Spirited Thoughts, News, Observations etc.

OK, hide the women and the children ... most importantly send the fanbois to bed with their plush and tell them to hide under the covers ... waaaay down under them because it's time for some Spirited thoughts, observations, news and anecdotes from a long weekend at The World Maintenance Forgot, yes WDW.

Where to start? With a conclusion? Or should I just work on down?

Should I start with the good ... things like seeing friends, having great weather, appreciating some things that the fan community tends to ignore and seeing EPCOT in its best colors?

Or ... do I focus on everything else? Because all going to WDW did for me this weekend was exceed my already amazingly low expectations for the state of WDW infrastructure and show quality (hey, they did exceed expectations, right?) and get me more excited for my future visits to DLP, possibly BGW, DL ... and, hopefully in the not too distant future, the Asian resorts again too.

Let's start with the basics. Freshness. If you had visited WDW in 2006 and hadn't returned in six years, you would find no appreciable new product in three of four parks.

You would find show quality that already had issues showing more issues than the typical fanboi in therapy. Well, that's if you can actually get to the MK because the crumbling monorail system has to be shut down all day from 11:30 a.m to 6 p.m. to do track work in the midst of one of the busiest times of the year ... imagine paying $500-700 a night for a room at the GF or Poly with monorail convenience touted (wonder what guest recovery they are doing there!) ... but let's assume you find your way there.

Let's start with the stuff the fan community is all lathered up for, namely the Storybook Circus mini-land expansion of Fantasyland. What did I think of it?

Not very much at all.

As usual, the hype was much greater than the product, which can't be viewed in a vacuum in a park that is crumbling and has no wow factor at all anymore.

In the day, Dumbo's primary colors and the red painted construction fences all around come off as garish ... befitting a circus, no doubt ... but Old Man Disney was no more a fan of circuses than he was of amusement parks and piers and the shady elements that all attracted. So, we have a new spinner that is prettier than the last. And it spins high enough to peek over construction walls and we all know how much that has become en vogue in O-Town of late.

It is a beautiful kinetic piece at night when the lighting is largely coming from the white and red bulbs that rim the queue (likely more of a makeshift deal now until the old Dumbo starts spinning across the way) and the LEDs embedded in the fountains underneath. But it is still Dumbo.

Sort of like the Barnstormer is still the Barnstormer, just missing much in the way of theming. Its prior incarnation had some whimsy, this doesn't. But they weren't getting rid of the only kiddie coaster in the park, so this was a cheap fix. Oh, and thanks to Bob Iger working with a chainsaw, you can now watch Disney buses and CMs driving to/fro work behind the MK as you walk up the queue if you peer left. I will never get what Phil and TDO have against trees, but they certainly do.

Nothing else is open beyond a much nicer train station that is still a train station ... and a set of new restrooms (someone needs to page Talking Head to this thread stat!) What I found amazing is that Disney was too cheap to actually connect these facilities to the park's main water supply, so they are using water from the immediate area that is untreated (or perhaps non-filtered/cleansed is more appropriate) so you have bizarre signs saying the water is 'non potable' (that means you can't drink it for those with limited vocabularies) over toilets. I know Disney's prices are crazy for a Coke, but over the toilet?!? ... Of course, the reason is they have colored the water blue because otherwise it would be a very icky color and folks would constantly be complaining that something isn't right.

Are the details nice? Sure. But they are very basic. I was much more excited by leaf patterns in the walkways around Old Man Island at Dixie Landings 20 years ago than I am by various hoof prints and 'peanuts' embedded in this area.

So much of this area also suffers from having both exposed coaster track (Disney fanbois seem to have issues with this at UNI) and show buildings just sticking out like a Duffy alone on a shelf full of Minnies.

If this is what Disney believes will raise the bar in O-Town ... well, no ... they don't. They understand what they have built and why. This is about capacity ... and NEXT GEN ... and keeping folks from being bored out of their minds by offering something 'new'.

It's in 'soft opening' now, but let's be blunt: they had to get this open and open now. They have so little capacity in this park due to 15 years of taking away and not adding. MK just isn't a very pleasant place right now at all with crowds and walls and lots of attractions that have seen far better days.

