News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[LittleBuford]

Interestingly, the film was renamed Zootropolis in the UK. It’s a better title in my opinion.

 

[UNCgolf]

Agree to disagree, as Zootopia isn't about animals, its about animals acting as people facing people problems.

I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm.

 

[Phicinfan]

I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm.

yah been a busy day, totally missed that one...

 

[𝐌𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓 𝐖𝖊𝖇]

This . . . this isn't coming in to replace Dinoland, is it??

Could you imagine?! Scary thought. As.a mini land, yeesh. And worse... A replacement to Dinosaur? Disney will have truly "lost it" if that's the plan. Let's hope not.

 

[LittleBuford]

Could you imagine?! Scary thought. As.a mini land, yeesh. And worse... A replacement to Dinosaur? Disney will have truly "lost it" if that's the plan. Let's hope not.

I very much doubt they would get rid of Dinosaur, whatever they may do with the rest of DinoLand USA.

 

[Dear Prudence]

I am honestly glad that Splash Mountain is not changing to Zootopia for a multitude of reasons. Make no mistake, I enjoyed Zootopia, and the scene where Nick Wilde is rejected from Junior Ranger Scouts is too emotionally intense for me to handle, but it fails in a multitude of areas and hasn't necessarily aged well. I mean, PATF hasn't necessarily aged that well, either, but it has a couple of more factors going for it.

 

[LittleBuford]

I am honestly glad that Splash Mountain is not changing to Zootopia for a multitude of reasons, also because there is a SOTS reference in it, and I am sick of people who have no business talking about it using it to grandstand. Make no mistake, I enjoyed Zootopia, and the scene where Nick Wilde is rejected from Junior Ranger Scouts is too emotionally intense for me to handle, but it fails in a multitude of areas and hasn't necessarily aged well. I mean, PATF hasn't necessarily aged that well, either, but it has a couple of more factors going for it.

Oh, Zootopia as a Splash Mountain replacement would make zero sense! I didn't even know that was something people were discussing as a serious option.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Oh, Zootopia as a Splash Mountain replacement would make zero sense! I didn't even know that was something people were discussing as a serious option.

Twitter was discussing it, but Twitter is... Especially with everything that has happened since the film came out in 2016, trying to unpack the clumsy messages of the movie just wouldn't work. I don't even know how they would make the transition or what story to tell, because Zootopia, for all of its flaws, is a GREAT crime mystery movie. It just has too much going on--unless it was a trip through the different lands? It wouldn't work. LOL.

 

[Anteater]

and I am sick of people who have no business talking about it using it to grandstand.

If any ride or movie has us talking about race in America, I'm all for it. I'm not OK with shutting comments that certain people disagree with. And, it's OK to have civil disagreements...

 

[LittleBuford]

Twitter was discussing it, but Twitter is... Especially with everything that has happened since the film came out in 2016, trying to unpack the clumsy messages of the movie just wouldn't work. I don't even know how they would make the transition or what story to tell, because Zootopia, for all of its flaws, is a GREAT crime mystery movie. It just has too much going on--unless it was a trip through the different lands? It wouldn't work. LOL.

The story isn't the issue for me; I just don't see how it would fit in thematically. (For all the criticisms of PatF as a theme, it's at least consistent with the heavy presence of things Southern in Frotierland, including SotS.)

 

[Dear Prudence]

If any ride or movie has us talking about race in America, I'm all for it. I'm not OK with shutting comments that certain people disagree with. And, it's OK to have civil disagreements...

My problem is that the people who need to be heard about it can't be. As a BIPOC, I am tired of being talked over and drowned up because people who aren't effected by it are using it to posture. It's not about having these necessary conversations. Having people who aren't effected by these things always being the ones talking about it isn't a conversation. Black and Native pain isn't a talking point to "win" internet arguments. I don't know if you can have a "civil disagreement" on our fundamental humanity.

 

[Dear Prudence]

The story isn't the issue for me; I just don't see how it would fit in thematically. (For all the criticisms of PatF as a theme, it's at least consistent with the heavy presence of things Southern in Frotierland, including SotS.)

