Splash Mountain re-theme announced

[Phil12]

“They’re getting a disclaimer added to them”. As in, they are adding a disclaimer now due to the current movement. Which isn’t the case. They’ve been their since November. Heck, they’ve had disclaimers since 2001 when they were originally rereleased on DVD.

That's even better! Disney was smart enough years ago to recognize the racist rants in their cartoons and movies and put a disclaimer on them. Good for them!

Disney Plus adds disclaimer about racist movie stereotypes

Disney’s new streaming service adds disclaimer to "Dumbo," “Peter Pan” and other classics over racist stereotypes

abcnews.go.com

 

[Brer Panther]

You know what I just thought of?

I believe @Brer Oswald has pointed out that Bob Iger hates Song of the South, and that's likely the reason why Disney is retheming the ride (regardless as to whether or not they were pressured into it by people on Twitter) in the first place.

What if Michael Eisner were still CEO? Would he have agreed to retheme it as well, or told the complainers to go pound sand?

 

[aw14]

No. There's plenty of other proof:

"On another note, The New Republic article’s claim that “Turkey in the Straw” is not a racist song (because it lacks racist lyrics) is questionable. It was a popular black-faced minstrel show song and one of the most popular sheet music covers for the song is dominated by an image of a caricatured black man. "

https://bfy.tw/OqIR


No again. I did not forget that part of the article. If the ice cram truck industry wants to insult black people by playing historically racist tunes, they may do so at their own business peril. TWDC was smart enough to take steps to mitigate their racist rants. The re-theme of Splash Mountain is one example. Their inclusion of disclaimers on insensitive cartoons and movies is another example.

Someone had mentioned earlier that Splash Mountain in Tokyo Disneyland is not going to be re-themed. And that makes perfect sense since Japan does not share the same history as the United States.

You’re glossing over this. You’re own article contradicts your point. You can see and scream racism from wherever you wish. Doesn’t make it so.

 

[Brer Oswald]

You know what I just thought of?

I believe @Brer Oswald has pointed out that Bob Iger hates Song of the South, and that's likely the reason why Disney is retheming the ride (regardless as to whether or not they were pressured into it by people on Twitter) in the first place.

What if Michael Eisner were still CEO? Would he have agreed to retheme it as well, or told the complainers to go pound sand?

I’m not sure.

A huge motivator for Iger’s Park decisions are to prop up his legacy. SotS’s “datedness” opens up an opportunity to trash the Old Disney and praise the new Disney he created. The replacement is an IP created under his reign.

Is it the primary factor? Probably not. But it is a contributing factor. You see it with the majority of additions to the parks. Even the super popular Renaissance films don’t get this type of love and attention.

 

[Phil12]

You’re glossing over this. You’re own article contradicts your point. You can see and scream racism from wherever you wish. Doesn’t make it so.

No. It does not contradict my point. It supports the fact that Turkey in the Straw had been used by white performers in black-faced minstrel shows to degrade black people with cruel stereotypes. Abolitionist Frederick Douglass decried blackface performers as “the filthy scum of white society, who have stolen from us a complexion denied to them by nature, in which to make money, and pander to the corrupt taste of their white fellow citizens.”

The historical documentation and evidence is abundant. Turkey in the Straw was a direct adaptation of another racist song. The lyrics of Turkey in the Straw were written by Daniel Webster O'Brien who was a minstrel performer in 1861:

Old Zip Coon/Turkey in the Straw - 2018 - Question of the Month - Jim Crow Museum

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

No. It does not contradict my point. It supports the fact that Turkey in the Straw had been used by white performers in black-faced minstrel shows to degrade black people with cruel stereotypes. Abolitionist Frederick Douglass decried blackface performers as “the filthy scum of white society, who have stolen from us a complexion denied to them by nature, in which to make money, and pander to the corrupt taste of their white fellow citizens.”

The historical documentation and evidence is abundant. Turkey in the Straw was a direct adaptation of another racist song. The lyrics of Turkey in the Straw were written by Daniel Webster O'Brien who was a minstrel performer in 1861:

Old Zip Coon/Turkey in the Straw - 2018 - Question of the Month - Jim Crow Museum

lol I like how you went from an article from 2014 to 2018 to prove your point after your last article got called out lol

 

[Phil12]

lol I like how you went from an article from 2014 to 2018 to prove your point after your last article got called out lol

Both support the facts of the matter. And being "called out" by someone who denies historical facts is really just a matter of helping to educate them by bringing those facts to their attention. Perhaps it will encourage them to learn more about the subject.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

Both support the facts of the matter. And being "called out" by someone who denies historical facts is really just a matter of helping to educate them by bringing those facts to their attention. Perhaps it will encourage them to learn more about the subject.

No they don't the first one directly contradicted your ice cream truck example.

 

[aw14]

Both support the facts of the matter. And being "called out" by someone who denies historical facts is really just a matter of helping to educate them by bringing those facts to their attention. Perhaps it will encourage them to learn more about the subject.

Except the part of your article I quote that directly contradicts “your point”.

Any more articles you decide to post and not read?

 

[Phil12]

Except the part of your article I quote that directly contradicts “your point”.

Any more articles you decide to post and not read?

It's not important that you have chosen to ignore historical fact and contemporary consensus of the matter. The important thing is that TWDC recognizes the problem and has taken decisive steps to mitigate the issues. And that will be good for the continued success of the company. We will lose Splash Mountain but I feel confident that the new attraction will be very entertaining without all of the racist baggage inherent in the old Song of the South version.

