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[Cesar R M]

Here's a letter sent by Hasbro's legal counsel to a fan site a year or two ago.

As well as an article about a specific instance this year.
http://www.dailydot.com/fandom/brony-my-little-pony-princess-molestia-deleted/

I'm honestly thankful for the removal of princess molestia for two reasons

a) it was a cartoon for little girl, and they transformed the series into horrible rapetastic filled with rape and abuse jokes.. it screamed pedo left and right.
It was also hilarious to see how many bronies got so ed (or in online therms "butthurt" )
b) Its not the only case where a cartoon of little children were completely disfigured.. like the "cup cakes" saga where pinkie pie was a psychopath murderer that made Hannibal look like a cute puppy.

Tomorrow's topic:

Brownies​

I am extremely ok with this.
Reminds me.. only 2 places have acceptable tasting brownies in my town.. I AM DISSAPOINT.

 

[Cesar R M]

And if Hasbro wanted to, they could always trademark the term "Brony" to make their case absolutely solid.

Can Hasbro really trademark that term? the fans actually created the whole thing.

I had never heard of bronies before I read the term here. It's one of a few disturbing things I've learned existed from this thread along with that janitor guy on Twitter who hates everyone on WDWMagic.

Well, the brony subculture as the tendency of catering to the worst of the worst imho. (on the loud ones) from furries with very possible animal abuse () to severe mental issues and paedophiles.

 

[Goofyernmost]

MM+ will only be judged a success if, and only if, it can be proven that it has organically increases income by 11% without price increases and other forms of financial obfuscation. Based on recent price increases and unwillingness to address direct MM+ questions, it appears obfuscation is being used as a crutch.

Based on what is already seen of scope creep, botched project launch, and c-suite obfuscation, the miracle of MM+ has the appearance of 19th century snake oil show.

We don't do the judging, they do. If it isn't exactly what they planned, they will adjust their goals. It's good to be King!

 

[Cesar R M]

"A new power is rising.....its victory is at hand!"

oops, wrong fantasy series

Meh, Smaug is still more awesome

Star Wars will not come until after Disney Springs is finished. And after the parking lot main entrance is realigned.... Assuming those things happen.

So if it happens? 2020 at the earliest.

I still wonder why Disney doesnt push faster.. more workers.. more noise in less time but faster output!
pull a Walt where they built an entire thing in years, not decades!

 

[unkadug]

LOL....right! Are you his spokesperson? If you are then both of you are wrong! LOL

No... I don't think Dave needs a spokesperson. However, he is right and you are wrong, and I'm done discussing it.

 

[Cesar R M]

Including alcohol induced projectile vomiting. Good times.

Isnt that how people see EPCOT during the Food and Wine festivals nowadays?

Actually.....

The issues came down to crime. The adult environment was no longer contained and gang & criminal elements were becoming an issue.

But that's not what killed it.

Want to Disney executive of the name of Kevin Lansberry decided to take the turnstiles down as a test in an effort to increase alcohol sales on the street, that's what killed it. Death was not instantaneous but you went from having a contained adult environment where we had only adults in there that changed into an environment where Pandora's box was open, that's your problem right there.

The adult behavior could no longer be contained and it's people you did not want him there could no longer be kept out.

Really? they were attracting MAFIA types?

 

[Goofyernmost]

No it's failures were quite visible. What isn't clear is how much Disney is having to rethink and spend to correct the mistakes and how much confidence has been lost and is unrecoverable. We don't know if it's lost momentum and it's executive champions.

I think it's pretty obvious that no mm+ pitch would have included the sheer number of specialists and extra support they've needed.

Mm+ has been a mess - that's clear. We just don't know the consequences...

You could be right, however, since we were never really given the "total" details of the overall intention of the new system, I am not comfortable just out and out saying that it failed. You have even posted that there was way more to this system then ever was made public. I'd say that they might be looking at it differently then we, the uneducated of intent, do! Notice... I said "intent". I don't question your knowledge of systems.

 

[Funmeister]

Isnt that how people see EPCOT during the Food and Wine festivals nowadays?



Really? they were attracting MAFIA types?

Nope. Crime was a problem BEFORE they had turnstiles at PI. I have no idea why people listen to this guy like he knows it all. HE DOESN'T! The reason they put turnstiles in was because of the crime. The only crimes that were being committed at PI were the fanbois community hanging out at clubs and not buying drinks. The clubs were filled to capacity with "dead weight" night after night. Not just on CM Thursdays. There were many months where Cast Members could get in every day of the week which also did not help.

It was a business decision not a crime decision. If it was about crime then they would have closed West Side and Marketplace which neither one had turnstiles. I really wish he would stop spewing crap and feel he is an authority on everything because he is a "professional" photojournalist with a Disney annual pass.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Isnt that how people see EPCOT during the Food and Wine festivals nowadays?

Could be, I've never attended the Food & Wine Festival. At least they had to pay a large amount of entrance fee to get to that state. I have also never seen any vomiting on Mission: Space even though I have ridden it many, many times.

Pleasure Island, after spending only two times there, did witness it, more then once.

