At the risk of waking sleeping crazies, in my best Jimmy Thick ''I want to meet the MFer who came up with this piece of pooh so I can break his/her nose!''
What a horrible 'thing' that is.
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At the risk of waking sleeping crazies, in my best Jimmy Thick ''I want to meet the MFer who came up with this piece of pooh so I can break his/her nose!''
What a horrible 'thing' that is.
the.dreamfinder
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Not so sure. Imagine DCA 1.0 going up against Islands of Adventure.
Californian Elitist
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DAK did pretty well going against IOA. And plenty of Disney fanbois , who didn't get the park then and don't get it now, weren't thrilled with 'Disney's half-day zoo' ... And on that note, I am outta here.
Californian Elitist
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Right. I think the criticisms probably wouldn't have been as bad.
englanddg
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Lol you mean WDW are just as rabid as DL fans.
Round and round we go! <grin>
I'm flattered if you really think so. "new media", SEO and all this crap is a thorn in my side, and just annoys me. Disney does it so poorly, it annoys me even more.
longer, not wider
from this factsheet:
Length 964 feet (984 feet after dry dock)
Also, the new larger Panama Canal locks were supposed to open in Oktober 2014, but already in 2012 that date was pushed back to April 2015. With everything I know about large building projects, I would guess an opening in late 2015 would still be very optimistic. So if one wants a ship on the West Coast in 2015, I would not count on a dreamy or fantastic ship making it there.
BryceM
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I think what he was trying to say is that since both IOA and DCA were built around the same time, IOA would have made DCA look even worse.
The sad thing is that if DCA 1.0 was built in Florida around the same time Islands of Adventure opened, it would've attracted more guests simply because of Universal's bad marketing for Islands of Adventure and DCA having "Disney" in the name.
Darth Sidious
Authentically Disney Distinctly Chinese
I have friends who are not fans of this at all filling my Facebook timeline with Simpsons land.... They did an awesome job once again. Universal is on their A game and Disney hasn't answered yet. Any news if they even plan to go full out take back the crown mode against Uni? And when?
Californian Elitist
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Oh yeah, I was definitely agreeing with that. I was saying I don't think Orlando guests would have been as harsh and brutal as Californians had DCA opened in Florida. Interesting to think about.
sweetpee_1993
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Yep. Current Panamax just does squeeze the length of the classic ships in. And, I'm with you on safely assuming the current completion date of early 2015 will end up closer to the end of the year if not early 2016. The only option if Disney really wanted a Dream-y ship out west would be to sail it all the way down & around the horn. Not impossible to do but one would wonder just how bad the mouse would want a particular ship out west.
The interesting thing I'm getting off this whole conversation is what exactly is being added to the bow or stern of the ship to add 20 feet of length? The Panamax dimensions specify that the overall length includes protrusions (above & below the waterline, I believe). I thought the new slide thing was more off the side. (?) Interesting. Guess I'll go slap this question on the cruise forum since it's prob'ly better off there. Still doubt I'd get a firm answer but it's worth a shot.
CDavid
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Especially after NGE, but even without that consideration am I the only one who has trouble believing Disney is really prepared to make large investments in both Animal Kingdom and the Studios at the same time? This is the same WDW which went several years without a major addition (and even prior to that we generally got maybe one new attraction per year property wide, while everything else just grew more stale).
Perhaps I am about to be surprised - I certainly hope so - but its just that history would suggest otherwise.
sweetpee_1993
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The Wonder will have to get a refit of she'll never compete with her sparkly sisters. Perhaps the canal completion will dictate the Wonder's drydock schedule. The West Coast does need a taste of the Dream class. I think there's a goldmine to be reaped.
asianway
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I believe there is a stipluation in the Port Canveral lease that requires the Dream class ships to remain for like 10 years.The Wonder will have to get a refit of she'll never compete with her sparkly sisters. Perhaps the canal completion will dictate the Wonder's drydock schedule. The West Coast does need a taste of the Dream class. I think there's a goldmine to be reaped.
Travel Junkie
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Yeah I agree. I think DCA 1.0 in Florida would have been criticized, but people would have still gone. Local Californian's tend to vote with their wallet more than in Florida. In California they not only complained, they stopped going, forcing Disney's hand.