I think TWDC could have done a better job in creating the disclaimer they're using on the old movies and cartoons that contain racist elements. Warner Brothers has taken a more direct approach and I wish Disney had done the same.

But even though the disclaimer from Disney is somewhat flawed, it's certainly better than continuing to ignore the problem (as some people prefer to do) and at least we can continue to still view all but the most egregious negative racial stereotypes created by Walt Disney.

 

[aw14]

It's not important that you have chosen to ignore historical fact and contemporary consensus of the matter. The important thing is that TWDC recognizes the problem and has taken decisive steps to mitigate the issues. And that will be good for the continued success of the company. We will lose Splash Mountain but I feel confident that the new attraction will be very entertaining without all of the racist baggage inherent in the old Song of the South version.

I think TWDC could have done a better job in creating the disclaimer they're using on the old movies and cartoons that contain racist elements. Warner Brothers has taken a more direct approach and I wish Disney had done the same.

But even though the disclaimer from Disney is somewhat flawed, it's certainly better than continuing to ignore the problem (as some people prefer to do) and at least we can continue to still view all but the most egregious negative racial stereotypes created by Walt Disney.

Historical fact and contemporary consensus? So now you’re moving the goalposts again? You posted an article which contradicts your point, next time proofread better.

 

[Phil12]

Historical fact and contemporary consensus? So now you’re moving the goalposts again? You posted an article which contradicts your point, next time proofread better.

Negative. It substantiated the point to wit: "And here's another irrefutable fact: For nearly as long as the melody has been on the American shores, it has been used to denigrate and make fun of black people. Its use as the soundtrack for the blackface minstrel show era is not some trivial aside."

And no one is moving goalposts. As I've said consistently, racism was wrong both then and now. Things that are bad are sometimes popular too.

 

[aw14]

Negative. It substantiated the point to wit: "And here's another irrefutable fact: For nearly as long as the melody has been on the American shores, it has been used to denigrate and make fun of black people. Its use as the soundtrack for the blackface minstrel show era is not some trivial aside."

And no one is moving goalposts. As I've said consistently, racism was wrong both then and now. Things that are bad are sometimes popular too.

And again, the expert you quoted in the article they wrote goes against what you say. Maybe find a different article of support?

 

[Chi84]

Maybe Disney is using this debate as an opportunity to get rid of an outdated theme with creepy, unappealing characters and replace it with an updated storyline and fresher characters more relevant to current and future guests. I'm well aware that most of the people who monitor and post on these Disney sites are pretty conservative when it comes to any change, and that Splash has a fan base for reasons inexplicable to me (so please don't try).

Disney has always seemed to me to be somewhat forward thinking or progressive when it comes to social issues, so I don't think it sees any downside to a re-theme. I doubt most people delve all that deeply into Disney's motives or care one way or the other about whether or why it re-themes a ride as long as the final product is a good one, and Disney usually provides a quality experience.

 

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@Phil12 out here doing the Lord’s work.

 

[seabreezept813]

Maybe Disney is using this debate as an opportunity to get rid of an outdated theme with creepy, unappealing characters and replace it with an updated storyline and fresher characters more relevant to current and future guests. I'm well aware that most of the people who monitor and post on these Disney sites are pretty conservative when it comes to any change, and that Splash has a fan base for reasons inexplicable to me (so please don't try).

Disney has always seemed to me to be somewhat forward thinking or progressive when it comes to social issues, so I don't think it sees any downside to a re-theme. I doubt most people delve all that deeply into Disney's motives or care one way or the other about whether or why it re-themes a ride as long as the final product is a good one, and Disney usually provides a quality experience.

A cute bunny and woodland creatures being creepy... I think you lose all merit here. It’s just not a good criticism

 

[Chi84]

A cute bunny and woodland creatures being creepy... I think you lose all merit here. It’s just not a good criticism

Really?! Do you like clowns and mimes too? I guess it's very subjective. I've seen cute bunnies and woodland creatures, just not the representations of them in Splash Mountain. I didn't mean to suggest that all bunnies and woodland creatures are creepy-looking.

Even if some people find them cute, they really are kind of old and outdated. At least in my opinion - I know there are many who disagree.

 

[Sharon&Susan]

Really?! Do you like clowns and mimes too? I guess it's very subjective. I've seen cute bunnies and woodland creatures, just not the representations of them in Splash Mountain. I didn't mean to suggest that all bunnies and woodland creatures are creepy-looking.

Even if some people find them cute, they really are kind of old and outdated. At least in my opinion - I know there are many who disagree.

If they do Tiana the same way that they did Elsa in Frozen Ever After it'll be much creepier than anything in Splash Mountain.

 

[Brer Panther]

I think Dr. Facilier's "Friends on the Other Side" are far creepier than the Brers. I know they're SUPPOSED to be creepy, but still...

 

[seabreezept813]

Really?! Do you like clowns and mimes too? I guess it's very subjective. I've seen cute bunnies and woodland creatures, just not the representations of them in Splash Mountain. I didn't mean to suggest that all bunnies and woodland creatures are creepy-looking.

Even if some people find them cute, they really are kind of old and outdated. At least in my opinion - I know there are many who disagree.

The animation style is similar to most other classic Disney films.. Robin Hood, Snow White, etc. I just can’t see calling those critters creepy and liking the type of product Disney has always offered.