Splash Mountain re-theme announced

[Phil12]

To that I would say..so what? All that matters is the context it is used in the cartoon and in that manner there is nothing racists about it or how its used on ice cream trucks. It's a catchy tune and used that way in both.

In 1928 the song was very offensive to blacks. And it's offensive today because the song was used for over 100 years to humiliate, degrade, embarrass and ridicule blacks. Racism was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Also, I'd like to point out, that the song, Zip a Dee Doo Dah has a similar history as it too is derived from Turkey in the Straw.

However, TWDC has recognized their mistake and they're performing a complete re-theme of Splash Mountain. That will help solve part of the problem. As for the other racist and insensitive elements of Disney cartoons (such as Steamboat Willie) they're getting a disclaimer added to them on Disney+ that says, “This program is presented as originally created. It may contain outdated cultural depictions.”

So even though you don't see the racism depicted in Steamboat Willie TWDC does see it (along with depictions of animal cruelty) and they've added a disclaimer to cover for old Uncle Walt. We still get to see these cartoons in all their insensitive glory.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

In 1928 the song was very offensive to blacks. And it's offensive today because the song was used for over 100 years to humiliate, degrade, embarrass and ridicule blacks. Racism was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Also, I'd like to point out, that the song, Zip a Dee Doo Dah has a similar history as it too is derived from Turkey in the Straw.

However, TWDC has recognized their mistake and they're performing a complete re-theme of Splash Mountain. That will help solve part of the problem. As for the other racist and insensitive elements of Disney cartoons (such as Steamboat Willie) they're getting a disclaimer added to them on Disney+ that says, “This program is presented as originally created. It may contain outdated cultural depictions.”

So even though you don't see the racism depicted in Steamboat Willie TWDC does see it (along with depictions of animal cruelty) and they've added a disclaimer to cover for old Uncle Walt. We still get to see these cartoons in all their insensitive glory.

Nothing wrong with steam boat willie, nothing wrong with zip-a-dee-doo-dah and especially nothing wrong with splash mountain.

 

[Phil12]

Nothing wrong with steam boat willie, nothing wrong with zip-a-dee-doo-dah and especially nothing wrong with splash mountain.

TWDC disagrees with you.

 

[Brer Oswald]

In 1928 the song was very offensive to blacks. And it's offensive today because the song was used for over 100 years to humiliate, degrade, embarrass and ridicule blacks. Racism was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Also, I'd like to point out, that the song, Zip a Dee Doo Dah has a similar history as it too is derived from Turkey in the Straw.

However, TWDC has recognized their mistake and they're performing a complete re-theme of Splash Mountain. That will help solve part of the problem. As for the other racist and insensitive elements of Disney cartoons (such as Steamboat Willie) they're getting a disclaimer added to them on Disney+ that says, “This program is presented as originally created. It may contain outdated cultural depictions.”

So even though you don't see the racism depicted in Steamboat Willie TWDC does see it (along with depictions of animal cruelty) and they've added a disclaimer to cover for old Uncle Walt. We still get to see these cartoons in all their insensitive glory.

Hate to say it, but they didn’t add anything. There’s a one line generic “disclaimer” in details that’s always been there, and it’s on every cartoon.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

TWDC disagrees with you.

No they don't. If they did then steamboat willie would be off Disney+

 

[brb1006]

In 1928 the song was very offensive to blacks. And it's offensive today because the song was used for over 100 years to humiliate, degrade, embarrass and ridicule blacks. Racism was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Also, I'd like to point out, that the song, Zip a Dee Doo Dah has a similar history as it too is derived from Turkey in the Straw.

However, TWDC has recognized their mistake and they're performing a complete re-theme of Splash Mountain. That will help solve part of the problem. As for the other racist and insensitive elements of Disney cartoons (such as Steamboat Willie) they're getting a disclaimer added to them on Disney+ that says, “This program is presented as originally created. It may contain outdated cultural depictions.”

So even though you don't see the racism depicted in Steamboat Willie TWDC does see it (along with depictions of animal cruelty) and they've added a disclaimer to cover for old Uncle Walt. We still get to see these cartoons in all their insensitive glory.

Uh, did you see any of the old cartoons by Warner Bros during that period? Or even Felix The Cat?

 

[Sharon&Susan]

. As for the other racist and insensitive elements of Disney cartoons (such as Steamboat Willie) they're getting a disclaimer added to them on Disney+ that says, “This program is presented as originally created. It may contain outdated cultural depictions.”

Ah yes, no one can forget the racially intolerant elements of such shorts like Chef Donald, Lend A Paw, How to Swim, or Beach Picnic. All that totally deserve that Disney+ disclaimer. They definitely didn't all get labeled with that disclaimer because of sheer laziness!

Spoiler

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[aw14]

In 1928 the song was very offensive to blacks. And it's offensive today because the song was used for over 100 years to humiliate, degrade, embarrass and ridicule blacks. Racism was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Also, I'd like to point out, that the song, Zip a Dee Doo Dah has a similar history as it too is derived from Turkey in the Straw.

However, TWDC has recognized their mistake and they're performing a complete re-theme of Splash Mountain. That will help solve part of the problem. As for the other racist and insensitive elements of Disney cartoons (such as Steamboat Willie) they're getting a disclaimer added to them on Disney+ that says, “This program is presented as originally created. It may contain outdated cultural depictions.”

So even though you don't see the racism depicted in Steamboat Willie TWDC does see it (along with depictions of animal cruelty) and they've added a disclaimer to cover for old Uncle Walt. We still get to see these cartoons in all their insensitive glory.

You know that first sentence how? We’re you black in 1928? Or are you just making an assumption?

