News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

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Roger_the_pianist

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The new Splash Mountain doesn't even have to be a mountain. Isn't it Chickapin Hill currently? That's probably a dialect form of Chinquapin and to many the dialects of Song of the South are a big part of the problem.

People with the argument ~ThErEs nO mOuNtAinS iN NoLa~ are just tiring...
 
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Chick-a-pin is very close to "Chinkapin" which is a type of oak. Which IS also referred to as "chinquapin" Chinkapin is also directly referenced in one of the Tar baby retellings, where Brer rabbit sits on it (After being tossed in the Briar Patch) combing tar from his fur. I've also been told that Chinkapin is also a Native word. Perhaps it could be something that goes back to the Indigenous tellings?

Though, why Disney changed it to "Chick" is unknown--but I highly doubt it has to do with dialect.
 
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Dear Prudence

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BrerCountry said:
Chick-a-pin is very close to "Chinkapin" which is a type of oak. Which IS also referred to as "chinquapin" Chinkapin is also directly referenced in one of the Tar baby retellings, where Brer rabbit sits on it (After being tossed in the Briar Patch) combing tar from his fur. I've also been told that Chinkapin is also a Native word. Perhaps it could be something that goes back to the Indigenous tellings?

Though, why Disney changed it to "Chick" is unknown--but I highly doubt it has to do with dialect.
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Chinquapin is a Powhatan word, which is in the Algonquin language group, and Rabbit for the Algonquin peoples is both a trickster and God. The Powhatan believe that Rabbit created the world by sprinkling deer hairs that became Humans. Whilst Tony Baxter has always said that his attractions were not "that deep" and "it's just a story," and was annoyed when people tried to discern deeper meanings out of things (in reference to Phantom Manor)(which is another reason why prescribing deeper, insidious meaning to the Splash narrative is as silly as it is exhausting), the Laughing Place show scenes in all 3 incarnations parallel the journey of Jiibayaabooz/Mateguas (a version of Brer Rabbit) through the underworld and Nanabozho and the Great Flood. Though interesting, and more than likely just a coincidence, it also proves that you can get whatever you want out of these narratives if you want it hard enough, but you wanting it doesn't make it true.
 
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Dear Prudence said:
Chinquapin is a Powhatan word, which is in the Algonquin language group, and Rabbit for the Algonquin peoples is both a trickster and God. The Powhatan believe that Rabbit created the world by sprinkling deer hairs that became Humans. Whilst Tony Baxter has always said that his attractions were not "that deep" and "it's just a story," and was annoyed when people tried to discern deeper meanings out of things (in reference to Phantom Manor)(which is another reason why prescribing deeper, insidious meaning to the Splash narrative is as silly as it is exhausting), the Laughing Place show scenes in all 3 incarnations parallel the journey of Jiibayaabooz/Mateguas (a version of Brer Rabbit) through the underworld and Nanabozho and the Great Flood. Though interesting, and more than likely just a coincidence, it also proves that you can get whatever you want out of these narratives if you want it hard enough, but you wanting it doesn't make it true.
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Oh! I've never thought of it that way, that's incredibly insightful and interesting!
Thank you for sharing that!
 
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I have also seen it; it's not the massively evil thing some people seem to think it is, but it is racist.
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This is true, and I've always been concerned about who gets to quantify this, because while the film has serious issues, there is a penchant to straight-up invent problems the way that they do with Splash. There are enough issues with SOTS without needing to invent any. Splash's connection to SOTS should be enough without straight-up inventing things. All this does is harm the people whom this actually affects, because they watch the POV ride through videos or watch SOTS online and it's not the monster that they were promised, it makes it look like crying wolf. It's so hard to be heard, about legitimate issues, concerns and criticisms, and when people say things that are patently false, for their own gain essentially, it hurts the people whom this actually affects.

Edit: and the reason why I bring up who actually gets to quantify of the SOTS or Splash degrees of problematic is because of the Twilight Renaissance, in which grown women, many of whom virtue signaling about Splash, may I add, have just...decided Twilight ISN'T racist because they...say so....and also claiming and all criticism of Twilight isn't legitimate because it's rooted in sexism (because I guess Native women and girls don't exist?) So, what happens a few years down the road when Splash is no longer The clout chasing du jour and they just decide to completely change the narrative devoid of reality because it suits them...does that make sense? Will BIPOC be given the space to be heard?
 
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Placing it back to the reason for this thread existing:

People who are not thinking the retheme is of quality are fairly frequently, in this very thread asked to accept it because inclusion is most important in this spot, at this particular ride. Even if the quality in is lackluster.
That is the same issue. If you do not like the idea, you are often labeled as being passively racist.
 
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I know it’s fun to call each other racist and all, but it’s very disheartening.

I feel like it’s so hard to have these conversations with the opposing point of view without it devolving into name calling.

I wish I was better with words to describe why this whole inclusivity thing is aggravating for me.

It’s something like this:

I welcome diversity in original ideas. That gives so many exciting and interesting opportunities for story telling.

What I don’t like - Here is a traditionally white character and we are going to race swap them.

Why don’t I like it?

Well it feels cheap. It feels like the message is “Your not worth putting in the effort for.”

It honestly makes me feel embarrassed.

Then there has to be this whole media push for how inclusive they are in this project that feels forced.

I don’t know maybe feeling that minorities deserve better makes me racist, who the heck knows anymore.
 
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celluloid

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Roger_the_pianist said:
If the topic of Splash Mountain brings up this much discord on racism then there is obviously a race related problem with the attraction.
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What kind of logic is that?

flawed.

Many people thought a Disney theme park was a terrible idea, so clearly, with all that discord it was a bad idea to build a Disney theme park.

You could make the arugment the other way. It is why it needs to stay, because clearly no matter what people are going to presume someone does not like something because it is or is not racist.
 
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