doctornick
Well-Known Member
If the “beyond thunder mountain” comes to pass for MK, hopefully they add a small New Orleans section and specifically Tiana’s restaurant next to Splash. Would be nice get get some NO staples in MK.
I didn’t mean it as a negative. I think some book report retellings are well done. I was asking if that was his issue with the Tiana info we have so far.I don’t understand why book-report retellings have come to be so disparaged. No-one seems to have minded this approach in the past, when it was standard. Even Splash Mountain in its current form follows the book-report format.
I personally enjoy it and don’t consider it badly designed.
And there lies the dilemma. I know people who will be extremely disappointed if the frogs don't feature in the ride. It's a tough nut to crack for sure. Whatever they do, it has huge shoes to fill so it better be great.I'd love to hang out with human Tiana and her prince in the bayou, they didn't spend enough time as humans in the movie and that would make up for the mistake (and move merch).
Sure, there's a certain symmetry in terms of when the songs occur, but none of the major plot points of Frozen are featured in the ride. The king and queen don't die, Elsa doesn't struggle to contain her powers and flee once they're revealed, Anna isn't seduced by a prince who turns out to be the villain, the sisters don't save each other's lives through love, etc. We're really stretching the concept of "book-report retelling" if we insist on applying it to Frozen Ever After.It's basically the same:
Scene 1) Olaf singing Would You like to Build a Snow Man
Scene 2) Rock trolls discuss the Frozen ending
Scene 3) Ice castle in the distance
Scene 4) Olaf skating
Scene 5) Ana/Kristoff singing First Time in Forever
Scene 6) Elsa singing Let it Go (Cold Never Bothered me Anyway)
Scene 7) Abominable snowman
Scene 8) Back in Arendelle
Scene 9) Ana/Elsa/Olaf singing
I always interpreted it as Elsa returning to the palace after the events of the film.Even if you like the ride, Elsa singing Let It Go at the ice palace makes no sense in terms of the ride's supposed plot/story. It only works if it's taking place during Frozen and not after.
One of the reasons I like the approach to FEA is that it's one recent attraction in which they haven't tied themselves in knots trying to develop a linear story that makes literal sense at the expense of giving people what they want in a fun ride. In this case, you can fill in your own blanks as to why she was in the ice palace: Who knows, maybe she just likes to go up there to sing by herself sometimes? I don't think the ride would have been any better if they showed her in a different palace without the images from the film singing the same song and certainly not if they cut the song altogether because that already happened in the film and she would be in a different state of mind now.I always interpreted it as Elsa returning to the palace after the events of the film.
I'm wondering if it's due to the fact there is a mountain as part of the original attraction. They need some reason why it's there.One of the reasons I like the approach to FEA is that it's one recent attraction in which they haven't tied themselves in knots trying to develop a linear story that makes literal sense at the expense of giving people what they want in a fun ride. In this case, you can fill in your own blanks as to why she was in the ice palace: Who knows, maybe she just likes to go up there to sing by herself sometimes? I don't think the ride would have been any better if they showed her in a different palace without the images from the film singing the same song and certainly not if they cut the song altogether because that already happened in the film and she would be in a different state of mind now.
It works, I think, precisely because it's just a ride through the world of the film with just the loosest of stories to tie it all together and that allows them the best of all worlds by being able to show all the things people liked in the film without literally having to recreate its plot.
What worries me from what we've heard about Tiana is that the story is coming at the expensive of making the most fun and engaging ride they can.
I really don't think they need to worry too much about explaining it. Georgia isn't exactly mountainous and no-one has cared for all the years Splash Mountain has been there. I really think if Disney doesn't focus on it, most guests won't really think about it. In this regard, perhaps things like the water tower (minus the crown) and tall trees out front are enough just in de-emphasizing the hight of the ride.I'm wondering if it's due to the fact there is a mountain as part of the original attraction. They need some reason why it's there.
I agree that they don’t need to explicitly explain the existence of the mountain, but they do need some sort of plot device to explain why you’re going up and down in the ride.I really don't think they need to worry too much about explaining it. Georgia isn't exactly mountainous and no-one has cared for all the years Splash Mountain has been there. I really think if Disney doesn't focus on it, most guests won't really think about it. In this regard, perhaps things like the water tower (minus the crown) and tall trees out front are enough just in de-emphasizing the hight of the ride.
Precisely.One of the reasons I like the approach to FEA is that it's one recent attraction in which they haven't tied themselves in knots trying to develop a linear story that makes literal sense at the expense of giving people what they want in a fun ride. In this case, you can fill in your own blanks as to why she was in the ice palace: Who knows, maybe she just likes to go up there to sing by herself sometimes? I don't think the ride would have been any better if they showed her in a different palace without the images from the film singing the same song and certainly not if they cut the song altogether because that already happened in the film and she would be in a different state of mind now.
It works, I think, precisely because it's just a ride through the world of the film with just the loosest of stories to tie it all together and that allows them the best of all worlds by being able to show all the things people liked in the film without literally having to recreate its plot.
What worries me from what we've heard about Tiana is that the story is coming at the expensive of making the most fun and engaging ride they can.
But I’m not sure I could have conjured up a duller concept for the elevation than “you’re in a salt mine” if I tried. Like, they literally chose the thing that’s used as a metaphor for “boring labor.”
Well Georgia does have part of the Appalachian Mountains. But if the ride is fun I agree that I don't think people would mind a hill in a Princess and the Frog ride.I really don't think they need to worry too much about explaining it. Georgia isn't exactly mountainous and no-one has cared for all the years Splash Mountain has been there. I really think if Disney doesn't focus on it, most guests won't really think about it. In this regard, perhaps things like the water tower (minus the crown) and tall trees out front are enough just in de-emphasizing the hight of the ride.
Sorry…I took that the wrong way. I meant “seasonal” as weather…I'm assuming this is sarcasm?
Perfectly said—I couldn’t agree more!One of the reasons I like the approach to FEA is that it's one recent attraction in which they haven't tied themselves in knots trying to develop a linear story that makes literal sense at the expense of giving people what they want in a fun ride. In this case, you can fill in your own blanks as to why she was in the ice palace: Who knows, maybe she just likes to go up there to sing by herself sometimes? I don't think the ride would have been any better if they showed her in a different palace without the images from the film singing the same song and certainly not if they cut the song altogether because that already happened in the film and she would be in a different state of mind now.
It works, I think, precisely because it's just a ride through the world of the film with just the loosest of stories to tie it all together and that allows them the best of all worlds by being able to show all the things people liked in the film without literally having to recreate its plot.
What worries me from what we've heard about Tiana is that the story is coming at the expensive of making the most fun and engaging ride they can.
There are few things as depressing as a book report assignment. Maybe other posters, like me, have PTSD from past assignments?I don’t understand why book-report retellings have come to be so disparaged.
Would you prefer a pop quiz style attraction?There are few things as depressing as a book report assignment. Maybe other posters, like me, have PTSD from past assignments?
Ohhh, can I play Big Daddy?So....are we, the rider, going to be playing the role of salt?
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