 

[Phil12]

You know that first sentence how? We’re you black in 1928? Or are you just making an assumption?

As I said in the next sentence, "...the song was used for over 100 years to humiliate, degrade, embarrass and ridicule blacks."

 

[Phil12]

Uh, did you see any of the old cartoons by Warner Bros during that period? Or even Felix The Cat?

Yes I have. Warner Brothers Studio also used insensitive, bigoted and racially stereotypical humor at the expense of minorities. It was by no means exclusive to Disney. But just because other studios also engaged in such offensive conduct does not in any way make the conduct any less egregious. It just demonstrates rampant overt racism.

 

[aw14]

As I said in the next sentence, "...the song was used for over 100 years to humiliate, degrade, embarrass and ridicule blacks."

Based on what proof? Please be specific...we’re you told by blacks in that era?

 

[Phil12]

Hate to say it, but they didn’t add anything. There’s a one line generic “disclaimer” in details that’s always been there, and it’s on every cartoon.

For your edification:

Watch Steamboat Willie | Full Movie | Disney+

Watch Mickey Mouse's classic cartoon debut.

www.disneyplus.com

 

[Phil12]

Based on what proof? Please be specific...we’re you told by blacks in that era?

"And here's another irrefutable fact: For nearly as long as the melody has been on the American shores, it has been used to denigrate and make fun of black people. Its use as the soundtrack for the blackface minstrel show era is not some trivial aside."

Talking About Race And Ice Cream Leaves A Sour Taste For Some

An earlier NPR post about the link between a popular ice cream truck melody and blackface minstrelsy has prompted criticism that the author is dredging up irrelevant history. The author responds.

www.npr.org

 

[aw14]

"And here's another irrefutable fact: For nearly as long as the melody has been on the American shores, it has been used to denigrate and make fun of black people. Its use as the soundtrack for the blackface minstrel show era is not some trivial aside."

Talking About Race And Ice Cream Leaves A Sour Taste For Some

An earlier NPR post about the link between a popular ice cream truck melody and blackface minstrelsy has prompted criticism that the author is dredging up irrelevant history. The author responds.

www.npr.org

So an article from 2014 is the end all be all of proof? Got ya

Also, did you forget this part of your article

It should now be clear that I don't believe ice cream trucks are rolling around blasting racism into our subconscious. I am not calling for the banning of ice cream truck music, and I do not think people should boycott the ice cream industry because it plays old songs. Nor do I think exploring America's history is divisive or a wasted endeavor.

 

[Brer Oswald]

For your edification:

Watch Steamboat Willie | Full Movie | Disney+

Watch Mickey Mouse's classic cartoon debut.

www.disneyplus.com

Did you even read what I said? There’s been a generic disclaimer since the start. It’s on every cartoon.

Nothing specific regarding Turkey in the Straw, or “racial insensitivity” was added because of The Ice Cream trick fiasco.

 

[Phil12]

So an article from 2014 is the end all be all of proof? Got ya

No. There's plenty of other proof:

"On another note, The New Republic article’s claim that “Turkey in the Straw” is not a racist song (because it lacks racist lyrics) is questionable. It was a popular black-faced minstrel show song and one of the most popular sheet music covers for the song is dominated by an image of a caricatured black man. "

https://bfy.tw/OqIR

Also, did you forget this part of your article

No again. I did not forget that part of the article. If the ice cram truck industry wants to insult black people by playing historically racist tunes, they may do so at their own business peril. TWDC was smart enough to take steps to mitigate their racist rants. The re-theme of Splash Mountain is one example. Their inclusion of disclaimers on insensitive cartoons and movies is another example.

Someone had mentioned earlier that Splash Mountain in Tokyo Disneyland is not going to be re-themed. And that makes perfect sense since Japan does not share the same history as the United States.

 

[Phil12]

Did you even read what I said? There’s been a generic disclaimer since the start. It’s on every cartoon.

Nothing specific regarding Turkey in the Straw, or “racial insensitivity” was added because of The Ice Cream trick fiasco.

The disclaimer, “This program is presented as originally created. It may contain outdated cultural depictions.” was added on the Disney+ streaming service last year (November, I think). Also, the Sunflower character in Fantasia is edited out. And, of course, Song of the South is not on Disney+.

 

[Brer Oswald]

The disclaimer, “This program is presented as originally created. It may contain outdated cultural depictions.” was added on the Disney+ streaming service last year (November, I think). Also, the Sunflower character in Fantasia is edited out. And, of course, Song of the South is not on Disney+.

You have selective reading or something.

You originally claimed that they added a disclaimer recently because of Turkey in the Straw. I said it was there from the beginning, and is on all of the cartoons. I didn’t say anything about Fantasia or SotS.

 

[Phil12]

You have selective reading or something.

You originally claimed that they added a disclaimer recently because of Turkey in the Straw. I said it was there from the beginning, and is on all of the cartoons. I didn’t say anything about Fantasia or SotS.

You're mistaken. To wit:

"As for the other racist and insensitive elements of Disney cartoons (such as Steamboat Willie) they're getting a disclaimer added to them on Disney+ that says, “This program is presented as originally created. It may contain outdated cultural depictions.”"

 

[Brer Oswald]

You're mistaken. To wit:

"As for the other racist and insensitive elements of Disney cartoons (such as Steamboat Willie) they're getting a disclaimer added to them on Disney+ that says, “This program is presented as originally created. It may contain outdated cultural depictions.”"

“They’re getting a disclaimer added to them”. As in, they are adding a disclaimer now due to the current movement. Which isn’t the case. They’ve been their since November. Heck, they’ve had disclaimers since 2001 when they were originally rereleased on DVD.