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PhotoDave219

PhotoDave219

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TalkingHead said:
Please tell me some of you have noticed the Twitter craziness the last couple of days with Prince Valiant's wife cyber-bullying some other Disney Twitter personality.

Not to mention, Prince Valiant himself was obviously peeved by Attractions and TPR's video that showed the cottage at the end of Mine Train. He claimed he was told not to show the end of the ride.

And then he complained tonight about the Mine Train dedication time being too early in the morning.

Oh, how I wish the Spirited One was around to mock this mess!
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Yes, I'm well aware of the situation. The victim is a friend of mine and there's no need to bring all of that into this forum. This has been an on-going situation involving many victims for at least 18 months.
 
truecoat

truecoat

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Goofyernmost said:
Personally, I make fun of anyone that "dresses up" as a fictional character from a movie (if they don't work for the company that owns it) and are over the age of 13. There are ways to be a fan without having to be childlike in a superficial way.
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There's a college in Japan where the graduates can dress how they like on graduation day. This is probably my favorite.

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stevehousse

stevehousse

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Bairstow said:
Between Godzilla, Jupiter Ascending, X-men 6, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, Guardians of the Galaxy, and All You Need Is Kill Edge of Tomorrow, I actually think it's unusually strong.
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I agree! This summer looks great for movies, however, May is extremely overbooked with too many headlining films! It'll be interesting to see how all the May movies do.

Nothing is going to compare to 2015 at the box office! Its summer movie madness spread out all year with such huge films!
 
truecoat

truecoat

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PhotoDave219 said:
Yes, I'm well aware of the situation. The victim is a friend of mine and there's no need to bring all of that into this forum. This has been an on-going situation involving many victims for at least 18 months.
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I'm not sure I would consider myself a victim if my twitter account was being bullied. I'd just make a new account.
 
Magenta Panther

Magenta Panther

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I'm very eager to see How To Train Your Dragon 2. I saw the first five minutes of it online..it looks awesome. As to how well it will do in theaters...it depends on how much Dreamworks spent on it. After all, Peabody and Sherman has raked in over 200 million worldwide, but since the movie cost 145 million to make, that's not enough for the film to take in a profit (although DVD sales may help it a bit). Too bad, too; I quite liked it. Anyway, I'm really rooting for Dragons 2 to do well. It's my favorite of all the Dreamworks films.
 
Animaniac93-98

Animaniac93-98

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the.dreamfinder said:
But it needed to make 700 million dollars to get into the black.
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I believe the poster I quoted meant "bomb" as in nobody went to see it, which wasn't true (if that was implied). It even made an additional $50 million + in US DVD/Blu-ray sales.

The $700 million factored in the cost of publicity. The actual production budget was $200-$215 million, so I suspect at least that was recovered.

I don't expect Maleficent to do any better though.
 
the.dreamfinder

the.dreamfinder

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NoChesterHester said:
Only by Hollywood accounting.
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No, not by "Hollywood Accounting". According to Box Office Mojo, the film cost $215 million to make. A film Oz's size would require a marketing budget in the ballpark of $100 million. So now we are looking at a $315 million spend, at least, before any tickets have been sold. Worldwide, Oz made $493 million, but it is not in the black because it did not make more than double its budget. For a film to be considered profitable, ignoring "Hollywood Accounting", it must make double its production and marketing budget reason being that the studios and exhibitors split ticket revenues. However, not all of these splits are equal. In the US, Oz's largest market, studios and exhibitors split ticket revenue roughly 50-50, but that percentage can vary all around the world. At the moment, China is notorious for only allowing American studios 20-25 percent of the receipts from the grosses of their films. Something to keep in mind with films at this scale, they will always go into the black… eventually thanks to Home Video, Pay TV, Basic Cable/Broadcast TV, etc. Hell, Fantasia didn't turn a profit until the late fifties early sixties.

Now to address "Hollywood Accounting", you are referring to a process where the sharp pencil boys hide the profits films make to avoid tax bills. That's it. Even if Disney tells the IRS Frozen didn't make any money, read profit, that doesn't mean it didn't double it's production and marketing spend, which it most clearly did, therefore putting it in the black.
 
