Matt_Black
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Just like how you picked and chose which comments in the thread to selectively ignore (oh, I'm sorry, the thread moved too fast for you to keep up.)
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Just like how you picked and chose which comments in the thread to selectively ignore (oh, I'm sorry, the thread moved too fast for you to keep up.)
ImperfectPixie
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Because you're using tactics that make having a real discussion with you impossible.
Matt_Black
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It's literally there in the ride. Rabbit runs away from home to find adventure, Fox tries to catch Rabbit to eat him instead of getting a job so that he has money to buy dinner, and Br'er Bear goes "duhhh..." in practically every other line of dialogue.
ImperfectPixie
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What's that have to do with race? NOTHING.
At this point, I hope Disney changes all of them including Hall of Presidents, It's a Small World, etc. and they are fundamentally changed, not just window dressing. The idiots that make these decisions should be run out of Disney Corporate.
Flugell
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Yes like Welsh being forbidden from being spoken or taught in Welsh Schools Until the 1930s in many areas and the 1940s in some. Anyone heard speaking Welsh was given the Welsh knot and the cane. Not as bad but still unforgivable and within my parents life times.
Matt_Black
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So, if I'm understanding the rules correctly, I'm supposed to explain how Splash Mountain draws on pre-existing prejudices and stereotypes, but I'm also supposed to divorce Splash Mountain from any pre-existing social context while doing so? Is that right? Splash Mountain didn't just emerge from Tony Baxter's head fully formed like Athena springing forth from Zeus.
ImperfectPixie
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The problematic parts of SotS aren't the animated characters.
LittleBuford
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Exactly. I don’t even know what it is I’m being accused of sidestepping. It’s my fault, really—I should know better by now.
Yes, we are aware of the characters and their flaws, we went over that. That does not make them mocking a race when they are anthropormorphic animals. That makes it a fable. That would be like saying Scooby Doo is mocking English Americans or if you retell an Aesop Fable you are mocking the greek. You have only provided conjecture that it is racial stereotyping.
Not that it proves racism, but what dialogue in the ride tells you that Brer Fox does not want to ge ta job and hunts for Brer Rabbit so he does not have to get a job because he can sell him?
Matt_Black
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He doesn't want to sell him, he wants to EAT him. He literally hangs Br'er Rabbit over a cartoonishly large cooking pot.
ImperfectPixie
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Still...nothing racist.
Matt_Black
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Uh-huh. And the house elves and goblins in Harry Potter are pure fantasy constructs, and don't have any unfortunate implications about any groups in the real world.
Did you even read what you wrote then? You said Fox tries to catch Rabbit to eat him instead of getting a job to pay for dinner. This tells me you must be a troll. What a crazy thing to write. What the heck? In your world these animals would have jobs or careers when no evidence of that is provided in the storyline? What are you smoking?
The fact that your one post said an anthropomorphic fox is a negative racially black stereotype and even though he is a fox would naturally infer he is hungry and want to catch and eat a rabbit, he should have a job instead? You are the most racism charged person I have ever read with injections of thought like that. Your evidence of Ber Fox being a racial stereotype is because he won't get a job.
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BromBones
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Next will they take the Native American scene out of Peter Pan?
Will they re-edit the movie Peter Pan to remove the same scene?
Will they re-edit Dumbo movie to remove the Jim Crow scene?
Will they eliminate the reference to the Civil War in Hall of Presidents?
Will they take every slave owning president out of the Hall of Presidents (Washington, Jefferson, etc.)?
There were a large number of presidents who owned slaves.
Will they eliminate Andrew Jackson? Will they eliminate Woodrow Wilson who was a very racist president?
If everything is offensive then everything should change right?
Will they re-edit the movie Peter Pan to remove the same scene?
Will they re-edit Dumbo movie to remove the Jim Crow scene?
Will they eliminate the reference to the Civil War in Hall of Presidents?
Will they take every slave owning president out of the Hall of Presidents (Washington, Jefferson, etc.)?
There were a large number of presidents who owned slaves.
Will they eliminate Andrew Jackson? Will they eliminate Woodrow Wilson who was a very racist president?
If everything is offensive then everything should change right?
21stamps
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What have I ignored, seriously?
I didn’t realize that a question mark at the end of a sentence is a confusing thing. Oh well. Another successful avoidance...
Matt_Black
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If there is no economy in Splash Mountain, then who makes all the clothes then? When you anthropomorphize animals and stick in pants and give them tools, then yes, these are logical (if admittedly very nerdy and pedantic) lines of questioning to follow.
That is not how storytelling works. You lost your arugment long ago...again. But if you wanted to go that route, why does Louis not have a job? Or Ray or the cast in Mama Odie's house? They are anthropomorphic, so textiles are the deciding factor of jobs needed? What a weird road. You sidestepped again. You provide zero evidence other than you notice the Fox in Splash Mountain does not have a job. Hilarious.
I am honestly shocked that you jumped to a characturized animal character not having a job. That is the single most racist thing I have seen anyone project out of this whacky 226 pages.
ImperfectPixie
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No. Identifying the moment at which you decided to stop having a rational discussion and to start playing games.
BromBones
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Remember, You have to read 226 pages of comments before you make any comment because those with no lives spend all their time on this site doing the very same thing.
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