all the examples you've provided, but you've framed things in such a way that I don't wish to share them for fear of being branded a know-it-all who wants the last word.

If you wish to reply and show me
(And everyone else) how I’m wrong in my examples, by all means, converse…if there’s one thing I WON’T accept is being accused of censorship..PLEASE feel free to show me the error of my ways. Trust me, I’ve been married almost 30 years, if there’s ANYONE who knows how to say they’re wrong, it’s me.

 

[LittleBuford]

If you wish to reply and show me
(And everyone else) how I’m wrong in my examples, by all means, converse…if there’s one thing I WON’T accept is being accused of censorship..PLEASE feel free to show me the error of my ways. Trust me, I’ve been married almost 30 years, if there’s ANYONE who knows how to say they’re wrong, it’s me.

I’m moving on.

 

[BrerFoxesBayouAdventure]

The full name is:

Tiana’s
Gumbo and
Inspirational
Foods

but she faced a copyright infringement lawsuit and had to shorten it.

The kids will just call it TF, anyway.

Transformers? Tiana and friends are Autobots now?

 

[Elijah Abrams]

With this retheme a go, couldn’t Magic Kingdom at least merge their Liberty Square and Frontierland areas into one, either called "Americana", "Rivers of America", or "Countryland"? Problem solved.

 

[EagleScout610]

This was brought up in the DL thread, but is it possible California's closing got moved not only for Toontown but given Indiana Jones and a couple other big rides are down for long refurbs until the spring. Magic Kingdom as far as I know, doesn't have many, if any, high scale attractions down, so closing Splash would be like it's regular rehab time.

 

[Incomudro]

In that case, Justin Wilson with his "How Y'all Are Cajun Seasoning" has a lot more personality than Tiana and her "Foods".

It's not so much her name that makes it sound kind of amusing to me, but the very literal and boring "foods" after it. It sounds like if she started a fashion brand it would be called Tiana's Clothes.

Yeah, "foods" is likely part of what makes this sound so bad.
It sounds like a giant corporation, like Kraft Foods - rather than a personal thing like we would imagine being linked to Tiana.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I'm not sure why it keeps striking me as kind of hilarious how unimaginative Tiana is when it comes to naming things.

She has Tiana's Place, now Tiana's Foods and I imagine her house has a sign reading Tiana's House out the front and everything in her pantry is labelled Tiana's paprika, Tiana's oregano, Tiana's garlic powder, etc.

Have you heard of a guy named 'Disney' and the naming conventions of his company ?

 

[EagleScout610]

Have you heard of a guy named 'Disney' and the naming conventions of his company ?

Good grief. We gotta stop this guy

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

I enjoyed that one, but I’m disturbed you think it’s fiction

Did you see all that Iger worship in the second half?

The Imagineering Story is at least Semi-Fictional.