Splash Mountain re-theme announced

[tirian]

This is regarding a comment in another thread, but I’m replying here to make sure it’s in the proper forum (and to kinda help out @The Mom ).


IMHO:

I’m saying this as someone who is a minority.

One of the biggest issues right now is that it’s become a knee-jerk and immature reaction to call anything with a dialect or cultural identity “racist.” There’s an enormous difference between Brer Rabbit in “Splash Mt.” and the crows in Dumbo—and even the crows can be considered a product of their time since they‘re actually sympathetic and help Dumbo.

As a minority, I’ve had people tell me they think IASW and World Showcase are racist because (1) traditional cultural references and (2) maybe to score points with me? Maybe?

But perhaps those same people don’t realize they’re inadvertently calling White people “the only normal” and everything that refers to other cultures “racist.” Guess what. Accents do exist. Cultural clothing and differences do too. That variety is part of what makes life wonderful! I don’t want everyone to look, dress, or sound the same; and I don’t want “American Western pop culture as filtered through Twitter mobs” to control the whole earth.

Hyper-sensitivity is another issue because it confuses things which truly are problematic with ultra-sensitive, ultra-skewed opinions. Cartoons exaggerate everything. That’s part of being a cartoon. White hillbillies, snobby elites, southern critters, Mexican mice who run fast — it’s all up for grabs. It’s true that some old cartoons are actually racist, especially from the days of black-and-white and early color. But those instances clearly tried to get laughs out of the identity itself. The traits weren’t part of characterization: they were intended to simply laugh at the people for existing. That is indeed a problem.

That’s also not the same thing as simply including a dialect (Brer Rabbit, Country Bear Jamboree, Tiki birds, etc.) or traditional cultural references (IASW, World Showcase). Recognizing differences and including them in characterizations are not the same thing as racism. That’s a bizarre oversimplification.

@Brer Oswald here’s my response.

Also, I’m simply posting this “IMHO” and won’t keep checking to argue or go back-and-forth with anyone. Too much important stuff is happening IRL.

 

[Brer Oswald]

This is regarding a comment in another thread, but I’m replying here to make sure it’s in the proper forum (and to kinda help out @The Mom ).


IMHO:

I’m saying this as someone who is a minority.

One of the biggest issues right now is that it’s become a knee-jerk and immature reaction to call anything with a dialect or cultural identity “racist.” There’s an enormous difference between Brer Rabbit in “Splash Mt.” and the crows in Dumbo—and even the crows can be considered a product of their time since they‘re actually sympathetic and help Dumbo.

As a minority, I’ve had people tell me they think IASW and World Showcase are racist because (1) traditional cultural references and (2) maybe to score points with me? Maybe?

But perhaps those same people don’t realize they’re inadvertently calling White people “the only normal” and everything that refers to other cultures “racist.” Guess what. Accents do exist. Cultural clothing and differences do too. That variety is part of what makes life wonderful! I don’t want everyone to look, dress, or sound the same; and I don’t want “American Western pop culture as filtered through Twitter mobs” to control the whole earth.

Hyper-sensitivity is another issue because it confuses things which truly are problematic with ultra-sensitive, ultra-skewed opinions. Cartoons exaggerate everything. That’s part of being a cartoon. White hillbillies, snobby elites, southern critters, Mexican mice who run fast — it’s all up for grabs. It’s true that some old cartoons are actually racist, especially from the days of black-and-white and early color. But those instances clearly tried to get laughs out of the identity itself. The traits weren’t part of characterization: they were intended to simply laugh at the people for existing. That is indeed a problem.

That’s also not the same thing as simply including a dialect (Brer Rabbit, Country Bear Jamboree, Tiki birds, etc.) or traditional cultural references (IASW, World Showcase). Recognizing differences and including them in characterizations are not the same thing as racism. That’s a bizarre oversimplification.

@Brer Oswald here’s my response.

Also, I’m simply posting this “IMHO” and won’t keep checking to argue or go back-and-forth with anyone. Too much important stuff is happening IRL.

That’s my stance on it as well.
Somewhat related, someone once told me Song of the South was racist because “it has black people in it”. I was completely dumbfounded at the response.

 

[Kram Sacul]

That’s my stance on it as well.
Somewhat related, someone once told me Song of the South was racist because “it has black people in it”. I was completely dumbfounded at the response.

That’s the kind of sad logic many have. Way easier than actually watching the film and coming up with an independent thought. It was also made in the 1940s, the most racist decade of all time, except right now.

 

[Timmay]

That’s the kind of sad logic many have. Way easier than actually watching the film and coming up with an independent thought. It was also made in the 1940s, the most racist decade of all time, except right now.

Sooo, we are living in the most racist time...right now? And the ‘40’s were the second most racist? I think you may have to quantify that for me.

Stand by...was that sarcasm? If so, disregard.

 

[aw14]

That’s the kind of sad logic many have. Way easier than actually watching the film and coming up with an independent thought. It was also made in the 1940s, the most racist decade of all time, except right now.

