Splash Mountain re-theme announced

[brb1006]

In 1928 the song was very offensive to blacks. And it's offensive today because the song was used for over 100 years to humiliate, degrade, embarrass and ridicule blacks. Racism was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Also, I'd like to point out, that the song, Zip a Dee Doo Dah has a similar history as it too is derived from Turkey in the Straw.

However, TWDC has recognized their mistake and they're performing a complete re-theme of Splash Mountain. That will help solve part of the problem. As for the other racist and insensitive elements of Disney cartoons (such as Steamboat Willie) they're getting a disclaimer added to them on Disney+ that says, “This program is presented as originally created. It may contain outdated cultural depictions.”

So even though you don't see the racism depicted in Steamboat Willie TWDC does see it (along with depictions of animal cruelty) and they've added a disclaimer to cover for old Uncle Walt. We still get to see these cartoons in all their insensitive glory.

Uh, did you see any of the old cartoons by Warner Bros during that period? Or even Felix The Cat?

 

[Sharon&Susan]

. As for the other racist and insensitive elements of Disney cartoons (such as Steamboat Willie) they're getting a disclaimer added to them on Disney+ that says, “This program is presented as originally created. It may contain outdated cultural depictions.”

Ah yes, no one can forget the racially intolerant elements of such shorts like Chef Donald, Lend A Paw, How to Swim, or Beach Picnic. All that totally deserve that Disney+ disclaimer. They definitely didn't all get labeled with that disclaimer because of sheer laziness!

Spoiler

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[aw14]

In 1928 the song was very offensive to blacks. And it's offensive today because the song was used for over 100 years to humiliate, degrade, embarrass and ridicule blacks. Racism was wrong then and it's wrong now.

Also, I'd like to point out, that the song, Zip a Dee Doo Dah has a similar history as it too is derived from Turkey in the Straw.

However, TWDC has recognized their mistake and they're performing a complete re-theme of Splash Mountain. That will help solve part of the problem. As for the other racist and insensitive elements of Disney cartoons (such as Steamboat Willie) they're getting a disclaimer added to them on Disney+ that says, “This program is presented as originally created. It may contain outdated cultural depictions.”

So even though you don't see the racism depicted in Steamboat Willie TWDC does see it (along with depictions of animal cruelty) and they've added a disclaimer to cover for old Uncle Walt. We still get to see these cartoons in all their insensitive glory.

You know that first sentence how? We’re you black in 1928? Or are you just making an assumption?

 

[Phil12]

You know that first sentence how? We’re you black in 1928? Or are you just making an assumption?

As I said in the next sentence, "...the song was used for over 100 years to humiliate, degrade, embarrass and ridicule blacks."

 

[Phil12]

Uh, did you see any of the old cartoons by Warner Bros during that period? Or even Felix The Cat?

Yes I have. Warner Brothers Studio also used insensitive, bigoted and racially stereotypical humor at the expense of minorities. It was by no means exclusive to Disney. But just because other studios also engaged in such offensive conduct does not in any way make the conduct any less egregious. It just demonstrates rampant overt racism.

 

[aw14]

As I said in the next sentence, "...the song was used for over 100 years to humiliate, degrade, embarrass and ridicule blacks."

Based on what proof? Please be specific...we’re you told by blacks in that era?

 

[Phil12]

Hate to say it, but they didn’t add anything. There’s a one line generic “disclaimer” in details that’s always been there, and it’s on every cartoon.

For your edification:

Watch Steamboat Willie | Full Movie | Disney+

Watch Mickey Mouse's classic cartoon debut.

www.disneyplus.com

 

[Phil12]

Based on what proof? Please be specific...we’re you told by blacks in that era?

"And here's another irrefutable fact: For nearly as long as the melody has been on the American shores, it has been used to denigrate and make fun of black people. Its use as the soundtrack for the blackface minstrel show era is not some trivial aside."

Talking About Race And Ice Cream Leaves A Sour Taste For Some

An earlier NPR post about the link between a popular ice cream truck melody and blackface minstrelsy has prompted criticism that the author is dredging up irrelevant history. The author responds.

www.npr.org

 

[aw14]

"And here's another irrefutable fact: For nearly as long as the melody has been on the American shores, it has been used to denigrate and make fun of black people. Its use as the soundtrack for the blackface minstrel show era is not some trivial aside."

Talking About Race And Ice Cream Leaves A Sour Taste For Some

An earlier NPR post about the link between a popular ice cream truck melody and blackface minstrelsy has prompted criticism that the author is dredging up irrelevant history. The author responds.

www.npr.org

So an article from 2014 is the end all be all of proof? Got ya

Also, did you forget this part of your article

It should now be clear that I don't believe ice cream trucks are rolling around blasting racism into our subconscious. I am not calling for the banning of ice cream truck music, and I do not think people should boycott the ice cream industry because it plays old songs. Nor do I think exploring America's history is divisive or a wasted endeavor.

 

[Brer Oswald]

For your edification:

Watch Steamboat Willie | Full Movie | Disney+

Watch Mickey Mouse's classic cartoon debut.

www.disneyplus.com

Did you even read what I said? There’s been a generic disclaimer since the start. It’s on every cartoon.

Nothing specific regarding Turkey in the Straw, or “racial insensitivity” was added because of The Ice Cream trick fiasco.

 

[Phil12]

So an article from 2014 is the end all be all of proof? Got ya

No. There's plenty of other proof:

"On another note, The New Republic article’s claim that “Turkey in the Straw” is not a racist song (because it lacks racist lyrics) is questionable. It was a popular black-faced minstrel show song and one of the most popular sheet music covers for the song is dominated by an image of a caricatured black man. "

https://bfy.tw/OqIR

Also, did you forget this part of your article

No again. I did not forget that part of the article. If the ice cram truck industry wants to insult black people by playing historically racist tunes, they may do so at their own business peril. TWDC was smart enough to take steps to mitigate their racist rants. The re-theme of Splash Mountain is one example. Their inclusion of disclaimers on insensitive cartoons and movies is another example.

