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[Phil12]

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Come on man, you don’t help yourself with posts like this.

I know you don't like the facts of the matter but:

“Now that that recording has come out, Ronald Reagan will have to be canceled,” Noah quipped. “Which is going to be hard, because life canceled him first. It takes a lot of work to cancel a dead person. You've got to hold a seance, summon their spirit back from the dead, be like, ‘Ronald Reagan, we have called you back to tell you Bye, Felicia.’”

Reagan Foundation’s Response to Racist Recording Is a Joke, Says Trevor Noah

“On the one hand it is disturbing that America has a history of racist presidents,” Noah said Thursday night. “But look on the bright side: It also means that Donald Trump is more presidential than we thought.”

www.vanityfair.com

Ronald Reagan was an actor and his biggest role was as president. A lot of people liked him. But he was obviously a racist. I know that's hard for you to accept. It's much easier to reject the facts and forget that he did everything in his power to dismantle affirmative action in the Justice Department by calling it reverse discrimination. He vetoed the bipartisan Civil Rights Restoration Act in 1988 when he was at the end of his second term with no election left to run.

His explanation for his veto—which Congress quickly overrode—was that the pending law would “unjustifiably extend the power of the federal government over the decisions and affairs of private organizations.” This was anti‒civil rights boilerplate; he could have used the same words to explain his opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

It’s Time We Face the Fact that Ronald Reagan Was Hostile to Civil Rights

Reagan rode the white backlash—along with other major issues, to be sure—farther than anyone else ever did in American history, before or since.

historynewsnetwork.org

And you really don't serve yourself well by denying that Ronald Reagan was a racist. The historical facts of the matter undeniably prove otherwise.

 

[aw14]

I know you don't like the facts of the matter but:

“Now that that recording has come out, Ronald Reagan will have to be canceled,” Noah quipped. “Which is going to be hard, because life canceled him first. It takes a lot of work to cancel a dead person. You've got to hold a seance, summon their spirit back from the dead, be like, ‘Ronald Reagan, we have called you back to tell you Bye, Felicia.’”

Reagan Foundation’s Response to Racist Recording Is a Joke, Says Trevor Noah

“On the one hand it is disturbing that America has a history of racist presidents,” Noah said Thursday night. “But look on the bright side: It also means that Donald Trump is more presidential than we thought.”

www.vanityfair.com

Ronald Reagan was an actor and his biggest role was as president. A lot of people liked him. But he was obviously a racist. I know that's hard for you to accept. It's much easier to reject the facts and forget that he did everything in his power to dismantle affirmative action in the Justice Department by calling it reverse discrimination. He vetoed the bipartisan Civil Rights Restoration Act in 1988 when he was at the end of his second term with no election left to run.

His explanation for his veto—which Congress quickly overrode—was that the pending law would “unjustifiably extend the power of the federal government over the decisions and affairs of private organizations.” This was anti‒civil rights boilerplate; he could have used the same words to explain his opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

It’s Time We Face the Fact that Ronald Reagan Was Hostile to Civil Rights

Reagan rode the white backlash—along with other major issues, to be sure—farther than anyone else ever did in American history, before or since.

historynewsnetwork.org

And you really don't serve yourself well by denying that Ronald Reagan was a racist. The historical facts of the matter undeniably prove otherwise.

The problem is, based on your post history, you think almost everyone’s a racist. So your credibility on the issue is nil. Add in, that you use an extremely biased source, and whatever small credibility you had goes down to zero.

As a practical matter, affirmative action is discrimination

 

[Sharon&Susan]

I know you don't like the facts of the matter but:

“Now that that recording has come out, Ronald Reagan will have to be canceled,” Noah quipped. “Which is going to be hard, because life canceled him first. It takes a lot of work to cancel a dead person. You've got to hold a seance, summon their spirit back from the dead, be like, ‘Ronald Reagan, we have called you back to tell you Bye, Felicia.’”

Reagan Foundation’s Response to Racist Recording Is a Joke, Says Trevor Noah

“On the one hand it is disturbing that America has a history of racist presidents,” Noah said Thursday night. “But look on the bright side: It also means that Donald Trump is more presidential than we thought.”

www.vanityfair.com

Ronald Reagan was an actor and his biggest role was as president. A lot of people liked him. But he was obviously a racist. I know that's hard for you to accept. It's much easier to reject the facts and forget that he did everything in his power to dismantle affirmative action in the Justice Department by calling it reverse discrimination. He vetoed the bipartisan Civil Rights Restoration Act in 1988 when he was at the end of his second term with no election left to run.

His explanation for his veto—which Congress quickly overrode—was that the pending law would “unjustifiably extend the power of the federal government over the decisions and affairs of private organizations.” This was anti‒civil rights boilerplate; he could have used the same words to explain his opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

It’s Time We Face the Fact that Ronald Reagan Was Hostile to Civil Rights

Reagan rode the white backlash—along with other major issues, to be sure—farther than anyone else ever did in American history, before or since.

historynewsnetwork.org

And you really don't serve yourself well by denying that Ronald Reagan was a racist. The historical facts of the matter undeniably prove otherwise.

So the Disney company was emboldened to be racist by rereleasing a "white supremacist" film, because Ronald Regan opposed affirmative action? (as that's the only example you give that was done or publicly known of in 1986)

 

[Chi84]

The problem is, based on your post history, you think almost everyone’s a racist. So your credibility on the issue is nil. Add in, that you use an extremely biased source, and whatever small credibility you had goes down to zero.

