Splash Mountain re-theme announced

[LittleBuford]

I mean, as soon as you know where the author edits (or co edits), the credibility is shot. Why waste time?

I do love reading people who have credibility though. Sometimes their opinions can be thought provoking.

I looked into the author and found this doozy:

"But conservative Christians can’t afford these luxuries. Progressives understand that culture war means discrediting their opponents and weakening or destroying their institutions. Conservatives should approach the culture war with a similar realism. Civility and decency are secondary values. They regulate compliance with an established order and orthodoxy. We should seek to use these values to enforce our order and our orthodoxy, not pretend that they could ever be neutral. To recognize that enmity is real is its own kind of moral duty."

Against David French-ism - First Things

In March, First Things published a manifesto of sorts signed by several mostly youngish, mostly Roman Catholic writers, who argued that “there is no returning to the pre-Trump conservative consensus that collapsed in...

www.firstthings.com

 

[LittleBuford]

I’m not agreeing though. There was a petition for it. I don’t believe the petition was the sole reason, I think a big part of it was that they wanted to put on a show, to take advantage of a due-to-climate positive press regarding the change.

While I wouldn't frame it so cynically, we are saying much the same thing. Others are claiming that Disney's hand was forced, but I don't believe it was (and it seems you don't believe it either).

 

[Chi84]

Do you feel that it’s a bit disingenuous given that so much of the attractions are linked to stories that contain offensive story lines? That’s why I have so much skepticism over Disney here.

My main concerns (over the change itself) are -
“Ugh, a princess in Frontierland” “Will Tom Sawyer survive?” and “Will Zip ah Dee Doo da go away?”
The latter two can’t be answered right now.

Honestly, I don’t. It’s not necessary to fix everything that could possibly be viewed as objectionable in order to make one thing better. I think Splash stands out because of its association with a movie that some view as racist. I’ve never seen the movie, so I won’t comment on it. But even Disney must agree with that sentiment to some extent because I understand they have distanced themselves from the movie and had already been planning to re-do Splash.

I don’t get emotionally attached to Disney attractions although there are some I would miss. I’m not worried, though, because it’s unlikely Disney is going to start a wholesale dismantling of its attractions. Splash was already on the block. As for Tom Sawyer, he can go and take Zip ah Dee Doo da with him. Just my preference - has nothing to do with being offended.

 

[kong1802]

I looked into the author and found this doozy:

"But conservative Christians can’t afford these luxuries. Progressives understand that culture war means discrediting their opponents and weakening or destroying their institutions. Conservatives should approach the culture war with a similar realism. Civility and decency are secondary values. They regulate compliance with an established order and orthodoxy. We should seek to use these values to enforce our order and our orthodoxy, not pretend that they could ever be neutral. To recognize that enmity is real is its own kind of moral duty."

Against David French-ism - First Things

In March, First Things published a manifesto of sorts signed by several mostly youngish, mostly Roman Catholic writers, who argued that “there is no returning to the pre-Trump conservative consensus that collapsed in...

www.firstthings.com

I hate being right sometimes...

 

[21stamps]

While I wouldn't frame it so cynically, we are saying much the same thing. Others are claiming that Disney's hand was forced, but I don't believe it was (and it seems you don't believe it either).

Yes, I don’t believe they were forced.

Honestly, I don’t. It’s not necessary to fix everything that could possibly be viewed as objectionable in order to make one thing better. I think Splash stands out because of its association with a movie that some view as racist. I’ve never seen the movie, so I won’t comment on it. But even Disney must agree with that sentiment to some extent because I understand they have distanced themselves from the movie and had already been planning to re-do Splash.

I don’t get emotionally attached to Disney attractions although there are some I would miss. I’m not worried, though, because it’s unlikely Disney is going to start a wholesale dismantling of its attractions. Splash was already on the block. As for Tom Sawyer, he can go and take Zip ah Dee Doo da with him. Just my preference - has nothing to do with being offended.

I think my thoughts are not even specifically to Splash, just that I don’t want princesses everywhere. I had a much greater love for Tom Sawyer rather than Cinderella growing up.. I love the simplicity and ‘make your own attraction’ of TSI, probably why I love the Treehouse too. I think the younger generations still need those attractions, and I think our nostalgia needs it too.

With the song itself, I feel it’s the summation of the magic of Disney. I hear it, and I think of singing it during my childhood with my siblings and parents at WDW, and home (I think I had a record with the song, I’m that old).. and I think of being at Disney as an adult with friends and/or husband singing it, and I think of being at Disney with my own child singing it. Those memories and connections are quintessential Disney, imo. Without the WDW generational/full circle experiences, then some of the magic is lost.

 

[Chi84]

Yes, I don’t believe they were forced.