Someone had mentioned earlier that Splash Mountain in Tokyo Disneyland is not going to be re-themed. And that makes perfect sense since Japan does not share the same history as the United States.

 

[Phil12]

Did you even read what I said? There’s been a generic disclaimer since the start. It’s on every cartoon.

Nothing specific regarding Turkey in the Straw, or “racial insensitivity” was added because of The Ice Cream trick fiasco.

The disclaimer, “This program is presented as originally created. It may contain outdated cultural depictions.” was added on the Disney+ streaming service last year (November, I think). Also, the Sunflower character in Fantasia is edited out. And, of course, Song of the South is not on Disney+.

 

[Brer Oswald]

The disclaimer, “This program is presented as originally created. It may contain outdated cultural depictions.” was added on the Disney+ streaming service last year (November, I think). Also, the Sunflower character in Fantasia is edited out. And, of course, Song of the South is not on Disney+.

You have selective reading or something.

You originally claimed that they added a disclaimer recently because of Turkey in the Straw. I said it was there from the beginning, and is on all of the cartoons. I didn’t say anything about Fantasia or SotS.

 

[Phil12]

You have selective reading or something.

You originally claimed that they added a disclaimer recently because of Turkey in the Straw. I said it was there from the beginning, and is on all of the cartoons. I didn’t say anything about Fantasia or SotS.

You're mistaken. To wit:

"As for the other racist and insensitive elements of Disney cartoons (such as Steamboat Willie) they're getting a disclaimer added to them on Disney+ that says, “This program is presented as originally created. It may contain outdated cultural depictions.”"

 

[Brer Oswald]

You're mistaken. To wit:

"As for the other racist and insensitive elements of Disney cartoons (such as Steamboat Willie) they're getting a disclaimer added to them on Disney+ that says, “This program is presented as originally created. It may contain outdated cultural depictions.”"

“They’re getting a disclaimer added to them”. As in, they are adding a disclaimer now due to the current movement. Which isn’t the case. They’ve been their since November. Heck, they’ve had disclaimers since 2001 when they were originally rereleased on DVD.

 

[Phil12]

“They’re getting a disclaimer added to them”. As in, they are adding a disclaimer now due to the current movement. Which isn’t the case. They’ve been their since November. Heck, they’ve had disclaimers since 2001 when they were originally rereleased on DVD.

That's even better! Disney was smart enough years ago to recognize the racist rants in their cartoons and movies and put a disclaimer on them. Good for them!

Disney Plus adds disclaimer about racist movie stereotypes

Disney’s new streaming service adds disclaimer to "Dumbo," “Peter Pan” and other classics over racist stereotypes

abcnews.go.com

 

[Brer Panther]

You know what I just thought of?

I believe @Brer Oswald has pointed out that Bob Iger hates Song of the South, and that's likely the reason why Disney is retheming the ride (regardless as to whether or not they were pressured into it by people on Twitter) in the first place.

What if Michael Eisner were still CEO? Would he have agreed to retheme it as well, or told the complainers to go pound sand?

 

[aw14]

No. There's plenty of other proof:

"On another note, The New Republic article’s claim that “Turkey in the Straw” is not a racist song (because it lacks racist lyrics) is questionable. It was a popular black-faced minstrel show song and one of the most popular sheet music covers for the song is dominated by an image of a caricatured black man. "

https://bfy.tw/OqIR


No again. I did not forget that part of the article. If the ice cram truck industry wants to insult black people by playing historically racist tunes, they may do so at their own business peril. TWDC was smart enough to take steps to mitigate their racist rants. The re-theme of Splash Mountain is one example. Their inclusion of disclaimers on insensitive cartoons and movies is another example.

Someone had mentioned earlier that Splash Mountain in Tokyo Disneyland is not going to be re-themed. And that makes perfect sense since Japan does not share the same history as the United States.

You’re glossing over this. You’re own article contradicts your point. You can see and scream racism from wherever you wish. Doesn’t make it so.

 

[Brer Oswald]

You know what I just thought of?

I believe @Brer Oswald has pointed out that Bob Iger hates Song of the South, and that's likely the reason why Disney is retheming the ride (regardless as to whether or not they were pressured into it by people on Twitter) in the first place.

What if Michael Eisner were still CEO? Would he have agreed to retheme it as well, or told the complainers to go pound sand?

I’m not sure.

A huge motivator for Iger’s Park decisions are to prop up his legacy. SotS’s “datedness” opens up an opportunity to trash the Old Disney and praise the new Disney he created. The replacement is an IP created under his reign.

Is it the primary factor? Probably not. But it is a contributing factor. You see it with the majority of additions to the parks. Even the super popular Renaissance films don’t get this type of love and attention.

 

[Phil12]

You’re glossing over this. You’re own article contradicts your point. You can see and scream racism from wherever you wish. Doesn’t make it so.

No. It does not contradict my point. It supports the fact that Turkey in the Straw had been used by white performers in black-faced minstrel shows to degrade black people with cruel stereotypes. Abolitionist Frederick Douglass decried blackface performers as “the filthy scum of white society, who have stolen from us a complexion denied to them by nature, in which to make money, and pander to the corrupt taste of their white fellow citizens.”

The historical documentation and evidence is abundant. Turkey in the Straw was a direct adaptation of another racist song. The lyrics of Turkey in the Straw were written by Daniel Webster O'Brien who was a minstrel performer in 1861:

Old Zip Coon/Turkey in the Straw - 2018 - Question of the Month - Jim Crow Museum

www.ferris.edu