As a practical matter, affirmative action is discrimination

No less credible than people here tripping over themselves denying that racism still exists and claiming that affirmative action is the same as discrimination. It’s such a superficial characterization of affirmative action, which admittedly is a complex concept. Still, at least read some of the Supreme Court decisions on affirmative action. They are enlightening.

 

[aw14]

No less credible than people here tripping over themselves denying that racism still exists and claiming that affirmative action is the same as discrimination. It’s such a superficial characterization of affirmative action, which admittedly is a complex concept. Still, at least read some of the Supreme Court decisions on affirmative action. They are enlightening.

So you assume people haven’t read them? Why would you assume such a thing? On basic fact, affirmative action is discrimination. As an aside, and you call your bluff on your hyperbolic posting, can you please show me a post that says racism doesn’t exist? I will wait patiently

Your points are goal post moving at best. Using a source like the one that was provided, to substantiate any point, makes it less credible. Specifically, when one looks at the bias of that source.

 

[Chi84]

So you assume people haven’t read them? Why would you assume such a thing? On basic fact, affirmative action is discrimination. As an aside, and you call your bluff on your hyperbolic posting, can you please show me a post that says racism doesn’t exist? I will wait patiently

Your points are goal post moving at best. Using a source like the one that was provided, to substantiate any point, makes it less credible. Specifically, when one looks at the bias of that source.

If you acknowledge racism still exists, shouldn't we put in place programs to assist the people who are being disadvantaged by the racism? Or do the racists not discriminate when it comes to jobs and educational opportunities?

 

[aw14]

If you acknowledge racism still exists, shouldn't we put in place programs to assist the people who are being disadvantaged by the racism? Or do the racists not discriminate when it comes to jobs and educational opportunities?

You are conflating issues. Just because it exists- doesn’t mean that people are being victimized in some sort of institution. You are conflating racism & institutional or systemic racism, which I do not see evidence of.

Further- the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence that any minorities are discriminated against in jobs/ college acceptance etc... I think you’ll find, the data won’t help you much.

 

[Phil12]

So the Disney company was emboldened to be racist by rereleasing a "white supremacist" film, because Ronald Regan opposed affirmative action? (as that's the only example you give that was done or publicly known of in 1986)

White supremacism was more popular in the USA back in the 1980's. We've matured more as a country, although I will admit, that's a hard one to prove considering our current POTUS. But our current POTUS does prove that white supremacists are still heavy political players with the evangelical right leading the way. Trump loves to court them.

 

[brb1006]

Aw well, this thread had a good run on the Disneyland sub-forum for a decent period while it lasted.

 

[Sharon&Susan]

White supremacism was more popular in the USA back in the 1980's.

You said racism was the norm in the United States, can you please cite a source where the majority of Americans were racist (and I'm not looking for "X famous person was secretly racist!")

We've matured more as a country, although I will admit, that's a hard one to prove considering our current POTUS. But our current POTUS does prove that white supremacists are still heavy political players with the evangelical right leading the way. Trump loves to court them.

What does any of this have to do with the log flume ride with the singing/talking animals?

 

[Chi84]

You are conflating issues. Just because it exists- doesn’t mean that people are being victimized in some sort of institution. You are conflating racism & institutional or systemic racism, which I do not see evidence of.

Further- the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence that any minorities are discriminated against in jobs/ college acceptance etc... I think you’ll find, the data won’t help you much.

People are racist, but there are no consequences of the racism? I'm not sure what the burden of proof is on a Disney forum.

 

[aw14]

People are racist, but there are no consequences of the racism? I'm not sure what the burden of proof is on a Disney forum.

Evidence? Anything showing that your statements are based in fact?

 

[Chi84]

Evidence? Anything showing that your statements are based in fact?

There's a difference between proving a fact (evoking burden of proof) and supporting an opinion. After reading the posts above this one, I realize I stepped in something I shouldn't have. Let's just say I disagree with your assertion that "On basic fact, affirmative action is discrimination" and leave it at that.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

There's a difference between proving a fact (evoking burden of proof) and supporting an opinion. After reading the posts above this one, I realize I stepped in something I shouldn't have. Let's just say I disagree with your assertion that "On basic fact, affirmative action is discrimination" and leave it at that.

Discrimination is discrimination, regardless of who it targets or favors.

 

[aw14]

There's a difference between proving a fact (evoking burden of proof) and supporting an opinion. After reading the posts above this one, I realize I stepped in something I shouldn't have. Let's just say I disagree with your assertion that "On basic fact, affirmative action is discrimination" and leave it at that.

Fair enough- we can respectfully disagree

 

[manmythlegend]

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[LittleBuford]

The Save Splash Mountain Go Fund Me is up to $280. Starting to get noticed.

Great! They’ll be able to purchase a Brer Fox plushie from eBay with that!

 

[manmythlegend]

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Need $20 more for that

 

[Phil12]

You said racism was the norm in the United States, can you please cite a source where the majority of Americans were racist (and I'm not looking for "X famous person was secretly racist!")

Will The Denver Post suffice?:

Blackface, other insensitivities ran rampant in ’80s culture

At the time Virginia’s future political leaders put on blackface in college for fun, Dan Aykroyd wore it too — in the hit 1983 comedy “Trading Places.”

www.denverpost.com

What does any of this have to do with the log flume ride with the singing/talking animals?

Oscar Wilde said, "Life imitates Art far more than Art imitates Life".

 

[Phil12]

Discrimination is discrimination, regardless of who it targets or favors.

So, I take it that no reparations are needed for slavery and later Jim Crow laws?