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unkadug

unkadug

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Goofyernmost said:
Part of that problem is that it is pure conjecture that MM+ is a debacle. We simply do not know. It did some things that we didn't like so therefore it was a failure. Meanwhile, crowds continue to show up at the gates paying big bucks to get in. That is the true test of failure, not that we wish it were. Concerning Spectro, again we are forgetting that they may have wanted to trash that parade for whatever reasons they might have, we do not know that. Once again, I have to question what harm came from not doing anything with Pleasure Island. Seems like they have now taken that opportunity, planned or otherwise, to do much more then what was originally thought.

The only thing that I see as unadulterated stupidity is letting attraction buildings stay empty and giving the appearance of a ghost town in the parks. That is something that registers subtly in the minds of people without them even being aware of it consciously. It shows up both in Epcot and DHS, but as a real target for concern is DHS. It is a park without a focus. I don't think that they really know what to do with it. It was originally built to compete with Uni, but, Uni had the good fortune of not being shackled by expectations and could do anything they wanted to do. I think that they really intended to make DHS (Disney MGM) a working studio which would have completely changed what we are looking at today. Someone didn't do their homework and didn't stop and think that if all the talent lives in California, they are not likely to spend a whole lot of time in the "where people go to die" State of Florida. That was a major miscalculation.

They know that they have a big head start on Uni. They know that they can take their time in building new stuff, accumulate profits and then build something and always stay ahead in quantities and draw. It is a situation that all companies would like to find themselves in.
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Why is there a difference in letting Pleasure Island stay an empty ghost town and letting vacant attraction buildings stay empty? Don't the same unconscious rules apply in both cases?
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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unkadug said:
Why is there a difference in letting Pleasure Island stay an empty ghost town and letting vacant attraction buildings stay empty? Don't the same unconscious rules apply in both cases?
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Because Pleasure Island was not a theme park with rides and attractions. Pleasure Island was a place that only a tiny percentage of WDW guest ever went to (probably why it closed down). It affected very few people. Most that passed through it did so in the daytime, which they did even during the day when it was primarily closed, so the nighttime darkness never even was seen much less concerned about.
 
unkadug

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Goofyernmost said:
Because Pleasure Island was not a theme park with rides and attractions. Pleasure Island was a place that only a tiny percentage of WDW guest ever went to (probably why it closed down). It affected very few people. Most that passed through it did so in the daytime, which they did even during the day when it was primarily closed, so the nighttime darkness never even was seen much less concerned about.
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Pleasure Island certainly had it share of attractions.
 
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khale1970

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bhg469 said:
I bet it will work longer than the yeti.
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If it doesn't move, keeping it working longer than the yeti wouldn't be all the remarkable. Refill the propane tank on occasion and keep the "guy with the shaking hand holding a match in front of the nozzle" position staffed up and UNI should be good to go. But I'm assuming it will move because it would seem like such a bad decision not to put some movement into it. Therefore I agree that it will move and fully function longer than the yeti.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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Kman101 said:
That's your opinion, Goofyernmost. You don't know that as a fact.
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Of course it's my opinion. I don't have any relatives on the inside. I'm assuming you are talking about the first part or for that matter the second part as well, and every single word that anyone has read here on these boards are opinions. What I have said, is what makes sense to me. Mileage will vary!
 
Kman101

Kman101

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And what makes sense to me is that MM+ has caused certain spending to be curtailed, and that many guests probably do notice the empty Pleasure Island section and leave confused as to why it's even there and what the buildings are for. Is what it is.
 
PhotoDave219

PhotoDave219

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Goofyernmost said:
Because Pleasure Island was not a theme park with rides and attractions. Pleasure Island was a place that only a tiny percentage of WDW guest ever went to (probably why it closed down). It affected very few people. Most that passed through it did so in the daytime, which they did even during the day when it was primarily closed, so the nighttime darkness never even was seen much less concerned about.
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Actually.....

The issues came down to crime. The adult environment was no longer contained and gang & criminal elements were becoming an issue.

But that's not what killed it.

Want to Disney executive of the name of Kevin Lansberry decided to take the turnstiles down as a test in an effort to increase alcohol sales on the street, that's what killed it. Death was not instantaneous but you went from having a contained adult environment where we had only adults in there that changed into an environment where Pandora's box was open, that's your problem right there.

The adult behavior could no longer be contained and it's people you did not want him there could no longer be kept out.
 
Nubs70

Nubs70

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Goofyernmost said:
Part of that problem is that it is pure conjecture that MM+ is a debacle. We simply do not know. It did some things that we didn't like so therefore it was a failure. Meanwhile, crowds continue to show up at the gates paying big bucks to get in. That is the true test of failure, not that we wish it were. Concerning Spectro, again we are forgetting that they may have wanted to trash that parade for whatever reasons they might have, we do not know that. Once again, I have to question what harm came from not doing anything with Pleasure Island. Seems like they have now taken that opportunity, planned or otherwise, to do much more then what was originally thought.