Again, it also seems that Ops and WDI simply can't get on the same page no matter what ... Dumbo opens with small plants where every little kid (and plenty of big ones) are going to stand, so the result is the foliage that was there Monday was trampled and mostly dead or dying by Friday. How they miss these basics is beyond me, although I think communication and common sense are both lacking.

Now, what else was 'new' (to me) at MK? Spin the Fanboi? Pin the Tail on Meg? Dole Whip tees (I mean, REALLY?!?!) ... or how about the latest way to hook OCD fanbois and why it is so important to NEXT GEN.

I'll see you all a little later ... like in the next post!
 

evilzorac

Active Member
I guess add me into the grumpies then. I was at WDW this weekend and my thoughts and observations for the most part equal 74's points. I will say that Dumbo looked great but Goofini theming is just sad. When we were exiting the ride my 6 year old told me that we were in jail and that she missed the chickens.

Overall the parks just looked dirty and tired. Hopefully whoever follows Iger will take some interest in getting WDW back to being the best them park in the world.

Hows that? I didn't insult any fanboi's, opps never mind.
 

COProgressFan

Well-Known Member
To oversimplify:

WDW 1992: Focus on guest satisfaction. Goal is to exceed guest expectations in every way, encourage repeat visits and referrals, recognize potential lifetime value of each guest.

WDW2012: Focus on profit and money management. Goal is to maximize profit margin in each business unit. Focus on maximizing profit from each guest on each visit - keep guest in park, spending $. Expenses must be justified, focus on spending smarter. Focus on meeting guest expectations and minimizing customer service problems.

I don't think that's an oversimplification at all. I think it is a clear reflection of the attitudes of management of today vs. the past. I know nothing about the inner workings of TDO, but given my observation as a guest over several decades, it would not surprise me in the least if these were clearly spelled out tenets of WDW2012 that management was instilling in decision-making employees.

Every company has a plan for more profitability. WDW's plan used to be to continually invest in the top line (the product itself) to grow the bottom line. The new plan is to cut, cut, cut expenses, and subsequently the guest experience. Is that wise? Does that benefit the guest (or employees) or will there be long term repercussions.
 

EPCOTCenterLover

Well-Known Member
I posted this on my blog a year ago, and it applies to this conversation, and how I see things. IMHO...

As mentioned in my post just below this one, admitting there is a problem is the first step. So, here I go. I am officially removing my Disney colored lenses to see some harsh but liberating truths. Dare to join me?

Truth Number 1:
It's time to admit to something the executives at the Walt Disney Company have known for decades: The company Walt built has very little left of him in it. If you want insight into the real man, head to San Francisco for the Walt Disney Family Museum.

Sure, his name remains iconic, but the man and his guiding principles of entertainment are a thing of the past- aside from images and soundbites being used for promotional purposes. The Walt Disney Company is first and foremost a business. It is one that has demands placed on it by its investors and its leaders. The bottom line is money. It's the American way; the guiding principal of the last few generations. Make money fast, make a lot of it, and deal with the consequences later.


Truth Number 2:
The Disney theme parks are no longer an expression of love for or the commitment to excellence in artistic expression. I'll linger awhile here as the Disney parks are the primary reason why I am interested in the doings of the company.

This change began with the purpose for the Disney-MGM Studios theme park in Florida. Flatly, Michael Eisner was threatened by the arrival of Universal Studios. Being determined to beat them at his game, the chief okayed the construction of the third theme park on the Disney property. Upon its opening in 1989, it was a beautiful but very little gem. And it has turned into a patchwork quilt of creative and financial success ever since.

For every amazing Twilight Zone Tower of Terror, there is an equally off-putting Sounds Dangerous. Not even the very funny Drew Carey can save this attraction from being a placeholder at the near center of the park. Is American Idol really better and more of a tribute to the genre than Superstar Television? No. When in doubt about priorities at this park, think about the state of The Great Movie Ride and the placement and purpose of the giant sorcerer's hat. If those are not convincing, let me refer you back to Truth Number 1.