It was mentioned that DCA in Florida would have been compared to IOA. Here we compared DCA to Tokyo Disney Sea that opened the same year and to what didn't open (Westcot and Disney Sea in Long Beach.)
RunnerEd
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The other thing with Disney ships going out west is the ongoing drug violence in Mexico. I wouldn't blame Mickey at all if he wanted to keep his shiny big boats away from that mess. With the Mexican west coast ports questionable as destinations, where would a 3-4 day cruise go from SoCal? I wouldn't mind going north and hitting San Francisco, wine country, Seattle, etc.
To take a perceived crown back, one has to feel as though the crown has been taken. I don't think they feel that yet. My guess is that if they are going to
it is so that they can feel as though they've kept the crown and fended off the attack from the usurpers.
sweetpee_1993
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It's very easy to become addicted, like I said. I think you've been on one more DCL voyage in three years than I have been since they've existed. And you've done the new ships, which I haven't yet.
I'd say moderation is good, especially since you haven't been to the international resorts or even, DLR, right?
But what's that you say about the Panama Canal? You know, that could be my 2014 Spirited Faux Top One Percent Spring Holiday!
Maybe it's the cold meds but I think you may have just indicated that I have a bit of a problem.
Is it bad that I'm perfectly okay with that? J/K. Right now the cruise vacations are a good fit for us on many levels. If I was totally opposed to any other travel I think I'd be worried. I'm just rollin' with the seasons of life. Plus, it's always in my mind that all but 1 of those future bookings are completely refundable until I hit the penalty phase. I'm never opposed to wiping them away in lieu of other things.Still haven't made it to DLR. Killin me. That's exactly what I wanted for our anniversary in September. Stupid commitment to the big extended family hoopla on the Allure of the Seas ((See?? I'm going to vacation AWAY from Disney!)) for Thanksgiving seriously limits the fundage for this shoe-horned afterthought of a 20th anniversary getaway. Whatever we do, we want a week. Hubby must take a week away from his project in the fall to hit the manhour numbers they need. We want our first trip out to DL to be the way we want it. Unfortunately, we want it to be at the DLH. Just the cost of the hotel for 6 nights, no tickets or food, is only a few hundred less than booking a week long cruise where pretty much all expenses are covered PLUS we'd be walking into about $300 in spending money. Basically, going to DLR would cost us double what the cruise would. That's pretty hard to overcome when funds are limited. There's also logistical things...I'll already be in Central Florida the 2nd week of September so the hubby would just be joining me vs. fly home then both of us fly west a few days later. We only have so many rewards miles to burn.
All that said, I'm still asking myself if I want DLR enough to compromise and stay offsite. Ugh. I just hate thinking I'd get there and be pining for something more so then I'd need to go back to do it again. Like wanting to go back on the Fantasy because I felt like I left way too much undone. It's like a psychological gumbo, idn't it???? ROFLMAO!Panama Canal. Wonder from Miami to San Diego sailing May 2, 2014. 15 nights. How's that for Faux Top One Percent? Don't even have to hunt down any disabled folks to impress your other faux one percenter friends.
**edit**
Literally just happened. Hubby got offered a job in Martinez, California. Mmmmm...much as I'd love to pounce it's just not enough money to cover the increase in living expense. But life is ever-changing so who knows? We may be on the moon come September, completely changing EVERYTHING. Ya just never know..
sweetpee_1993
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Is it 10 years? I knew of the contract but didn't know the time frame. Interesting.
sweetpee_1993
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Agreed and agreed. Hell, we found the 2 Yucatan/Mexican ports we just hit to be a bit on the aggressive side. Not at all accustomed to the abbrasive barking sales tactics so many seem to employ.
We'd sail itineraries that stopped in Mexico in the future but won't be very likely to step off the ship. Pair that with elevated cartel violence in particular ports of call and, well, Disney needs to think long & hard for sure.I take that back. In certain situations I would absolutely step off the ship and venture into Mexico. They sell antibiotics over the counter. Yes, I would go to buy meds.
Buuuut, I'm with you...would totally love a Pacific coaster with a few days in San Fran....another destination we seriously sized-up for the anniversary. Disney hotels are expensive. San Francisco's Union Square and Fisherman's Wharf aren't any different except Mickey will NOT be in any of the decor.
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