Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV

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lazyboy97o

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I said this in another thread but DCA should really stand for A Disney park, located in California, where you go on Adventures. It is a flex park for things that don't fit in Disneyland.

Monstropolis is not a perfect fit, but DLR's problem of finding a place to put all their new stuff is better than WDW's problem of not having enough new stuff.
The problem though is that without strong lands you end up for a dumping ground, a mess that has no internal logic. It's sort of what they tried in the first place.
 

lazyboy97o

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  • Thousands of acres of sold off property, including Celebration.
While I think it would have been nice to see Disney remain involved, I can forgive selling off the Celebration land. After Walt died, there was never any sort of real plan to significantly use holdings in Osceola County and they wanted more of a cut in the money flowing into the area.
 
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Radok Block

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7 books and 20+ hours of movies. There is still plenty of material. Off the top of my head, the flying car has a lot of potential as a stand alone ride. How about escape from Azkaban? A dark ride where you help Sirius escape the dementors. A whole dark forest area would be cool too. Giant spiders, unicorns and other mythical creatures from the movie.

Yep.

Forbidden Forest
The Burrow
Malfoy Manor
Grimmauld Place (where the portraits insult you)
The Whomping Willow/Shrieking Shack
Beauxbatons flying carriage/Durmstrang Ship
Triwizard Tournament challenge
Department of Mysteries
Godric's Hollow
The Horcrux Cave

You could do a Phase IV and even V pretty easily.
 

PeterAlt

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You know how difficult an anti-trust case is right? Companies like CVS own one of the biggest insurance companies and force the members to go to CVS pharmacy. The fact that still exists without governmental interference shows that the government could give a damn about a minuscule (in the grand scheme) agreement between two entertainment companies.
That doesn't change my opinion, though. What was that famous line by JFK? (the one about why we choose to do things)
 
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flynnibus

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You know how difficult an anti-trust case is right? Companies like CVS own one of the biggest insurance companies and force the members to go to CVS pharmacy. The fact that still exists without governmental interference shows that the government could give a damn about a minuscule (in the grand scheme) agreement between two entertainment companies.

FWIW...
That's not true... CVS Caremark customers are not tied to CVS (I know.. its my coverage) and the FTC did investigate CVS in the matter of CVS/Caremark but basically backed down. The issues were around anti-competitive behaviors (like sharing info, pricing issues, and guiding customers, etc). Customers use whatever pharmacy they want.
 

flynnibus

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Well with the villians party over last night... I hope when things are delivered on a silver platter to them... Disney can figure out how to productize their own product!

That's what Limited Time Magic could have been!!! Why did they insist on going all 'Who Wants to be a millionaire' and try to do it every week, running themselves into the ground and making it virtually impossible to do things of any substance?

It shows there is a adult fan base out there that still wants Disney-friendly entertainment !! There is a market out there beyond just scare houses! Obviously they have the IP that many grown people are interested in being entertained with. The sad thing is they can't seem to qualify this and manage it properly ahead of time. They missed so many opportunities to monetize the event, and at the same time couldn't estimate crowds at all.

This should be a wake-up call to them... If you put on good entertainment your fans are hunger for.. they will show up in droves! And when it's 'special' they will gladly pay for it! So get your $^#@ together Disney and put together unique entertainment WITHOUT ruining it by trying to offer it for 40 times in a year ala Halloween party.

Disney is sitting on treasure chest... and they still have a die-hard fanbase. They just can't seem to find that balance of how to milk it without killing the cow in the process.
 

71jason

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I think the difference comes to view of the park. Walt Disney was a model railroader. Got to a model railroad shop and you see guys fussing over details and things fitting together. They don't build anything and everything, they stick to specific topics. John Lasseter is a toy guy. Toys get mixed and matched all of the time, this is the whole inspirations behind and point of the toy box in Disney Infinity. To Walt, Disneyland was a massive model railroad; to John, the parks are a collection of toys.

Another late reply, but this is brilliant. Deserves to be posted again.
 

flynnibus

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Or here's another (scary??) thought...

30+ thousand people flocked to DHS on basically the promise of college aged kids in fur+fabric costumes.. and a fireworks show.

How many fur+fabric covered college aged kids does a $100+million dollar D-ticket budget buy you?

