Splash Mountain re-theme announced

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_caleb

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My man, look it’s clear to me that you are knowledgeable and so when I reply to you I’m speaking to you one on one with the confidence that you would understand. If you feel offended by whatever it is that you thought I implied then I apologize.

- The term mainstream media is not solely used by political conservatives. I for one tend to lean in the middle so your wrong about that.
I didn’t say you were politically conservative, just that you use the term “mainstream media” in the way many of them do. And that’s different from how I’ve used/understood it.
- The mainstream media uses footage of Splash Mountain among other attractions while reporting not so nice things about Disney. I am telling you this because I have seen it as far back as I was in the 6th grade. Am I liar for this because you haven’t seen this firsthand yourself?
I did not say you were a liar. Only that I haven’t seen this.
- I said the mainstream media has used footage of Splash Mountain for years and up to recently reported about the offensive problems of it today. If they agree with it being offensive, surely they knew it was offensive back then and yet they still decided to insert some Splash Mountain action each time they addressed something Disney related for all of these years? Again, I’m speaking from my experience watching their news reports.
Because I haven’t seen these negative reports that using footage of Splash Mountain, I’m not sure. But I also don’t share your understanding of how journalism works, so I don’t see how “the mainstream media” agrees that the ride is offensive. Reports that some people do? Sure. But that they agree with that assessment? That’s not news, that’s commentary.
- No. I said Twitter has an outstanding influence. The kind of influence that can spark change. That is why I know Twitter is the dominant platform compared to the others. The mainstream media does play a huge part of what gets talked about on social media because they’re constantly reporting on there. Most of what they report if not all, triggers people. Depending on what side you’re on, doesn’t matter, people are going to feel some type of way towards it. That is why Twitter is mean and nasty.
”Outsized” means “bigger than its size might indicate.“ Seems like that’s what you’re saying? Also, I’m not sure how this is different than any other social media, where people post reactions to news, rumors, etc.
I ask again do you have Twitter? I’d love to follow you!
I run multiple social media accounts for work. I’m not active on a personal account.

Again, this whole thing started because you (and @Brer Panther, as usual) claimed that Disney is changing Splash Mountain because they’re afraid of a “woke Twitter mob.” I was hoping to understand how you came to that conclusion. I think I have my answer in your thoughts about the “mainstream media.”
 

champdisney

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Again, this whole thing started because you (and @Brer Panther, as usual) claimed that Disney is changing Splash Mountain because they’re afraid of a “woke Twitter mob.” I was hoping to understand how you came to that conclusion. I think I have my answer in your thoughts about the “mainstream media.”
I never referred to the term of ”woke Twitter mob” when regarding the situation. What I did say is how Twitter plays a huge part in the decision making process behind the retheme of Splash Mountain.
 

Californian Elitist

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To the other employees in Lucasfilm that also showcased awful conduct on social media? Don’t tell me you are that quick to forget a conversation you were engaging with me for a bit. If not, you could have looked back at our previous interactions in this thread to refreshen your memory. Or and I hate to assume this... you are just playing the “I don’t know” card because you are okay with people in the entertainment industry making fun of the people their suppose to be making content for.

As for Gina Carano. I find it comical that you are good enough to judge someone based on what they tweet. I don’t recall you being this vocal about James Gunn and his problematic tweets that initially got him fired from TWDC. It’s interesting how certain people pick and choose what is offensive and what is not.
The thing is, I said they deserved to be fired, hence the confusion. I asked you to clarify who “they” are. You did, and I said if they were also tweeting problematic things after Disney told them to stop, then they deserved to be let go. So I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

I don’t remember engaging with you in discussion at all prior to last night, to be honest. I also don’t remember talking about Gunn and his tweets either, but even if I didn’t, are you suggesting that I’m okay with them? Does someone have to always express their views either verbally or in written form if they disagree? I don’t talk about a lot of things or people I don’t agree with. That doesn’t mean I actually do agree, it just means I sometimes keep my thoughts to myself.

Everyone picks and chooses what is offensive or not. I don’t dislike Carano, nor do I like her. I had never heard of her prior to her first being called out for her tweets. I’m also not offended by her tweets. I found them bizzarre and distasteful, yes. I don’t want to spend any extra time I have getting to know her because I don’t care to. I could flip this and encourage people who are so incredibly upset about Splash’s change to go and educate themselves on Joel Chandler Harris’ racist Uncle Remus stories, how some of that racism transferred to Disney’s Song of the South, connect that with the historically poor racial relationship between African Americans and American society, as well as the experiences of African Americans in this country, and try to see the change from a different view. Many of you don’t and won’t care to do something like that though and will continue to mention “the woke mob,” Twitter, “SJWs,” “the left,” and so on.

It works both ways.
 