Money and making it also motivates what is and isn't happening at the rest of the Walt Disney World property. Before you scream "Fantasyland Forest", think about its last major addition. Or even the minor ones. Monsters Inc and Stitch? Ugh. It's the Harry Potter threat that is pushing the company to finally take action. Even this beautiful looking addition comes with a mixed bag of new attractions. I'm thrilled the Little Mermaid is making its way to Florida. Love the movie, love the music. It's about time! Coloring pages and character greetings? Not so much love there, but I cannot blame the company for doing it. See Truth Number 1. They do have a business to run. But do not get me going on Epcot and Disney's Animal Kingdom!
Truth Number 3:
California Adventure 2.0 will be a success. Due to the first point made, the executives are determined to make this happen. It will not celebrate the strengths of the Golden State but will celebrate the ability of the company to use their animation based success to bring guests- and their dollars- in through the gates. Who will be able to resist Ariel or Radiator Springs Racers? Not me- or anyone else with small children in tow.

Truth Number 4:
The Walt Disney Company can no longer make great films without animated characters. My point is made by presenting the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise. Film number one is excellent, and Johnny Depp couldn't be better. Live action, you say? Yes, but is there a character any more animated than Captain Jack Sparrow? Pirates aside, Disney films seem to have fallen flat- and the removal of ________ Cook seems to validate that Robert Iger and much of the executive branch of the company agrees with my Truth Number 4.

Truth Number 5:
The company Walt built can no longer build great attractions without using characters and stories from their films. Regardless of their greatness, Expedition: Everest really is the Matterhorn Bobsleds revisited, with Mission: Space and Soarin Over California also being new takes on old favorites from Walt's time. Originality at the parks is dead. Whether the wonderful Imagineers aren't given the freedom to do so or cannot come up with great ideas for something original, sometimes they cannot even build great attractions using the characters they do have.

Truth Number 6:
The company's focus is now "International first, United States second". It's a smart and savvy business move. And the company we love is playing whenever it can. (Remember Truth Number 1?) Setting aside human right violations and whatever else it needs to, the company wants the big bucks from China. Disney is an established name in the Western Hemisphere, land and people conquered. Miley Cyrus/ Hannah Montana, High School Musical and all the Disney characters own the younger student world here, so its time to move on to untouched territory.

Truth Number 6 explains one of the real reasons Tokyo Disney Sea is so elaborate and why Shanghai Disneyland and a park in South America are on the horizon. It also explains why Walt Disney World has remained relatively untouched, why Disneyland was left to rot once upon a time, and why the company thought they could fool us with the original California Adventure, and the Walt Disney Studios theme park in Paris.

Truth Number 7:
I couldn't do it any better- and neither could you. There's a real reality check. Though we may view ourselves as budding Tony Baxters and Joe Rohdes, the truth is we are not. These men and women at Imagineering are the last of a great bunch- at least until someone else comes to the helm of the company. For now, they are stuck navigating the turbulent waters of politics and finance just to survive the for the ability to potentially be creative. We are a different America and a different people than we were in Walt's time. Innocence lost and dollars gained. There's the tradeoff."
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
And now the day shift begins!
Of course, because anyone who dares disagree must be a social media plant.

The theme of this thread hasn't been '74's typical negative observations, some of which do have merit, but rather the tone in which they are presented.

'74 and his proponents seem to think they can post in whatever style they choose, regardless of how juvenile and abrasive, and it shouldn't detract from the message. On the other hand, many of the posters in this thread seem to think the opposite, the way a message is delivered is a large factor in getting the point across.

The fact that the point of '74's message is getting lost in the discourse regarding his tone, should be a clue that his tone is not effective. However, that is assuming that the point of these threads are to indeed provoke discourse, which is completely different from just provoking.

EDIT: I would also like to mirror Monty's post from earlier. We have people who seem to have similar connections and similar concerns with the theme parks, who often present the same opinion in a different way and aren't blasted like '74 routinely is. So it bears to question, is it the message or the messenger?