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truecoat

truecoat

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the.dreamfinder said:
No, not by "Hollywood Accounting". According to Box Office Mojo, the film cost $215 million to make. A film Oz's size would require a marketing budget in the ballpark of $100 million. So no we are looking at a $315 million spend, at least, before any tickets have been sold. Worldwide, Oz made $493 million, but it is not in the black because it did not make more than its budget. For a film to be considered profitable, ignoring "Hollywood Accounting", it must make double its production and marketing budget reason being that the studios and exhibitors split ticket revenues. However, not all of these splits are equal. In the US, Oz's largest market, studios and exhibitors split ticket revenue roughly 50-50, but that percentage can vary all around the world. At the moment, China is notorious for only allowing American studios 20-25 percent of the receipts from the grosses of their films. Something to keep in mind with films at this scale, they will always go into the black… eventually thanks to Home Video, Pay TV, Basic Cable/Broadcast TV, etc. Hell, Fantasia didn't turn a profit until the late fifties early sixties.

Now to address "Hollywood Accounting", you are referring to a process where the sharp pencil boys hide the profits films make to avoid tax bills. That's it. Even if Disney tells the IRS Frozen didn't make any money, read profit, that doesn't mean it didn't double it's production and marketing spend, which it most clearly did, therefore putting it in the black.
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There's a great article from 2011 about how the actor who played the helmet less Darth Vader has never received any residuals from Return of the Jedi. A movie making almost half a billion dollars at the box office while costing only $35 million has not made a profit as of 2011.
 
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SoupBone

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TalkingHead said:
Please tell me some of you have noticed the Twitter craziness the last couple of days with Prince Valiant's wife cyber-bullying some other Disney Twitter personality.

Not to mention, Prince Valiant himself was obviously peeved by Attractions and TPR's video that showed the cottage at the end of Mine Train. He claimed he was told not to show the end of the ride.

And then he complained tonight about the Mine Train dedication time being too early in the morning.

Oh, how I wish the Spirited One was around to mock this mess!
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You guys always talk in riddles here, and it's nearly impossible to decipher. So no, I have no idea what you're talking about. :hilarious:
 
Mr. Peabody

Mr. Peabody

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Rodan75 said:
Anyone else wondering how much longer Katzenberg can keep DWA a solo company? http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dreamworks-animation-takes-57m-impairment-699590

How much longer can he keep giving the same spiel? And who would buy him out? Fox, Sony and Uni all see to have placed their bets on other horses.
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GiveMeTheMusic said:
Their status as an independent publicly traded animation studio causes a lot of unnecessary pressure.
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DWA has made several moves recently to diversify their business - acquiring an online channel and Classic Media, their deal with Netflix, for instance. They're even building their own entertainment complex in Shanghai. Part of their motivation is probably to relieve the pressure brought on by a business model that is so reliant on box office performance. Despite their recent streak of underperforming movies, I don't think DWA is going to be swallowed up anytime soon.

EDIT: I now realize that I was quite wrong....so, yeah, uh....well, this is embarrassing, uh.....I guess, move along, nothing to see here :D
 
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lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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truecoat said:
There's a great article from 2011 about how the actor who played the helmet less Darth Vader has never received any residuals from Return of the Jedi. A movie making almost half a billion dollars at the box office while costing only $35 million has not made a profit as of 2011.
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Something similar happened to Winston Groom, the author of Forrest Gump. He refused to sell the rights to the sequel at the time because it 'would be wrong of him to knowingly sell the sequel to a flop.'
 
Cosmic Commando

Cosmic Commando

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"I get these occasional letters from Lucasfilm saying that we regret to inform you that as Return of the Jedi has never gone into profit, we've got nothing to send you. Now here we're talking about one of the biggest releases of all time," said Prowse. "I don't want to look like I'm about it," he said, "but on the other hand, if there's a pot of gold somewhere that I ought to be having a share of, I would like to see it."

http://www.theatlantic.com/business...make-a-450-million-movie-unprofitable/245134/
 

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