Splash Mountain re-theme announced

[Bairstow]

She still reports to a whole host of white men from whom she must seek approval. Disney also more prominently publicized that the white man who was inspired by the racist movie is involved.

So you're unhappy with Carter getting the project? Assuming they're going forward with the overlay, who should they have put in charge?

 

[21stamps]

Better purchase the WDW CD or Disney Classics sets now because that song is going the way of tHe Do Do.

I think so too, which is extraordinarily sad imo.

 

[disneygeek90]

Interestingly, in Journey of the Little Mermaid, they forgot about the ceiling during the "Under the Sea" song portion of the ride. You look up at all the fun dancing, singing fish and other sea creatures and see the ugly black ceiling with support beams, lights, wires, etc. I often wonder why they didn't do something better to hide that kind of stuff to create a more seamless illusion.

Oh no, I agree. Little mermaid is rough sets and designs. Rise of the Resistance, however, is a masterpiece.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Not just that, but bringing in Baxter should be unconscionable.


She still reports to a whole host of white men from whom she must seek approval. Disney also more prominently publicized that the white man who was inspired by the racist movie is involved.

"Here is our one black lady designing a ride about our one black princess. Diversity!"

- Bob, her white male boss

 

[Animaniac93-98]

So you're unhappy with Carter getting the project? Assuming they're going forward with the overlay, who should they have put in charge?

I think it's less about her being involved, than the company parading her around as an example of how multicultural they are, despite who ultimately calls the shots at WDI/TWDC.

 

[OrlandoRising]

I have not seen you report any posts - please do so. It is a very difficult task moderating this type of thread. You can find the report link beneath each post.

Funny how you managed to remove my post complaining about what was staying up...yet you leave up posts that I did report accusing others of being “Marxists” and what not.

Again, seems you are actively moderating, but only to favor one side of this debate. I expected more from WDWMagic.

 

[JohnD]

The moral of Song of the South is "You can't run away from your problems. There 'aint no place that far."

It's a lesson Disney has yet to learn.

The problem is you’re referencing a problematic movie, we’re told. It might as well be Mein Kampf. Any reference to that movie, however indirectly is now verboten.

 

[haveyoumetmark]

"Here is our one black lady designing a ride about our one black princess. Diversity!"

- Bob, her white male boss

It’s a start and a step in the right direction. Greater societal and systemic change doesn’t take place overnight. This moment was decades in the making, and Disney met it appropriately.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

In light of the news of Splash Mountain getting re-themed to Princess and the Frog. This person from Twitter made an interesting post on modern Disney Ride design from then and now.

She used to work in Disneyland. She's an amateur park historian (like 25% of this message board). She's an expert.

 

[peter11435]

Lol enjoy Frozen

No, I’ll stick to Rise of the Resistance, flight of passage, runaway railway, pirates of the Caribbean, radiator springs racers etc.....

 

[21stamps]

The problem is you’re referencing a problematic movie, we’re told. It might as well be Mein Kampf. Any reference to that movie, however indirectly is now verboten.

The sadly hilarious part, is that Harper Lee and Mark Twain have had more outrage directed at them for their books, over Hitler himself.

How often do you hear outrage over Mein Kampf in the USA?

 

[Animaniac93-98]

This moment was decades in the making, and Disney met it appropriately.

It took decades to build a Disney ride with a black protagonist, and it's not even a new ride.

That's not a great achievement.

 

[Bairstow]

I think it's less about her being involved, than the company parading her around as an example of how multicultural they are, despite who ultimately calls the shots at WDI/TWDC.

So when the company said they were making her project lead they were lying?

 

[Kate F]

Since PatF's representation is so important, why didn't they make something for Tiana a decade ago when the film was released?

 

[Bairstow]

The problem is you’re referencing a problematic movie, we’re told. It might as well be Mein Kampf. Any reference to that movie, however indirectly is now verboten.

When did they say that?
Have they announced that they're no longer going to use "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah"?

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they still sell some Brer Rabbit plus in the post-Frog gift shop.

 

[JohnD]

The sadly hilarious part, is that Harper Lee and Mark Twain have had more outrage directed at them for their books, over Hitler himself.

How often do you hear outrage over Mein Kampf in the USA?

Yep. Huck Finn turns societal norms on its head by highlighting the friendship of Huck and Jim. But there are movements to ban it because — well everyone knows why.

 

[haveyoumetmark]

It took decades to build a Disney ride with a black protagonist, and it's not even a new ride.

That's not a great achievement.

I literally said it was a -step- in the right direction.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

So when the company said they were making her project lead they were lying?

She may be the project lead, but she does not have 100% control of the project or its budget.

Like any lead, she will work with what she's given.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

Exactly, the princesses are problematic too. To stand here and cast stones at anyone who is not on board with this change....and then magically act like Song of the South and Splash Mountain are the only problems Disney has is pretty ignorant frankly.

I daresay, I think the decision is rushed. I'm sure Disney doesn't want people protesting at the park entrance, and that could very well happen if they don't do something significant in the very near future. They need to address this topic, I'm just not sure this is the best we can do.

I like the suggestion of finding an acceptable way to improve the attraction. Maybe fantasy on my part, but the very best solution would be if WDW could find a way to validate both those who want change, and those who like the ride as it has been.

Compromise is hard though.

 

[21stamps]

When did they say that?
Have they announced that they're no longer going to use "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah"?

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if they still sell some Brer Rabbit plus in the post-Frog gift shop.

According to the internet, the song has racist roots.. though no one told Berry Gordy or Disney about that.