Then we come to the overarching theme, which has unfortunately permeated most threads that are polarized such as this one, that you and devoy embody. The general sentiment upon a small fraction of the posters here that if they disagree with you, or more noticeably '74, they must be a social media plant of some sort.

It further detracts from the point of the thread. It's an unfortunate downward spiral of most threads around here.

For you to imply that I am on the take from Disney, or my purpose in being here is to discredit you, provides me with a little bit of humor in my day.

Sometimes I'm not sure you and other posters realize how ridiculous you sound.
 

Lee

Adventurer
*sigh*
Attacking the messeger instead of the message.

Where to begin...

Firstly, as Martin said "Fanboy" or "Fanboi" is not a derogatory term. I (somewhat grudgingly) will admit to being one, as will Spirit.
The "fanboi" or to use the current term from inside the company "foamer" is the negative term. It is somewhat synonymous what is known hereabouts as a "pixie-duster" who can see no wrong. The overzealous sort.
And yes, there are many indise the Walt Disney Co. who look upon it's fans in a very negative light, and do not hesitate to use derogatory terms to describe them. Never forget, to them you are not really a guest, you are a walking $. Last thing they want to deal with are $s with opinions or attitudes. It gets in the way of the spending.
I'm certainly the in the first category.
Right there with ya, buddy.

Problem is he is longing for the WDW of his childhood and that just will never happen because it can never happen. No going back, normal business trajectories, etc etc.
Complete and total hogwash. WDW can/and will return to it's former glory just as soon as it is being run by a team that cares about such things as show, quality and value. Nothing at all to do with "business trajectories", that's just silly.
Look at Disneyland and the turnaround it saw between 2003-2005 when a competant leadership team took over. WDW needs itself some Ouimet, stat!
I doubt Spirit had to spend much money at all. He tends to get special treatment when he visits the Stateside parks.
The illustrious Spirit get's special treatment everywhere he goes, not just Disney parks. Besides, he does actually pay for that AP he has had continuously for the last few decades.
So....Spirit....did you have any fun during this visit?
According to the telephonic trip report I got from him, yes. Just not at MK, particularly. He seemed to quite enjoy DHS and Epcot.

Here's the sequence of events as I see them last night:

Spirit posts trip report

Steam whistle goes off at Celebration Place

Move to Defcon Two

Forces mobilized

Flurry of posts attacking the messenger with little regard to the content

At least, that's the way I see it...
Some may scoff...but they have no idea how accurate that post really is.

wait...does this thread move mean that Spirit wrote his first Trip Report on WDWmagic??? :ROFLOL:
Sad really. I think the thread is more news than trip report.

It's crazy if anyone really thinks that Spirit "enjoys hating the parks." If anything, it pains him (like it does me) that one of his favorite places in the world is actively being destroyed by its current management. It it upsetting and frustrating, especially in comparison to the first 25 or 30 years of its existence and the current operation of other "Disney Parks" across the globe.

And I agree with you, it certainly is maddening that conversation is repeated again and again.

Let's restate it - we love the parks, or we wouldn't be here, and we wouldn't be so passionate about them! We just wish the people who currently are running them cared as much as we do.
Ah-Ha!
Someone gets it!:sohappy:

Now then, can we discuss the important points of the thread?
Really bad sightlines in Storybook Circus. Horrible show quality in many attractions. Tigger covered by a black blanket with the tag showing. SotMK being distracting and intrusive.
(He didn't even mention the missing dolls and mold in Small World.)
 

disney fan 13

Well-Known Member
*sigh*
Attacking the messeger instead of the message.

Where to begin...

Firstly, as Martin said "Fanboy" or "Fanboi" is not a derogatory term. I (somewhat grudgingly) will admit to being one, as will Spirit.
The "fanboi" or to use the current term from inside the company "foamer" is the negative term. It is somewhat synonymous what is known hereabouts as a "pixie-duster" who can see no wrong. The overzealous sort.
And yes, there are many indise the Walt Disney Co. who look upon it's fans in a very negative light, and do not hesitate to use derogatory terms to describe them. Never forget, to them you are not really a guest, you are a walking $. Last thing they want to deal with are $s with opinions or attitudes. It gets in the way of the spending.

