Splash Mountain re-theme announced

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brb1006

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I think it is worthwhile to discuss this matter. Believe it or not, there are still some people who honestly think that Splash Mountain is not at all racist.
What about Floyd Norman? He's a longtime animator at Disney (and one of the first black person at the Disney Company).
PhotoFloyd.jpg

He was one of the few members of the Disney Company that was pushing for the original movie to be released.
https:///2020/07/black-animator-defends-song-of-the-south-ne1/

Are you just forgetting/ignorning Floyd Norman's own words and advice?
 

brb1006

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Well, you see it's not what you think or what I think that counts. The owner of the material in question knows the history and based upon the obvious problems with the entire story and music, has decided to make a sound and thoughtful business decision to re-theme the attraction.

For your benefit I have attached a link which clearly shows the direct relationship (and racist connection) between the songs, Zip a Dee Doo Dah and Turkey in the Straw:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_in_the_Straw

I understand that Disney fans find it difficult to admit that the company would engage in such sordid racist entertainment hearkening back to the sad history of blackface minstrel shows in the United States. But, as you pointed out, Walt Disney has a history of portraying negative racial stereotypes. Now, they are taking action to correct some of these previous mistakes. They will be a better company.
Floyd Norman would like a word with you.
 

Sharon&Susan

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What about Floyd Norman? He's a longtime animator at Disney (and one of the first black person at the Disney Company).
PhotoFloyd.jpg

He was one of the few members of the Disney Company that was pushing for the original movie to be released.
https:///2020/07/black-animator-defends-song-of-the-south-ne1/

Are you just forgetting/ignorning Floyd Norman's own words and advice?
"He's an Uncle Tom!" in 3...2....1...
 

Phil12

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Floyd Norman would like a word with you.
It's interesting that using Floyd Norman as an example somehow gives people the belief that proximity to blackness immunizes other people from having attitudes that are rooted in racism or doing racist things.
 

Brer Oswald

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Well, you see it's not what you think or what I think that counts. The owner of the material in question knows the history and based upon the obvious problems with the entire story and music, has decided to make a sound and thoughtful business decision to re-theme the attraction.

For your benefit I have attached a link which clearly shows the direct relationship (and racist connection) between the songs, Zip a Dee Doo Dah and Turkey in the Straw:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_in_the_Straw

I understand that Disney fans find it difficult to admit that the company would engage in such sordid racist entertainment hearkening back to the sad history of blackface minstrel shows in the United States. But, as you pointed out, Walt Disney has a history of portraying negative racial stereotypes. Now, they are taking action to correct some of these previous mistakes. They will be a better company.
You conveniently ignored the first part of my argument that “Turkey in the Straw” is featured prominently in Disney’s most famous cartoon. It’s the exact song. Not a song speculated on a Wikipedia article to be related to the song.

So if that’s the case, shouldn’t Disney pull Steamboat Willie from Disney +? Shouldn’t Disney stop pushing Steamboat Willie in the parks, or at the start of the movies? We’re not arguing slippery slope here, this is the exact point of contention. We shouldn’t be ignoring it.
 

Horizons1

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Martin Luther King, Jr. once said, “…we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.” King said this to the Americans who refused to stand for the civil rights of racial minorities.

I think it is worthwhile to discuss this matter. Believe it or not, there are still some people who honestly think that Splash Mountain is not at all racist.
I honestly believe, and know, that Splash Mountain is not at all racist. I honestly believe and know that Splash Mountain is not racist because Splash Mountain is NOT racist. It’s a ride about a signing rabbit. I’m sorry forest animals that sing offend you but there are plenty of psychiatrists that can help you and your obsession with seeing racism everywhere.
 
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Phil12

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You conveniently ignored the first part of my argument that “Turkey in the Straw” is featured prominently in Disney’s most famous cartoon. It’s the exact song. Not a song speculated on a Wikipedia article to be related to the song.

So if that’s the case, shouldn’t Disney pull Steamboat Willie from Disney +? Shouldn’t Disney stop pushing Steamboat Willie in the parks, or at the start of the movies? We’re not arguing slippery slope here, this is the exact point of contention. We shouldn’t be ignoring it.
I agree. I would suggest you contact TWDC office of Corporate Social Responsibility (responsibility@twdc.com). They value your feedback on such issues.
 

Phil12

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Well wait. You’re the one virtue signaling left and right here. If you’re so worried about racism why don’t you contact them? Is it not convenient for your agenda?
Actually, the more the merrier. However, I don't desire to steal Brer Oswald's thunder as he seems to feel strongly about this issue. I'm less inclined to be concerned because of Walt Disney's long history of racist stereotypes included in some of his cartoons. These images have been well documented. Disney as well as other media companies continue to wrestle with this problem.

However, the problem of Steamboat Willie being racist is well known and documented:

If you desire hard proof of Mickey Mouse’s racist past, check out Steamboat Willie, his first popular cartoon short from 1928:






Throughout, Mickey and Minnie behave with the familiar “coonish” childishness of minstrel characters; they’re even dressed like them. The true umbilical connection, however, starts around 3:35. You’ll notice that when Mickey relies on the boat’s hook arm to grab Minnie from the shore and then unceremoniously drop her on the ship deck, sheet music flops out of her bag. But not just any sheet music; it’s a very specific song — “Turkey in the Straw,” the signature tune of Zip , the co-founder of blackface minstrelsy. Even if you haven’t heard of him, Zip inspired a song you definitely know: “Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah,” a title phrase that comes directly from the chorus of “Turkey in the Straw” (“O zip a duden duden duden zip a duden day”).

 

brb1006

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Actually, the more the merrier. However, I don't desire to steal Brer Oswald's thunder as he seems to feel strongly about this issue. I'm less inclined to be concerned because of Walt Disney's long history of racist stereotypes included in some of his cartoons. These images have been well documented. Disney as well as other media companies continue to wrestle with this problem.

However, the problem of Steamboat Willie being racist is well known and documented:

If you desire hard proof of Mickey Mouse’s racist past, check out Steamboat Willie, his first popular cartoon short from 1928:






Throughout, Mickey and Minnie behave with the familiar “coonish” childishness of minstrel characters; they’re even dressed like them. The true umbilical connection, however, starts around 3:35. You’ll notice that when Mickey relies on the boat’s hook arm to grab Minnie from the shore and then unceremoniously drop her on the ship deck, sheet music flops out of her bag. But not just any sheet music; it’s a very specific song — “Turkey in the Straw,” the signature tune of Zip ****, the co-founder of blackface minstrelsy. Even if you haven’t heard of him, Zip **** inspired a song you definitely know: “Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah,” a title phrase that comes directly from the chorus of “Turkey in the Straw” (“O zip a duden duden duden zip a duden day”).


That doesn't stop the song from being used at the parades.
 

Phil12

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I honestly believe, and know, that Splash Mountain is not at all racist. I honestly believe and know that Splash Mountain is not racist because Splash Mountain is NOT racist. It’s a ride about a signing rabbit. I’m sorry forest animals that sing offend you but there are plenty of psychiatrists that can help you and your obsession with seeing racism everywhere.
TWDC does not agree with your assessment.
 
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