Imagine if meeting fur wasn't such a large commitment from the guest and it was part of the integrated experience of moving through the parks again?
 

danlb_2000

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I have something to add to that... MONORAIL FOOTERS!

I'm out of my hibernation and I have a new opinion (if any one cares).

I've often said that Disney needs to leverage their assets to get a better Marvel deal. I know others here have told me this, but I just now "got it"...

Disney makes money every time anyone visits WDW or USO! So, that Marvel deal actually is pretty sweet for Disney!

HOWEVER, it is ANTI-COMPETITIVE and, while it benefits Disney, it does NOT benefit the consumer, especially Disney customers!

THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the Federal Trade Commission launch an anti-trust investigation into anti-competitive practices of Walt Disney Enterprises enabled by the agreement the company had grandfathered into between its Marvel subsidiary and USO, it's biggest Central Florida "competitor".

Such an arrangement between rival competitors enables one company (WDE) to benefit without competition, since that company will benefit regardless of resort consumers choose on visiting. Under the United States anti-trust legal framework, the government has the power - as well as an obligation - to forcably nullify and invalidate the Marvel-USO deal!

It may not benefit the consumer, but it doesn't hurt them either. Uni having to pay Disney doesn't in any way reduce competition and doesn't hurt the consumer. By this argument you would also have to nullify any deals LEGOLAND has for the use of Star Wars since Disney ultimately ends up with some money from the deal also.

Not to mention that this is no different then the technology industry. When you buy a tech product (cell phone, tablet computer, Blu-ray player, etc.) from one company, odds are very good that some of that money is going to one of that companies competitors due to a patent licensing deal.
 
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PeterAlt

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It may not benefit the consumer, but it doesn't hurt them either. Uni having to pay Disney doesn't in any way reduce competition and doesn't hurt the consumer. By this argument you would also have to nullify any deals LEGOLAND has for the use of Star Wars since Disney ultimately ends up with some money from the deal also.

Not to mention that this is no different then the technology industry. When you buy a tech product (cell phone, tablet computer, Blu-ray player, etc.) from one company, odds are very good that some of that money is going to one of that companies competitors due to a patent licensing deal.
You sold me on your tech industry point. Apple pays Blackberry an undisclosed amount to use their technogy in iPhone. Microsoft pays Apple an undisclosed amount for technogy in Surface. This is just a couple of examples, and there are many.
 

RSoxNo1

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I know it's a copy. It's still a Los Angeles reference, though.

Pan Pacific Auditorium in Los Angeles:

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When I said "entrance", I was also referring to Buena Vista Street.
They totally stole that design from MGM Studios
 

RSoxNo1

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Or here's another (scary??) thought...

30+ thousand people flocked to DHS on basically the promise of college aged kids in fur+fabric costumes.. and a fireworks show.

How many fur+fabric covered college aged kids does a $100+million dollar D-ticket budget buy you?

Imagine if meeting fur wasn't such a large commitment from the guest and it was part of the integrated experience of moving through the parks again?
The demand was also because it was only held on one night. I think we all recognize that if this was multiple nights it wouldn't have been anywhere near as crazy.
 

GiveMeTheMusic

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The Monsters Inc Flying Door coaster rumor started in 2005.

It died a quiet death.

Sadly, not for DCA. Because WDI is incapable of coming up with a unique concept that doesn't use a Pixar IP, DCA is getting the door coaster DHS rejected. I hope all they expect is increased capacity, because I just can't imagine it being a major draw. To me it's the equivalent of SDMT.

Here's to hoping it's some mind-blowing experience and I'm wrong. Otherwise, you'll find me at USH with the Boy Who Lived.
 

ParentsOf4

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The demand was also because it was only held on one night. I think we all recognize that if this was multiple nights it wouldn't have been anywhere near as crazy.
Last night's DHS events represented a convergence of several factors:
  1. Closure of MK to a hard ticket event on a weekend night, causing both locals and guests to seek alternative entertainment.
  2. Fireworks at DHS.
  3. A one-time special event.
  4. The appearance of rarely seen Disney Villains.
By comparison, the Magic Kingdom was a ghost town with the hard ticket MNSSHP.

IMHO, it simply shows that onsite attendance is low (not surprising for mid-September) and locals don't like paying for specially ticketed events. :D
 
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