Right there with ya, buddy.


Complete and total hogwash. WDW can/and will return to it's former glory just as soon as it is being run by a team that cares about such things as show, quality and value. Nothing at all to do with "business trajectories", that's just silly.
Look at Disneyland and the turnaround it saw between 2003-2005 when a competant leadership team took over. WDW needs itself some Ouimet, stat!

The illustrious Spirit get's special treatment everywhere he goes, not just Disney parks. Besides, he does actually pay for that AP he has had continuously for the last few decades.

According to the telephonic trip report I got from him, yes. Just not at MK, particularly. He seemed to quite enjoy DHS and Epcot.


Some may scoff...but they have no idea how accurate that post really is.


Sad really. I think the thread is more news than trip report.


Ah-Ha!
Someone gets it!:sohappy:

Now then, can we discuss the important points of the thread?
Really bad sightlines in Storybook Circus. Horrible show quality in many attractions. Tigger covered by a black blanket with the tag showing. SotMK being distracting and intrusive.
(He didn't even mention the missing dolls and mold in Small World.)

hmmmm interesting... Was there mold on the dolls or was the mold on the set?
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
*sigh*
Attacking the messeger instead of the message.

Where to begin...

Firstly, as Martin said "Fanboy" or "Fanboi" is not a derogatory term. I (somewhat grudgingly) will admit to being one, as will Spirit.
The "fanboi" or to use the current term from inside the company "foamer" is the negative term. It is somewhat synonymous what is known hereabouts as a "pixie-duster" who can see no wrong. The overzealous sort.
And yes, there are many indise the Walt Disney Co. who look upon it's fans in a very negative light, and do not hesitate to use derogatory terms to describe them. Never forget, to them you are not really a guest, you are a walking $. Last thing they want to deal with are $s with opinions or attitudes. It gets in the way of the spending.
I find this interesting Lee. Regarding the internal reference to "fanboi" or "foamer", is this limited to just TDO or all of TWDC?

You also imply that foamer = pixie-dust snorter; however, obviously around here that has the connotation as you stated involves people who are happy with the product regardless of it's quality.

So are you saying that TWDC has a degree of contempt for their online supporters who blindly see only positive? Or is the converse what you are implying, that foamers are folks who trend more to the negative side?

The company perception of their fan base is intriguing to me.
 

Lee

Adventurer
I find this interesting Lee. Regarding the internal reference to "fanboi" or "foamer", is this limited to just TDO or all of TWDC?
I've heard it from folks at varying levels of the company, on both coasts.

You also imply that foamer = pixie-dust snorter; however, obviously around here that has the connotation as you stated involves people who are happy with the product regardless of it's quality.

So are you saying that TWDC has a degree of contempt for their online supporters who blindly see only positive? Or is the converse what you are implying, that foamers are folks who trend more to the negative side?

The company perception of their fan base is intriguing to me.

It can be quite confusing, as I have heard the terms used in a variety of ways.
"Foamer" is most often used in describing the "Pixie-Duster" type who can see no wrong, but also can refer to the "Fanboy" who loves the place, but sees all the wrong and doesn't keep quiet about it. Basically, anyone who "cares too much" either way is considered a "foamer".

I don't think they necessarily have "contempt" for their online supporters who only see positive. I think they appreciate the blind support, as it balances out what they see as the real problem...folks like Spirit (and myself) who have no fear in pointing out every mistake they see. We try to pull back the curtain a bit from time to time to show the inner workings of things...they don't like that.
As I said, to many of those in power, we are all just walking $. $s that must be kept entertained and pleased at a certain level to ensure that we continue to spend.
 

Scuttle

Well-Known Member
hmmmm interesting... Was there mold on the dolls or was the mold on the set?

Small world is in horrible shape. The queue is deterioratng and yes there is mold everywhere. The hippos eye has been broke since atleast October showing that TDO doesn't even care. If a slow boat ride let's you see all the broken animatronics do you all think the Yeti will ever be fixed when you go by at 50 mph? No way in hell. It's so sad. TDO can't even spell show quality.
 

