Splash Mountain re-theme announced

[aw14]

I don’t agree, but even if I did, it doesn’t affect my overall point: a child of 10-11 is still a child, and one doesn’t have to engage deeply with Song of the South to notice that the African American characters are all in happily subservient positions.

This is where responsible parent comes into play as well.

 

[LittleBuford]

This is where responsible parent comes into play as well.

Sure, if one really insists on showing one’s children Song of the South. I just don’t see why one would.

 

[Timmay]

I don’t agree, but even if I did, it doesn’t affect my overall point: a child of 10-11 is still a child, and one doesn’t have to engage deeply with Song of the South to notice that the African American characters are all in happily subservient positions.

You must know some pretty impressively astute 10 year olds, or have forgotten what it’s like to be that age. Im sorry, but your contention about a 10 year old romanticizing about happy subservient positions is more than a bit off to me.

 

[LittleBuford]

You must know some pretty impressively astute 10 year olds, or have forgotten what it’s like to be that age. Im sorry, but your contention about a 10 year old romanticizing about happy subservient positions is more than a bit off to me.

You’re welcome to your opinion. I stand by mine.

 

[aw14]

Sure, if one really insists on showing one’s children Song of the South. I just don’t see why one would.

Depends on age tbh. I would t ha e had a problem showing my daughter at 12-13 if she expressed interest.

 

[dig311dug]

@LittleBuford : PatF romanticized the Jim Crow era south... would you have a 10 year old avoid that as well?

 

[Brer Oswald]

The idea that children are influenced by the films and shows they watch is hardly newfangled. Having been a child myself, I can vouch for its validity.

Influenced for sure. But not in the way of how they view human relations. More in the way of “Wow, that Rabbit was cute, funny, and smart. I’ll jump around and be just like him.”

 

[LittleBuford]

@LittleBuford : PatF romanticized the Jim Crow era south... would you have a 10 year old avoid that as well?

I agree it’s overly romanticised. It does, however, convey the fact that Tiana has to work doubly hard to succeed, a point underscored by the Fenner brothers’ disparaging reference to her background. It’s Disneyfied, but nowhere near as idealised as Song of the South.

To put it another way, would I feel comfortable having my young niece and nephew watch The Princess and a Frog with a black friend? Absolutely. And Song of the South? Absolutely not.

 

[dig311dug]

To put it another way, would I feel comfortable having my young niece and nephew watch The Princess and a Frog with a black friend? Absolutely. And Song of the South? Absolutely not.

"You can't watch this because of the skin color of your friend."

 

[Brer Oswald]

Depends on age tbh. I would t ha e had a problem showing my daughter at 12-13 if she expressed interest.

If I ever have kids, I’ll show it to them. To me, it’s a movie about Brer Rabbit, the things he would do to get out of a jam, and how it can influence and help a small child learning to adapt to their surroundings.

Like I said previously, I wish I had something like this growing up instead of just thinking of myself as a weak pathetic loser all the time.

 

[LittleBuford]

Influenced for sure. But not in the way of how they view human relations. More in the way of “Wow, that Rabbit was cute, funny, and smart. I’ll jump around and be just like him.”

We’ll have to agree to disagree on this.

 

[LittleBuford]

Strangely racist statement.
"You can't watch this because of the skin color of your friend."

I refuse to engage with people who don’t debate in good faith. Have a good day.

 

[Brer Oswald]

We’ll have to agree to disagree on this.

I’m going off my perspective as someone who was a kid not that long ago.

 

[LittleBuford]

I’m going off my perspective as someone who was a kid not that long ago.

I respect that. My perspective is based on memories of my own childhood (which admittedly is less recent than yours) and my interactions with my niece and nephew, who’ve more than once surprised me with the kinds of questions they ask when we’re watching things together. I’m not looking to change your mind or anyone else’s.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I refuse to engage with people who don’t debate in good faith. Have a good day.

I’m going to have to agree with you right here, although I don’t agree with anything else you’re saying (despite the good intentions).

@dig311dug It’s just not fair to compare the apparent racism in PatF to the apparent racism in SotS. They aren’t even close to the same movie. I think PatF has tons of issues with stereotypes, and like most Disney movies in the past 30 years, is an incredibly shallow experience, but none of these issues have anything to do with race. It isn’t fair to call him racist for being okay with showing a kid PatF but not SotS.

Here’s the deal. It’s been so hammered into the public conscious that SotS is racist, that there’s absolutely no turning back. People will be offended solely based on the fact that they’ve been told it’s racist, and there’s surface level stuff like the out of date dialect that will verify that perception for them. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to expect that someone could be offended by the film.

 

[dig311dug]

I apologize for calling your statement racist, but cherry picking what movies can be seen based on the color of your child's friend's skin?

I could understand not showing a film to any kid's friend but why did you single out the race of the child?

 

[Rich Brownn]

Very interesting, what was their opinion about Splash Mountain before and after watching the film?

That we never talked about as this was before the re theme was proposed

 

[Rich Brownn]

I think the issue is that it’s a children’s film, which those other movies aren’t. That is why it is treated as more problematic than, say, Gone with the Wind. It really isn’t a film that kids should be watching (and I say that as Briton who watched it often as a child).

Perhaps. But there are children films with issues from that era (including Dumbo) that also have problems. The point is SotS isn't any better or worse than any of the films from that era when it comes to racial stereotypes. By making it a very public exception made it seem worse than it really is.

 

[The Mom]

This thread is starting to go down the politics/social issues path. Please do not sentence another thread to the Politics & Social Issues forum!. Thank you.

 

[EagleScout610]

This thread is starting to go down the politics/social issues path. Please do not sentence another thread to the Politics & Social Issues forum!. Thank you.

Are you referring to this thread: https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...n-discussion-only.965899/page-62#post-9361618 ?