Splash Mountain re-theme announced

[Phil12]

@Phil12 white children hand in hand with black man in a film from 1946 was incredibly progressive for the times.

I don’t even know what you’re defending any more?

You're the one try to defend the racism in Song of the South, not me. You might want to read about the Magical Negro to see why this trope is offensive:

"These powers are used to save and transform disheveled, uncultured, lost, or broken whites (almost exclusively white men) into competent, successful, and content people within the context of the American myth of redemption and salvation. It is this feature of the Magical Negro that some people find most troubling. Although from a certain perspective the character may seem to be showing blacks in a positive light, the character is still ultimately subordinate to whites. He or she is also regarded as an exception, allowing white America to like individual black people but not black culture."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro

 

[Brer Oswald]

What other attractions of his do you think need to be redone besides Splash? Certainly not Big Thunder. I would absolutely be done with Disney if they even sniffed around that one.

He was cracking a “joke” because Figment “NEEDED” to be redone

 

[Brer Oswald]

You're the one try to defend the racism in Song of the South, not me. You might want to read about the Magical Negro to see why this trope is offensive:

"These powers are used to save and transform disheveled, uncultured, lost, or broken whites (almost exclusively white men) into competent, successful, and content people within the context of the American myth of redemption and salvation. It is this feature of the Magical Negro that some people find most troubling. Although from a certain perspective the character may seem to be showing blacks in a positive light, the character is still ultimately subordinate to whites. He or she is also regarded as an exception, allowing white America to like individual black people but not black culture."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro

Ignore the trope for a second because the Uncle Remus character in the film doesn’t completely match it. However he does help the young boy by telling him the stories and being his friend.

So...

What you’re saying is that Uncle Remus being a role model for Johnny is racist? Do you realize how idiotic that sounds?

 

[Phil12]

What other attractions of his do you think need to be redone besides Splash? Certainly not Big Thunder. I would absolutely be done with Disney if they even sniffed around that one.

Big Thunder is fine. But the real problem goes back to the original 1983 Journey into Imagination. It ran for 15 years but had that creepy Dreamfinder guy. Fortunately they got rid of him before too much damage was done:

But the mayor of Imaginationland is still a haunting reminder of how Disney makes serious mistakes sometimes. And of course that attraction is still a dull penny. They need to re-theme that one into a popular ride and dump Figment and the rest of that ill conceived show.

 

[Sharon&Susan]

This joke from Family Guy serves as a haunting reminder, why we need to remove the Disneyland Railroad:

Did 'Family Guy' Take It Too Far With This Walt Disney Joke?

Walt Disney was a Nazi! Who cares if it's true or not?

www.cartoonbrew.com

 

[Phil12]

Ignore the trope for a second because the Uncle Remus character in the film doesn’t completely match it. However he does help the young boy by telling him the stories and being his friend.

So...

What you’re saying is that Uncle Remus being a role model for Johnny is racist? Do you realize how idiotic that sounds?

You want me to ignore or excuse repeated racist tropes in the movie and Splash Mountain. That still doesn't make it any better. But I'm not the one you have to change.

 

[Phil12]

This joke from Family Guy serves as a haunting reminder, why we need to remove the Disneyland Railroad:

Did 'Family Guy' Take It Too Far With This Walt Disney Joke?

Walt Disney was a Nazi! Who cares if it's true or not?

www.cartoonbrew.com

That's a good one. Thank you for sharing!

 

[Brer Oswald]

Big Thunder is fine. But the real problem goes back to the original 1983 Journey into Imagination. It ran for 15 years but had that creepy Dreamfinder guy. Fortunately they got rid of him before too much damage was done:

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But the mayor of Imaginationland is still a haunting reminder of how Disney makes serious mistakes sometimes. And of course that attraction is still a dull penny. They need to re-theme that one into a popular ride and dump Figment and the rest of that ill conceived show.