HMButler79

Member
*sigh*
Attacking the messeger instead of the message.

Where to begin...

Firstly, as Martin said "Fanboy" or "Fanboi" is not a derogatory term. I (somewhat grudgingly) will admit to being one, as will Spirit.
The "fanboi" or to use the current term from inside the company "foamer" is the negative term. It is somewhat synonymous what is known hereabouts as a "pixie-duster" who can see no wrong. The overzealous sort.
And yes, there are many indise the Walt Disney Co. who look upon it's fans in a very negative light, and do not hesitate to use derogatory terms to describe them. Never forget, to them you are not really a guest, you are a walking $. Last thing they want to deal with are $s with opinions or attitudes. It gets in the way of the spending.

Right there with ya, buddy.


Complete and total hogwash. WDW can/and will return to it's former glory just as soon as it is being run by a team that cares about such things as show, quality and value. Nothing at all to do with "business trajectories", that's just silly.
Look at Disneyland and the turnaround it saw between 2003-2005 when a competant leadership team took over. WDW needs itself some Ouimet, stat!

The illustrious Spirit get's special treatment everywhere he goes, not just Disney parks. Besides, he does actually pay for that AP he has had continuously for the last few decades.

According to the telephonic trip report I got from him, yes. Just not at MK, particularly. He seemed to quite enjoy DHS and Epcot.


Some may scoff...but they have no idea how accurate that post really is.


Sad really. I think the thread is more news than trip report.


Ah-Ha!
Someone gets it!:sohappy:

Now then, can we discuss the important points of the thread?
Really bad sightlines in Storybook Circus. Horrible show quality in many attractions. Tigger covered by a black blanket with the tag showing. SotMK being distracting and intrusive.
(He didn't even mention the missing dolls and mold in Small World.)

Then how much more must we suffer with her Imperial Majesty Queen Megara? She should have been gone after the Mono accident. :fork:
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
I've heard it from folks at varying levels of the company, on both coasts.

It can be quite confusing, as I have heard the terms used in a variety of ways.
"Foamer" is most often used in describing the "Pixie-Duster" type who can see no wrong, but also can refer to the "Fanboy" who loves the place, but sees all the wrong and doesn't keep quiet about it. Basically, anyone who "cares too much" either way is considered a "foamer".
Gotcha. Thanks for the insight.

I don't think they necessarily have "contempt" for their online supporters who only see positive. I think they appreciate the blind support, as it balances out what they see as the real problem...folks like Spirit (and myself) who have no fear in pointing out every mistake they see. We try to pull back the curtain a bit from time to time to show the inner workings of things...they don't like that.
I'm not s__________g up, but if I were Disney, I would be more worried about folks like you and Martin who have cultivated a non-confrontational reputation and opinions have obviously gradually changed over the years. '74's opinions can easily be dismissed because of the surrounding antagonism associated with them.

At least that is my personal opinion. Whether or not TWDC shares them is rather inconsequential.

As I said, to many of those in power, we are all just walking $. $s that must be kept entertained and pleased at a certain level to ensure that we continue to spend.
That's true of any company. Not defending it, but just pointing out is universality.
 

Pitchforkman

New Member
Um, I didn't say created, I said coined but whatever ... I had never heard it before the 1990s in Glendale. If you know where it was first used, by all means please tell the classs ...



No childish attacks. Just pointed sarcasm. Be a grownup and deal.

And if you disagree about SotMK please why don't you talk about that instead of whining about my posting style. Or is that your purpose here (we have had a lot of trolls of late that seem to enjoy baiting longtime members).

Do you disagree with my FACTs about SoTMK, or just my opinions?:rolleyes:


Lol adults dont use pointed sarcasm. Maybe you should grow up and learn how to not attack people.

Your facts about SotMK? I saw you state nothing but opinions. As I said before me, my friend, and my young nephew all played it and had a ton of fun. The screens blended in well to the environments, the sound was not overall loud. It is something we would do again.
 