Californian Elitist

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See: This forum complaining about The Parks, and then continuing to go to said Parks.
Exactly. We all do it because human beings love complaining about something, even if they enjoy it. It’s like when people pretend to be disgusted by McDonald’s, but will head into a drive-thru for a Big Mac and a McChicken after a long night out.
 

champdisney

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The thing is, I said they deserved to be fired, hence the confusion. I asked you to clarify who “they” are. You did, and I said if they were also tweeting problematic things after Disney told them to stop, then they deserved to be let go. So I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
I’m not even sure anymore as my post you’re referring to has been edited by a moderator. They edited yours too. Are we bickering towards each other? No, right?

I don’t remember engaging with you in discussion at all prior to last night, to be honest. I also don’t remember talking about Gunn and his tweets either, but even if I didn’t, are you suggesting that I’m okay with them? Does someone have to always express their views either verbally or in written form if they disagree? I don’t talk about a lot of things or people I don’t agree with. That doesn’t mean I actually do agree, it just means I sometimes keep my thoughts to myself.
We have discussed things on numerous occasions. It’s alright if you don’t recall who I am. You stick out to me because you are the resident Disneylander. As for James Gunn, I didn’t say you spoke about that either. All said was how I don’t recall you being vocal about that being how insensitive his “jokes” were, which by the way are far worse than anything Gina Carano has posted.

You don’t need to post every time you disagree on certain things, I just find it amusing how you literally came out of nowhere to say...
Carano was fired for refusing to listen to her employer and continuing to tweet problematic things.
You later went on to say that she dissed trans people, which she did not. I think she was just messing around, it’s just unfortunate that she wanted to mess around with the wrong crowd.

Fellas like Rian Johnson and Pablo Hidalgo are always trolling fans. Fans voice their displeasure to the company and the company does nothing! James Gunn makes inappropriate jokes regarding pedophilia, the company parts ways with him for a while only to later rehire him when there was absolutely no investigation to follow up on those disturbing tweets. There is zero evidence that Carano is anti-trans and pro-nazi. On the contrary though, a lot of people misunderstood her point.

When you have the chance, please check out this video. Forget about the political side these folks are on for a few minutes and give it a listen, it explains Carano’s situation in depth and may help you find the clarification you need.

What does she have to do with this? Everyone picks and chooses what is offensive or not. I don’t dislike Carano, nor do I like her. I had never heard of her prior to her first being called out for her tweets. I’m also not offended by her tweets. I found them bizzarre and distasteful, yes. I don’t want to spend any extra time I have getting to know her because I don’t care to. I could flip this and encourage people who are so incredibly upset about Splash’s change to go and educate themselves on Joel Chandler Harris’ racist Uncle Remus stories, how some of that racism transferred to Disney’s Song of the South, connect that with the historically poor racial relationship between African Americans and American society, as well as the experiences of African Americans in this country, and try to see the change from a different view. Many of you don’t and won’t care to do something like that though and will continue to mention “the woke mob,” Twitter, “SJWs,” “the left,” and so on.
I am aware of the offensive nature written within the pages of Joel Chandler Harris books and how some of the elements were brought over into the Song of the South. Though, Splash Mountain does not play with those same offensive tropes as displayed in the film or novels. It does away with it, not to mention that there are a lot of folks out there that are not aware of the Song of the South’s existence.
 

CaptainAmerica

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So here's a question I haven't seen answered.

Conceding for a second that Song of the South is sufficiently "problematic" to necessitate a retheme, what makes Princess and the Frog any less problematic for the exact same reasons? Song of the South is "bad" because it paints a rosy picture of the Reconstruction South. Wouldn't Princess and the Frog be just as "bad" for painting a rosy picture of the Jim Crow South?
 

_caleb

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So here's a question I haven't seen answered.

Conceding for a second that Song of the South is sufficiently "problematic" to necessitate a retheme, what makes Princess and the Frog any less problematic for the exact same reasons? Song of the South is "bad" because it paints a rosy picture of the Reconstruction South. Wouldn't Princess and the Frog be just as "bad" for painting a rosy picture of the Jim Crow South?
Some have suggest this very thing. In my opinion, the answer is that Tiana isn’t content with her station and happy with the way things are— she works hard against the obstacles she faces. This (again, in my opinion) is why the film resonates with audiences (particularly Black audiences). It’s not just that she’s Black, it’s that she reflects something real in how she relates to the world around her.

Song of the South includes a message (and I’m not saying this is the ONLY message)—don’t try to fight your station in society, be content in it. Just smile, sing a song, and find your internal laughing place and your troubles will just disappear. Given the setting and time period, this message comes across as racist.

Compared with one of Princess and the Frog’s messages in Tiana—she fights against the place society has for her. She feels desperation (that she’s going to lose the dream she works so far for), exercises agency, and doesn’t pander to those in power. Despite the setting and time period, this message comes across as empowering.
 