Isn't there a desert area/land/district in Zootopia? It still doesn't fit, but I am sure people would do all kinds of mental gymnastics to make it justified. In both parks it is just a bad fit.

 

[Anteater]

My problem is that the people who need to be heard about it can't be. As a BIPOC, I am tired of being talked over and drowned up because people who aren't effected by it are using it to posture. It's not about having these necessary conversations. Having people who aren't effected by these things always being the ones talking about it isn't a conversation. Black and Native pain isn't a talking point to "win" internet arguments.

Sorry. I think we're all affected by it. Most are simply stating that, changing a ride is not helping the cause in any shape or form that's meaningful. How is SM painful for you, as a Native American?

 

[Dear Prudence]

Sorry. I think we're all affected by it. Most are simply stating that, changing a ride is not helping the cause in any shape or form that's meaningful. How is SM painful for you, as a Native American?

I've gone over this in other parts of this thread and I am not retreading on it. This conversation is honestly exhausting, especially since people can just turn around and "choose" to "disagree" with it.

I'm going back to mocking the fact that 75% of the lights are out on the WDW version of the attraction.

 

[999th Happy Haunt]

I wish. Looks like the idiots will win and it will end up in Animal Kingdom. I’ve had long conversations directly with Joe Rohde about this. We both DO NOT believe it should go into Animal Kingdom. But idiots are in charge now and we are both out of the company.

Disgusting.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

It seems incredibly obvious that it doesn't belong in Animal Kingdom.

But nobody should be surprised that current Disney leadership and many of its fans don't care.

 

[Dear Prudence]

The unbuilt Beastly Kingdom really had nothing educational about it:

Beastly Kingdom

Beastly Kingdom was a section that was to be built in Disney's Animal Kingdom. The section was never built and the land that was to be used for this area was turned into Camp Minnie-Mickey and later Pandora: The World of Avatar. The Animal Kingdom park focuses on three types of animals: today's...

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In terms of how the park currently exists, I do see your point, though I personally think the educational value of Pandora is minimal at best.

this doesn't make me not want it any less #theonethatgotaway

 

[LittleBuford]

this doesn't make me not want it any less #theonethatgotaway

I, too, wish Beastly Kingdom had come to fruition. But I have to be honest and admit that I'd prefer a (well-done) Zootopia miniland to what currently constitutes DinoLAND USA (as long as they leave Dinosaur alone).

 

[celluloid]

The unbuilt Beastly Kingdom really had nothing educational about it:

Beastly Kingdom

Beastly Kingdom was a section that was to be built in Disney's Animal Kingdom. The section was never built and the land that was to be used for this area was turned into Camp Minnie-Mickey and later Pandora: The World of Avatar. The Animal Kingdom park focuses on three types of animals: today's...

disney.fandom.com

In terms of how the park currently exists, I do see your point, though I personally think the educational value of Pandora is minimal at best.

Inspiration, not education is a constant of a presentational theme park, which Animal Kingdom mostly falls under. Mythology is always man's interpretation of how we deal with nature. Anthropomorphic animals in themselves is more of a stretch than dragons and myths. This is why I said inspires the thought of creatures coexisting real and not. Present and extinct. Does not exist, could maybe exist. Not just education.

 

[UNCgolf]

I, too, wish Beastly Kingdom had come to fruition. But I have to be honest and admit that I'd prefer a (well-done) Zootopia miniland to what currently constitutes DinoLAND USA (as long as they leave Dinosaur alone).

Even putting aside what we discussed above regarding thematic fit, I'm concerned that putting Zootopia in that area would feel incongruous with the rest of the park from a visual standpoint.

That's assuming they clone what they're building in Shanghai, of course, but I think we can all agree that's likely what they would do based on their recent track record. Considering they're just cloning FEA in other parks instead of building something new and impressive for Frozen, I can't imagine they'd want to design something new for Zootopia instead of using what already exists.

That means there would essentially be a modern city in that location, which would be a drastic departure from everything else at Animal Kingdom.