WDWFigment

Well-Known Member
...if I were Disney, I would be more worried about folks like you and Martin who have cultivated a non-confrontational reputation and opinions have obviously gradually changed over the years. '74's opinions can easily be dismissed because of the surrounding antagonism associated with them.

I agree. Regardless of whether I agree with much of what WDW1974 says (and I do), I think a lot of people dismiss the substance of his commentary out-of-hand because of the delivery.

It's interesting (to me, at least): on the one hand I think his threads attract a lot more eyeballs because people wonder what he'll say next, but on the other hand, his actual message is usually lost because of the comments that follow his initial posts taking issue with the posting style.

Look at the replies in this thread: how many discuss the form? How many discuss the actual substance? If the goal is actually thought-provoking discussion on the substance of the initial post, it would seem to me that a change in posting-style might be in order. I know he has already said that he won't do this, but if enlightened discussion is actually the goal, it would behoove him to adjust his style of posting. It's pretty clear that no amount of responses saying, "let's focus on the substance," are going to make people do that. There's only guaranteed way to make people focus on the substance...

As it stands, the form of these posts obfuscates the substance. If I were with Disney, I'd be pretty pleased by that!
 

Scuttle

Well-Known Member
Lol adults dont use pointed sarcasm. Maybe you should grow up and learn how to not attack people.

Your facts about SotMK? I saw you state nothing but opinions. As I said before me, my friend, and my young nephew all played it and had a ton of fun. The screens blended in well to the environments, the sound was not overall loud. It is something we would do again.

Seriously? No they don't blend in well and they are absolutely loud and obnoxious and ruin the entire feel of the area of the land. They ruin the ambiance of each land and I don't know how anyone can argue that.
 

devoy1701

Well-Known Member
Lol adults dont use pointed sarcasm. Maybe you should grow up and learn how to not attack people.

Your facts about SotMK? I saw you state nothing but opinions. As I said before me, my friend, and my young nephew all played it and had a ton of fun. The screens blended in well to the environments, the sound was not overall loud. It is something we would do again.



:eek:

since when?
 

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
Seriously? No they don't blend in well and they are absolutely loud and obnoxious and ruin the entire feel of the area of the land. They ruin the ambiance of each land and I don't know how anyone can argue that.

I'll take up that torch for our friendly neighborhood S.H.I.E.L.D. member.

You just hate DisneyWorld. You hate Iger. You just can't see past all your hate.

That about accurate?
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
Seriously? No they don't blend in well and they are absolutely loud and obnoxious and ruin the entire feel of the area of the land. They ruin the ambiance of each land and I don't know how anyone can argue that.
I haven't played the game and just happened to be in the parks as the same time as the beta.

During the day they aren't horrible, but at night they are very, very bright.

They do make sound that can be noticeable. I'm not sure I would go so far as to say obnoxious.

I think jarring is the right word for it.
 

COProgressFan

Well-Known Member
I'm not s__________g up, but if I were Disney, I would be more worried about folks like you and Martin who have cultivated a non-confrontational reputation and opinions have obviously gradually changed over the years. '74's opinions can easily be dismissed because of the surrounding antagonism associated with them.

There are always going to be complainers. I don't believe that Spirit is one of them, but even if TDO thought he was just a whiner with no legitimate gripes, they should be much more concerned about the folks whose attitudes about WDW have changed in recent years. Even just 4 or 5 years ago, most people on sites like this seemed to have very favorable views of WDW. But as time has passed, I believe more and more folks are seeing the problems. There is a very different tone on the boards now than there was a few years back, as people have become dissatisfied with some aspects of their WDW experiences. Disney P&R should be very concerned about this, but it seems like they're not.

When grandmas in line behind me can point out a dirty queue, or when parents have to tell their kids about parade floats being broken as the are pulled dark and lifeless down Main Street, then they should really be concerned. The casual guests notice these things, only they don't go on message boards to complain. They either just don't come back, or tell their friends and neighbors not to bother going because the place is old/dirty/expensive and not quite as "magical" as all those commercials would have them expect.
 

Register on WDWMAGIC. This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.

Back
Top Bottom