Now is the most racist? Seriously? 4 years after a black man served 2 terms as president? Can you substantiate that claim please?

 

[Kram Sacul]

Sooo, we are living in the most racist time...right now? And the ‘40’s were the second most racist? I think you may have to quantify that for me.

Stand by...was that sarcasm? If so, disregard.

Now is the most racist? Seriously? 4 years after a black man served 2 terms as president? Can you substantiate that claim please?

I was being sarcastic. Real racism ended some time ago but some want it back.

 

[celluloid]

That’s the kind of sad logic many have. Way easier than actually watching the film and coming up with an independent thought. It was also made in the 1940s, the most racist decade of all time, except right now.

Which consdering one of the key final shots in the film is a black hand and white hand in friendship (one of, if not the first possibly to do this)after sharing life experiences makes it one of the arguably most progressive films of all time, Walt and company were pretty bold keeping that in with its message.

 

[Kram Sacul]

Which consdering one of the key final shots in the film is a black hand and white hand in friendship (one of, if not the first possibly to do this)after sharing life experiences makes it one of the arguably most progressive films of all time, Walt and company were pretty bold keeping that in with its message.

In an alternate and more peaceful universe Song of the South is a beloved classic that Disney is not ashamed of and is now on Disney+.

 

[celluloid]

In an alternate and more peaceful universe Song of the South is a beloved classic that Disney is not ashamed of and is now on Disney+.

If it would have been more of a priotiy to the home video in the states market back in the late 80s, I think that would have been more or less likely.

 

[Kram Sacul]

If it would have been more of a priotiy to the home video in the states market back in the late 80s, I think that would have been more or less likely.

When I was a kid in the 80s I would sometimes see clips of SotS on the Disney Channel and wonder why they never showed the whole movie. It looked awesome.

 

[celluloid]

When I was a kid in the 80s I would sometimes see clips of SotS on the Disney Channel and wonder why they never showed the whole movie. It looked awesome.

It even had a theatrical rerelease in the late 80s before Splash Mountain opened.

 

[Kram Sacul]

It even had a theatrical rerelease in the late 80s before Splash Mountain opened.

Yep. All the fake outrage should’ve happened then.

 

[Phil12]

It even had a theatrical rerelease in the late 80s before Splash Mountain opened.

That's because white supremacy was the norm in the USA back in the 1980's. Two term president Ronald Reagan is proof of that fact:

Ronald Reagan's Racism Should Come as No Surprise | Common Dreams

The historical amnesia that allows people to be surprised that Ronald Reagan was a racist does more than sanitize the image of a historical figure.

www.commondreams.org

 

[aw14]

That's because white supremacy was the norm in the USA back in the 1980's. Two term president Ronald Reagan is proof of that fact:

Ronald Reagan's Racism Should Come as No Surprise | Common Dreams

The historical amnesia that allows people to be surprised that Ronald Reagan was a racist does more than sanitize the image of a historical figure.

www.commondreams.org

Common Dreams - Bias and Credibility

LEFT BIAS These media sources are moderate to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may

www.google.com

Come on man, you don’t help yourself with posts like this.

 

[dig311dug]

Yep. All the fake outrage should’ve happened then.

Difficult to fake outrage pre-social media

Simpler times.

 

[Phil12]

Common Dreams - Bias and Credibility

LEFT BIAS These media sources are moderate to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may

www.google.com

Come on man, you don’t help yourself with posts like this.

I know you don't like the facts of the matter but:

“Now that that recording has come out, Ronald Reagan will have to be canceled,” Noah quipped. “Which is going to be hard, because life canceled him first. It takes a lot of work to cancel a dead person. You've got to hold a seance, summon their spirit back from the dead, be like, ‘Ronald Reagan, we have called you back to tell you Bye, Felicia.’”

Reagan Foundationâs Response to Racist Recording Is a Joke, Says Trevor Noah

“On the one hand it is disturbing that America has a history of racist presidents,” Noah said Thursday night. “But look on the bright side: It also means that Donald Trump is more presidential than we thought.”

www.vanityfair.com

Ronald Reagan was an actor and his biggest role was as president. A lot of people liked him. But he was obviously a racist. I know that's hard for you to accept. It's much easier to reject the facts and forget that he did everything in his power to dismantle affirmative action in the Justice Department by calling it reverse discrimination. He vetoed the bipartisan Civil Rights Restoration Act in 1988 when he was at the end of his second term with no election left to run.

His explanation for his veto—which Congress quickly overrode—was that the pending law would “unjustifiably extend the power of the federal government over the decisions and affairs of private organizations.” This was anti‒civil rights boilerplate; he could have used the same words to explain his opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

It’s Time We Face the Fact that Ronald Reagan Was Hostile to Civil Rights

Reagan rode the white backlash—along with other major issues, to be sure—farther than anyone else ever did in American history, before or since.

historynewsnetwork.org

And you really don't serve yourself well by denying that Ronald Reagan was a racist. The historical facts of the matter undeniably prove otherwise.