Guys. He’s just trolling. He’s making fun of the people calling Splash Mountain racist with these over the top posts, just like when I trashed Banjo-Kazooie in 2019 and posted ridiculous things with this Grotesque model of Steve from Minecraft. Based indeed.

 

[Timmay]

A child who doesn’t know (or isn’t told) better would walk away from the film with a highly romanticised picture of what it meant to be African American in the nineteenth-century South. That to me is reason enough to keep the film out of general viewership.

It’s far more likely a child would walk away from the film wanting a bowl of ice cream than having some type of highly romanticized view of...well, anything. I’m not sure how one could even back up that kind of assertion.

 

[aw14]

It’s far more likely a child would walk away from the film wanting a bowl of ice cream than having some type of highly romanticized view of...well, anything. I’m not sure how one could even back up that kind of assertion.

I know Im not the only parent here, but my daughter when she was young, never walked away with deep thoughts on most films we saw. Usually, if there were questions, my wife and I addressed them, and then it was on to ice cream, or something similar.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I know Im not the only parent here, but my daughter when she was young, never walked away with deep thoughts on most films we saw. Usually, if there were questions, my wife and I addressed them, and then it was on to ice cream, or something similar.

Yup. We've only just recently started getting deep questions...we had a big discussion about Groundhog Day and time loops this morning.

 

[aw14]

Yup. We've only just recently started getting deep questions...we had a big discussion about Groundhog Day and time loops this morning.

No disrespect to anyone or their kids, but I know my daughter, especially when she was younger wasn't looking for "deep meaning". Shed ask a question periodically, then move on to something a kid would move on to. Thats the beauty of youth imo

 

[LittleBuford]

It’s far more likely a child would walk away from the film wanting a bowl of ice cream than having some type of highly romanticized view of...well, anything. I’m not sure how one could even back up that kind of assertion.

The idea that children are influenced by the films and shows they watch is hardly newfangled. Having been a child myself, I can vouch for its validity.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

The idea that children are influenced by the films and shows they watch is hardly newfangled. Having been a child myself, I can vouch for its validity.

Absolutely. But they don't see the deeper meanings that adults do unless they are pointed out to them...their ability to read more deeply into subject matter doesn't come until they're older. My 14-year-old started around the age of 10-11-ish.

 

[LittleBuford]

Absolutely. But they don't see the deeper meanings that adults do unless they are pointed out to them...their ability to read more deeply into subject matter doesn't come until they're older. My 14-year-old started around the age of 10-11-ish.

I don’t agree, but even if I did, it doesn’t affect my overall point: a child of 10-11 is still a child, and one doesn’t have to engage deeply with Song of the South to notice that the African American characters are all in happily subservient positions.

 

[aw14]

I don’t agree, but even if I did, it doesn’t affect my overall point: a child of 10-11 is still a child, and one doesn’t have to engage deeply with Song of the South to notice that the African American characters are all in happily subservient positions.

This is where responsible parent comes into play as well.

 

[LittleBuford]

This is where responsible parent comes into play as well.

Sure, if one really insists on showing one’s children Song of the South. I just don’t see why one would.

 

[Timmay]

I don’t agree, but even if I did, it doesn’t affect my overall point: a child of 10-11 is still a child, and one doesn’t have to engage deeply with Song of the South to notice that the African American characters are all in happily subservient positions.

You must know some pretty impressively astute 10 year olds, or have forgotten what it’s like to be that age. Im sorry, but your contention about a 10 year old romanticizing about happy subservient positions is more than a bit off to me.

 

[LittleBuford]

You must know some pretty impressively astute 10 year olds, or have forgotten what it’s like to be that age. Im sorry, but your contention about a 10 year old romanticizing about happy subservient positions is more than a bit off to me.

You’re welcome to your opinion. I stand by mine.

 

[aw14]

Sure, if one really insists on showing one’s children Song of the South. I just don’t see why one would.

Depends on age tbh. I would t ha e had a problem showing my daughter at 12-13 if she expressed interest.