I think my thoughts are not even specifically to Splash, just that I don’t want princesses everywhere. I had a much greater love for Tom Sawyer rather than Cinderella growing up.. I love the simplicity and ‘make your own attraction’ of TSI, probably why I love the Treehouse too. I think the younger generations still need those attractions, and I think our nostalgia needs it too.

With the song itself, I feel it’s the summation of the magic of Disney. I hear it, and I think of singing it during my childhood with my siblings and parents at WDW, and home.. and I think of being at Disney as an adult with friends and/or husband singing it, and I think of being at Disney with my own child singing it. Those memories and connections are quintessential Disney, imo. Without the WDW generational/full circle experiences, then some of the magic is lost.

Well we agree about the princesses. Unfortunately, I don’t think all the petitions in the world are going to have any impact on that score. Disney loves its princesses. I thought Moana was a good compromise.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I don’t research an author before reading something., some people have better time for searches.. I just read something, see if there’s anything that strikes out at me or not.
As I said, I’m not someone who only reads something that either I know I will agree with, or has to be written by someone I think I’ll agree with.

There’s a lot of people who I may disagree with, fervently, on many things, but once in a while they’ll say something I do agree with. That’s just me, and I plan on staying that way.

Insinuating that people being choosy about the quality of the sources they read indicates that they only read what they agree with is making a pretty big assumption.

 

[21stamps]

Insinuating that people being choosy about the quality of the sources they read indicates that they only read what they agree with is making a pretty big assumption.

It was an opinion, one I found interesting and shared. Opinion, not breaking news. Op-Ed. Don’t know how many times I can say that. This is getting silly though, so that’s my last response to you.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

It was an opinion, one I found interesting and shared. Opinion, not breaking news. Op-Ed. Don’t know how many times I can say that. This is getting silly though, so that’s my last response to you.

So are the thinly veiled insults.

 

[LittleBuford]

I don’t research an author before reading something.

If not before, I look into it afterwards, just to get a better sense of where the author is coming from ideologically.

 

[21stamps]

Well we agree about the princesses. Unfortunately, I don’t think all the petitions in the world are going to have any impact on that score. Disney loves its princesses. I thought Moana was a good compromise.

I put Moana in a different category from the rest, so I would have been ok with her too.. I think they could have made a great water ride with that theme.

 

[LittleBuford]

I think it’s usually easy to spot where someone is coming from ideologically in an opinion piece.

Not really. I couldn’t have deduced that the author is a hypocrite without looking into him more.

 

[kong1802]

I envy your search engine time and skills.. you are definitely much better at it than I am.

Pro tip:

As soon as you see “Co editor” followed by: Ny Post, Breitbart, or OAN, no search is needed to know that the author is not going to be worth reading.....

Now if you don’t see those, give it a go! No search skills needed.....

Tried to save everyone some time....

And still trying.

 

[Donaldfan1934]

I guess it depends on who you define as "more people." If you limit it to the people signing petitions, then it would seem that Disney chose to side with the smaller group demanding a change. Maybe they were considering a broader audience and not limiting their decision to petitions. Or maybe they thought the smaller number of people had a more valid point than the larger number of people.

Whatever the internal influences leading to Disney’s decision may have been, the fact that more people were actively against the idea than actively in favor of it is naturally going to put Disney’s reasoning into question for some people.

 

[kong1802]

Again, I don’t read that way. I’ll read something from Michael Moore, Al Sharpton, Sean Hannity, or a complete unknown if the article looks appealing, then I read, and judge for myself. Crazy how that works.. no manual.

And I’ll read most of those too, as none of them work for the list I shared above.....

See?

 

[kong1802]

You skipped words again...

Anyway, I appreciate you and Pixie bombarding my posts and going completely off topic in pretty much most of the threads I post in.. but maybe we could get back to something related to this thread?

Exactly what I posted earlier...

So, when do people think this change even begins to take shape?

My guess, January 2022...opens by fall 2022. Changes minds by summer of 2023....

 

[Phil12]

Interpretation is correct... you are interpreting the counter petition as an alt-right call to action... when others interpret the change as an over-reaction by the corporation to appease a very small group that would've moved onto their next target if Disney execs kept mum.

TWDC doesn't care a bit about this group of people. They care about their corporate interests. Supporting white supremacy is not in their best interests.

 

[21stamps]

I went back and deleted my posts in the interaction with people who were more concerned with a weird bombardment on me, than about the topic of this thread. It’s cleaned up a bit now.

 

[Phil12]

Phil has been deleted a number of times earlier in this discussion while it was under news and rumors. He's got a free pass here to get as political as he desires... excluding hate speech. Just ignore @Phil12

And I was so desirous of your approval.

 

[aw14]

TWDC doesn't care a bit about this group of people. They care about their corporate interests. Supporting white supremacy is not in their best interests.