The only thing that I see as unadulterated stupidity is letting attraction buildings stay empty and giving the appearance of a ghost town in the parks. That is something that registers subtly in the minds of people without them even being aware of it consciously. It shows up both in Epcot and DHS, but as a real target for concern is DHS. It is a park without a focus. I don't think that they really know what to do with it. It was originally built to compete with Uni, but, Uni had the good fortune of not being shackled by expectations and could do anything they wanted to do. I think that they really intended to make DHS (Disney MGM) a working studio which would have completely changed what we are looking at today. Someone didn't do their homework and didn't stop and think that if all the talent lives in California, they are not likely to spend a whole lot of time in the "where people go to die" State of Florida. That was a major miscalculation.

They know that they have a big head start on Uni. They know that they can take their time in building new stuff, accumulate profits and then build something and always stay ahead in quantities and draw. It is a situation that all companies would like to find themselves in.
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MM+ will only be judged a success if, and only if, it can be proven that it has organically increases income by 11% without price increases and other forms of financial obfuscation. Based on recent price increases and unwillingness to address direct MM+ questions, it appears obfuscation is being used as a crutch.

Based on what is already seen of scope creep, botched project launch, and c-suite obfuscation, the miracle of MM+ has the appearance of 19th century snake oil show.
 
the.dreamfinder

the.dreamfinder

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PhotoDave219 said:
Actually.....

The issues came down to crime. The adult environment was no longer contained and gang & criminal elements were becoming an issue.

But that's not what killed it.

Want to Disney executive of the name of Kevin Lansberry decided to take the turnstiles down as a test in an effort to increase alcohol sales on the street, that's what killed it. Death was not instantaneous but you went from having a contained adult environment where we had only adults in there that changed into an environment where Pandora's box was open, that's your problem right there.

The adult behavior could no longer be contained and it's people you did not want him there could no longer be kept out.
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And UNI has a similar problem with CityWalk.
 
the.dreamfinder

the.dreamfinder

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You know which resort should get a Frozen attraction first? Tokyo, that's who.
http://deadline.com/2014/05/frozen-...highest-grossing-movie-of-all-time-worldwide/
Frozen, Disney’s animated family film just keeps breaking box office records. After this weekend with the remaining international territories all in, it has just iced the studio’s own Iron Man 3 to become the fifth highest-grossing film of all time globally. Frozen‘s gross now is a whopping $1.219B (yes, as in billion) compared to Disney/Marvel‘s Iron Man 3‘s $1.215B.

Disney and the filmmakers have the Japanese, in large part, to thank as it has been been sitting in the No. 1 post in the Land of the Rising Sun for 11 straight weekends to take in an incredible $193.7M to date. It is the No. 4 film of all time in Japan and Disney’s largest grosser of all time in the country (live action and animation, including Pixar). It is the No. 3 Western movie, only behind James Cameron’s Titanic and Warner Bros.’ Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone.
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Funmeister

Funmeister

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PhotoDave219 said:
Actually.....

The issues came down to crime. The adult environment was no longer contained and gang & criminal elements were becoming an issue.

But that's not what killed it.

Want to Disney executive of the name of Kevin Lansberry decided to take the turnstiles down as a test in an effort to increase alcohol sales on the street, that's what killed it. Death was not instantaneous but you went from having a contained adult environment where we had only adults in there that changed into an environment where Pandora's box was open, that's your problem right there.

The adult behavior could no longer be contained and it's people you did not want him there could no longer be kept out.
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No. Not 100% correct. The main reason why PI was shuttered was because there were early plans to revitalize it due to the realization of the value of the square footage across the island. They realized that the club space was worth WAY more as a merchandise location and/or restaurant than a dance floor or bar or a place where Disney fans hung out for hours without buying drinks.

If that is the case then why did it sit there for so long empty? There were plans (even before Hyperion Wharf) but like everything else (see theme parks) Disney has no sense of urgency to move forward....pretty much on anything.

Taking turnstiles down as a test to increase alcohol sales on the street? Nope! Get your facts straight and "suck it up buttercup" that you got this one wrong.

#wrong #photodave219iswrong
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

Premium Member
Goofyernmost said:
Part of that problem is that it is pure conjecture that MM+ is a debacle.
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No it's failures were quite visible. What isn't clear is how much Disney is having to rethink and spend to correct the mistakes and how much confidence has been lost and is unrecoverable. We don't know if it's lost momentum and it's executive champions.

I think it's pretty obvious that no mm+ pitch would have included the sheer number of specialists and extra support they've needed.

Mm+ has been a mess - that's clear. We just don't know the consequences...
 
unkadug

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
Funmeister said:
No. Not 100% correct. The main reason why PI was shuttered was because there were early plans to revitalize it due to the realization of the value of the square footage across the island. They realized that the club space was worth WAY more as a merchandise location and/or restaurant than a dance floor or bar or a place where Disney fans hung out for hours without buying drinks.

If that is the case then why did it sit there for so long empty? There were plans (even before Hyperion Wharf) but like everything else (see theme parks) Disney has no sense of urgency to move forward....pretty much on anything.

Taking turnstiles down as a test to increase alcohol sales on the street? Nope! Get your facts straight and "suck it up buttercup" that you got this one wrong.

#wrong #photodave219iswrong
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You seem to be a little confused on your Disney History there. Perhaps it's time for YOU to get your facts straight.
 

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