 

[aw14]

I know you don't like the facts of the matter but:

“Now that that recording has come out, Ronald Reagan will have to be canceled,” Noah quipped. “Which is going to be hard, because life canceled him first. It takes a lot of work to cancel a dead person. You've got to hold a seance, summon their spirit back from the dead, be like, ‘Ronald Reagan, we have called you back to tell you Bye, Felicia.’”

Reagan Foundationâs Response to Racist Recording Is a Joke, Says Trevor Noah

“On the one hand it is disturbing that America has a history of racist presidents,” Noah said Thursday night. “But look on the bright side: It also means that Donald Trump is more presidential than we thought.”

www.vanityfair.com

Ronald Reagan was an actor and his biggest role was as president. A lot of people liked him. But he was obviously a racist. I know that's hard for you to accept. It's much easier to reject the facts and forget that he did everything in his power to dismantle affirmative action in the Justice Department by calling it reverse discrimination. He vetoed the bipartisan Civil Rights Restoration Act in 1988 when he was at the end of his second term with no election left to run.

His explanation for his veto—which Congress quickly overrode—was that the pending law would “unjustifiably extend the power of the federal government over the decisions and affairs of private organizations.” This was anti‒civil rights boilerplate; he could have used the same words to explain his opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

It’s Time We Face the Fact that Ronald Reagan Was Hostile to Civil Rights

Reagan rode the white backlash—along with other major issues, to be sure—farther than anyone else ever did in American history, before or since.

historynewsnetwork.org

And you really don't serve yourself well by denying that Ronald Reagan was a racist. The historical facts of the matter undeniably prove otherwise.

The problem is, based on your post history, you think almost everyone’s a racist. So your credibility on the issue is nil. Add in, that you use an extremely biased source, and whatever small credibility you had goes down to zero.

As a practical matter, affirmative action is discrimination

 

[Sharon&Susan]

I know you don't like the facts of the matter but:

“Now that that recording has come out, Ronald Reagan will have to be canceled,” Noah quipped. “Which is going to be hard, because life canceled him first. It takes a lot of work to cancel a dead person. You've got to hold a seance, summon their spirit back from the dead, be like, ‘Ronald Reagan, we have called you back to tell you Bye, Felicia.’”

Reagan Foundationâs Response to Racist Recording Is a Joke, Says Trevor Noah

“On the one hand it is disturbing that America has a history of racist presidents,” Noah said Thursday night. “But look on the bright side: It also means that Donald Trump is more presidential than we thought.”

www.vanityfair.com

Ronald Reagan was an actor and his biggest role was as president. A lot of people liked him. But he was obviously a racist. I know that's hard for you to accept. It's much easier to reject the facts and forget that he did everything in his power to dismantle affirmative action in the Justice Department by calling it reverse discrimination. He vetoed the bipartisan Civil Rights Restoration Act in 1988 when he was at the end of his second term with no election left to run.

His explanation for his veto—which Congress quickly overrode—was that the pending law would “unjustifiably extend the power of the federal government over the decisions and affairs of private organizations.” This was anti‒civil rights boilerplate; he could have used the same words to explain his opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

It’s Time We Face the Fact that Ronald Reagan Was Hostile to Civil Rights

Reagan rode the white backlash—along with other major issues, to be sure—farther than anyone else ever did in American history, before or since.

historynewsnetwork.org

And you really don't serve yourself well by denying that Ronald Reagan was a racist. The historical facts of the matter undeniably prove otherwise.

So the Disney company was emboldened to be racist by rereleasing a "white supremacist" film, because Ronald Regan opposed affirmative action? (as that's the only example you give that was done or publicly known of in 1986)

 

[Chi84]

The problem is, based on your post history, you think almost everyone’s a racist. So your credibility on the issue is nil. Add in, that you use an extremely biased source, and whatever small credibility you had goes down to zero.

As a practical matter, affirmative action is discrimination

No less credible than people here tripping over themselves denying that racism still exists and claiming that affirmative action is the same as discrimination. It’s such a superficial characterization of affirmative action, which admittedly is a complex concept. Still, at least read some of the Supreme Court decisions on affirmative action. They are enlightening.

 

[aw14]

No less credible than people here tripping over themselves denying that racism still exists and claiming that affirmative action is the same as discrimination. It’s such a superficial characterization of affirmative action, which admittedly is a complex concept. Still, at least read some of the Supreme Court decisions on affirmative action. They are enlightening.

So you assume people haven’t read them? Why would you assume such a thing? On basic fact, affirmative action is discrimination. As an aside, and you call your bluff on your hyperbolic posting, can you please show me a post that says racism doesn’t exist? I will wait patiently

Your points are goal post moving at best. Using a source like the one that was provided, to substantiate any point, makes it less credible. Specifically, when one looks at the bias of that source.