I agree that the loss of entrance fees to PI did go a long way to not only ending PI but, in a bigger sense Adventurers Club. That show was very personnel intensive, all performance CM's. The couple of times I went to it, I noticed, because it was so obvious, that people would buy a drink and nurse it throughout the whole evening. They were counting on liquor sales to pay the bills there. It didn't happen. It had somewhat the same cult following that is prevalent in DL.

 

[Funmeister]

Could be, I've never attended the Food & Wine Festival. At least they had to pay a large amount of entrance fee to get to that state. I have also never seen any vomiting on Mission: Space even though I have ridden it many, many times.

Pleasure Island, after spending only two times there, did witness it, more then once.

I agree that the loss of entrance fees to PI did go a long way to not only ending PI but, in a bigger sense Adventurers Club. That show was very personnel intensive, all performance CM's. The couple of times I went to it, I noticed, because it was so obvious, that people would buy a drink and nurse it throughout the whole evening. They were counting on liquor sales to pay the bills there. It didn't happen.

You mean PI didnt close due to taking down turnstiles as a test? WOW How could anyone get THAT one wrong? LOL

 

[Goofyernmost]

You mean PI didnt close due to taking down turnstiles as a test? WOW How could anyone get THAT one wrong? LOL

In a way, I did say that, because there was, for lack of a better description a cover charge to get into P.I. Without that they had to rely on the sale of booze and that didn't happen to the degree that was necessary to support it. That was an expensive area to run with no guarantee of enough sales to cover the CM intensive area.

 

[Funmeister]

In a way, I did say that, because there was, for lack of a better description a cover charge to get into P.I. Without that they had to rely on the sale of booze and that didn't happen to the degree that was necessary to support it. That was an expensive area to run with no guarantee of enough sales to cover the CM intensive area.

Yeah. The turnstile "test" issue is not what "did it in." The problem was already there and plans were already in the works. The extended Cast Member nights and the annual passes is what did it in not a silly test as some think. By the time the "test" happened there were plans already in motion to begin shutting it down. It did not shut down because of the "test."

 

[unkadug]

The ignorance never stops.

 

[GymLeaderPhil]

It was also a complete lack of interest to reinvest and improve Pleasure Island to keep it fresh. In true blue ocean strategy, they sucked it dry until they thought third party operating participants would generate even more revenue.

 

[flynnibus]

You could be right, however, since we were never really given the "total" details of the overall intention of the new system, I am not comfortable just out and out saying that it failed.

The system was not able to replicate all the functionality of the hotel system it replaced... Even common features. Fail

The system was buggy at launch requiring many many customers to be manually processed for linking tickets and profile problems -- in a system designed to be self service. Fail

Critical bugs that lead to leaking PII to other users. Fail

Unreliable association of profiles to bands that require tech assistance to correct--and still happening frequently. Fail

These are just examples showing just how poor the rollout was. That doesn't mean the entire program is a failure... It's working and running the resort now. These problems are things that can and have been corrected... But even when everything is smooth... It won't change how poor the rollout was

 

[Goofyernmost]

The system was not able to replicate all the functionality of the hotel system it replaced... Even common features. Fail

The system was buggy at launch requiring many many customers to be manually processed for linking tickets and profile problems -- in a system designed to be self service. Fail

Critical bugs that lead to leaking PII to other users. Fail

Unreliable association of profiles to bands that require tech assistance to correct--and still happening frequently. Fail

These are just examples showing just how poor the rollout was. That doesn't mean the entire program is a failure... It's working and running the resort now. These problems are things that can and have been corrected... But even when everything is smooth... It won't change how poor the rollout was

I don't disagree with any of that at all. It was pretty rough in the beginning as are most new systems that have not been proven and new. It was probably worse then they had anticipated, but, if they didn't anticipate some problems then they were all brain dead, in my opinion. The measuring tool will be how it ended up, not how it started.

 

[bhg469]

All I know is the amount of dead weight at DTD as a whole is still there. Taking up parking spots, not spending money, sitting in cars smoking weed in the parking lots while their kids run around cars. Lovely thing they have going on,

 

[GoofGoof]

Including alcohol induced projectile vomiting. Good times.

Boy I do miss that place. I never vomited, but I had some nights that included the room spins at 2am and a rough hang over the next day at rope drop. I can't do that stuff anymore anyway.

 

[GoofGoof]

Yeah. The turnstile "test" issue is not what "did it in." The problem was already there and plans were already in the works. The extended Cast Member nights and the annual passes is what did it in not a silly test as some think. By the time the "test" happened there were plans already in motion to begin shutting it down. It did not shut down because of the "test."

The company line is that guests wanted a more "family friendly" environment. Total BS. I tend to believe that money had a lot more to do with it. TDO felt they could make more by leasing out the space to 3rd party vendors. I think there is something also to the notion that some less desirable elements of a "family friendly" environment tended to frequent the place...and not just gangs and criminals. Ultimately I think economics played the biggest role.

 

[PhotoDave219]

LOL....right! Are you his spokesperson? If you are then both of you are wrong! LOL

Sorry, numbers are on my side. Clearly they don't fit your agenda.

Pleasure Island was fine until they took down the turnstiles. They made plenty of profits with little issues until they invited the general public inside.