_caleb

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First a Ben Shapiro video and then something from the Blaze? No wonder you guys see things the way you do! I know we’re all influenced by what we watch and listen to, and I’m not claiming to be above that, but I hope you’re also listening to other perspectives.
 

champdisney

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First a Ben Shapiro video and then something from the Blaze? No wonder you guys see things the way you do! I know we’re all influenced by what we watch and listen to, and I’m not claiming to be above that, but I hope you’re also listening to other perspectives.
Why yes I do listen to various sources with a distinctive difference of opinions.

Depending on what information is being stared by them, which by the way all of them are guilty of withholding certain key information in order to expand in whatever narrative they are trying to feed you. Combine that with their opinions they share, I listen very closely for the points in which I agree with. It’s that simple and nothing really mind-boggling.

I believe BlazeTV and The Daily Wire share some solid points. That’s just me though.
 

The Mom

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Just general info - although political/social issues can be discussed in this forum, personal attacks, IMO, are not allowed. Posts were moderated to remove the personal barbs while leaving the rest of the post as is.
 

CaptainAmerica

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Song of the South includes a message (and I’m not saying this is the ONLY message)—don’t try to fight your station in society, be content in it. Just smile, sing a song, and find your internal laughing place and your troubles will just disappear. Given the setting and time period, this message comes across as racist.
Using that same logic, "Life is Beautiful" is a pro-Nazi movie.

"Keeping your spirits up for the sake of your mental health despite horrible circumstances" is an extremely common motif in fiction and I can't think of a single other example of people framing it as justification of those circumstances.
 

_caleb

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Using that same logic, "Life is Beautiful" is a pro-Nazi movie.

"Keeping your spirits up for the sake of your mental health despite horrible circumstances" is an extremely common motif in fiction and I can't think of a single other example of people framing it as justification of those circumstances.
Hmm. I don’t think the logic I’m using would work to make that connection.

Maybe your summary is a bit over-simplified compared to the point I was trying to make? I don’t know, “keep your spirits up” seems like a very good and encouraging message. And Life is Beautiful works (for me) because its message seems so subversive of the narrative of the time. Benigni’s character knows about the atrocities that are happening, but tries to protect his family from them.

In my opinion, Song of the South goes beyond that by having Uncle Remus appear to be supportive of (or at least ignorant of) how bad his station is as he teaches the “lessons” he’s learned to the white children.

I see a difference, but I’m not sure I’m explaining it in a way anyone else could understand.
 

Brer Panther

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Everyone who believes Disney's bullcrap that this was in the works before the petitions, I'd like to share a few things with you...

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CaptainAmerica

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In my opinion, Song of the South goes beyond that by having Uncle Remus appear to be supportive of (or at least ignorant of) how bad his station is as he teaches the “lessons” he’s learned to the white children.
See and that's the reason why it works for me. Despite being downtrodden and treated as a less-than-second-class citizen his whole life, he's still able to offer joy and wisdom to those children.
 

Brer Panther

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So here's a question I haven't seen answered.

Conceding for a second that Song of the South is sufficiently "problematic" to necessitate a retheme, what makes Princess and the Frog any less problematic for the exact same reasons? Song of the South is "bad" because it paints a rosy picture of the Reconstruction South. Wouldn't Princess and the Frog be just as "bad" for painting a rosy picture of the Jim Crow South?
I was actually wondering about that myself.
 

Donaldfan1934

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Everyone who believes Disney's bullcrap that this was in the works before the petitions, I'd like to share a few things with you...

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Great example with the Brer Rabbit 2020 pin, but can you please take screenshots of the other examples? You can’t see them unless you are a part of the private Facebook group.
 

CaptainAmerica

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Everyone who believes Disney's bullcrap that this was in the works before the petitions, I'd like to share a few things with you...

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The caption of that pin could be "h**s mad."
 

champdisney

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See and that's the reason why it works for me. Despite being downtrodden and treated as a less-than-second-class citizen his whole life, he's still able to offer joy and wisdom to those children.
It’s the fantasy behind Uncle Remus’ character trait in Song of the South that certain people take an issue with. Forgetting that fantasy is what Disney is all about.
Everyone who believes Disney's bullcrap that this was in the works before the petitions, I'd like to share a few things with you...

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Yeah, I also find it hard to believe that the development of the retheme was in the works before the online outcry. Still, I’ll give the benefit of the doubt to Disney... just to keep the peace, you know?
 

Donaldfan1934

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Yeah, I also find it hard to believe that the development of the retheme was in the works before the online outcry. Still, I’ll give the benefit of the doubt to Disney... just to keep the peace, you know?
As I’ve previously stated in the discussion only thread, even if Disney had any potential replacement ideas, I believe that they may have at least been depending on online outcry to occur before giving a full green light to any of them in order to keep the backlash towards such a decision manageable.
 
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