Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV

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WDW1974

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Oh, on the whole theme parks must be open every day, DL was closed on non-holiday Mondays and Tuesdays in the off-season for decades. Eisner changed that. Disney even had a gentleman's agreement with Knott's and they would close on Wednesdays and Thursdays in the off-season to spread the business around and make sure tourists had somewhere to go.
 

JenniferS

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Oh, on the whole theme parks must be open every day, DL was closed on non-holiday Mondays and Tuesdays in the off-season for decades. Eisner changed that. Disney even had a gentleman's agreement with Knott's and they would close on Wednesdays and Thursdays in the off-season to spread the business around and make sure tourists had somewhere to go.
Oh my, how times have changed.
 

GoofGoof

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There are two DVC concepts for EPCOT that have been floated. One in the parking lot at the entrance. One incorporating a handful of WS pavilions. They will never do the latter because of cost, but the former I can see happening.

Besides, it isn't like they are actually maintaining the parking lot anyway.
It's DVC. The new owners will foot the bill. Cost is less of an issue. Then again if you get the same price for the points and it's cheaper to build in the parking lot then your profit is even larger.
 

WDW1974

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Plans a plenty.

Full Space Mountain rebuild. JII4 and Japan dark ride. SkyDance. MI Coaster. Mys Is variation. Mermaid as a gift, open for WDWs 40th.

I'll only say that while all of that was on the table, there was no way that more than half of it was ever going to happen ...even in a perfect economy/world. Some things were literally ready to go and others were blue sky and being shopped.

Still, I would have taken half of that and been happy.
 
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doctornick

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There are two DVC concepts for EPCOT that have been floated. One in the parking lot at the entrance. One incorporating a handful of WS pavilions. They will never do the latter because of cost, but the former I can see happening.

Besides, it isn't like they are actually maintaining the parking lot anyway.

Has there ever been any plans to build a resort/DVC on the "suitable land" plot along the Epcot monorail? There's a decent sized plot near Bambi Lake that seems like it would be a good choice to make a new "monorail resort".
 

WDW1974

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It sucks, but it has been that way since day one. The oil crisis of 1973 put an end to some of the finest plans for WDW. The mini-crises of the early 80s and early 90s postponed and lessened planned investments. And 9-11 and the 2008 meltdown did too.

It's a miracle that something even ever gets build!

There seems to be a pervasive 'Roy Disney' culture in TWDC, where the slightest dent in the enonomic forecasts grants automatic victory to those arguing for restraint and scaled down plans.
You would think that after half a century theme parks would've come to be recognised not as a risky business but as a tried and trusted cash machine. With the exception of EuroDisney, TWDC has always shot itself in the foot by underinvesting instead of by overinvesting.

I think that's very insulting to Roy Disney. Assuming you are speaking about Walt's brother and not the man's grandson who is the family lapdog for Iger.
 

WDW1974

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Meg and Al have no say-so in what gets develops for the parks. The development of new attractions and shows is not a local decision.

What gets paid for most certainly does. How money is allocated etc.

Hell, that is why Phil Holmes (a lowly VP) was able to short circuit redos to Pirates, Mansion, JC and SM over the past 6-7 years.
 

the.dreamfinder

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Go right ahead. I have no plans to see it and will likely catch it on some future cruise.

As to the latter, I think it is true to his beliefs on the future of the industry. The man truly longs for a day when he can release a Marvel film both in theaters and other platforms at the same time as well because sane people really want to watch a new release on a tiny screen.
On Thor 2: An improvement from the first Thor which isn't saying much, but I enjoyed it. I have always liked how the Marvel Cinematic Universe films have comedic beats that work especially after the over dour, super serious Man of Steel. Iron Man 3 is still a better film, but Robert Downey Jr. and Shane Black have a great report after Kiss Kiss Bang Bang so it's hard to fault Thor for not having that advantage. One of the unique things about this film, and I will try to explain without giving any spoilers, is its introduction to movie goers of the "weird" direction Marvel's films are going to take going forward to ramp up for The Avenges v. Thanos/Infinity Gauntlet. A particular sequence in the film serves to really introduce this, but… I have said too much.

One thing I was wondering as I left the theater was accessibility of these films going forward for the general public. Fiege and co have really worked to turn these adaptations into a greater serialized universe. I deeply admire this ambition and wish Iger would take note of this as he learns all the wrong lessons from their success. However, as time goes on, it may become harder for audiences to latch onto these films because many people will say "I haven't seen Thor or Iron Man or Cap, I won't know what's going on". While Marvel has learned to make films that are both part of a greater universe and still stand alone, they have a lot of ground to cover and I worry future films may get too plotly, like Iron Man 2. Of course the other issue here is Iger and the sharp pencil boys wanting every Marvel film to make a billion dollars. Guardians of the Galaxy is going to be the weirdest comic book adaptation ever attempted as a tent pole. In the mean time, I sure bet Iger is happy they no longer have to sacrifice a percentage of the gross to Paramount!

Cap 2's trailer was pretty awesome though.

Spirit, what does Thor need to make, ballpark, to get into the black?
 

WDW1974

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Has there ever been any plans to build a resort/DVC on the "suitable land" plot along the Epcot monorail? There's a decent sized plot near Bambi Lake that seems like it would be a good choice to make a new "monorail resort".

No idea, but my gut says no.
 

WDW1974

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On Thor 2: An improvement from the first Thor which isn't saying much, but I enjoyed it. I have always liked how the Marvel Cinematic Universe films have comedic beats that work especially after the over dour, super serious Man of Steel. Iron Man 3 is still a better film, but Robert Downey Jr. and Shane Black have a great report after Kiss Kiss Bang Bang so it's hard to fault Thor for not having that advantage. One of the unique things about this film, and I will try to explain without giving any spoilers, is its introduction to movie goers of the "weird" direction Marvel's films are going to take going forward to ramp up for The Avenges v. Thanos/Infinity Gauntlet. A particular sequence in the film serves to really introduce this, but… I have said too much.

One thing I was wondering as I left the theater was accessibility of these films going forward for the general public. Fiege and co have really worked to turn these adaptations into a greater serialized universe. I deeply admire this ambition and wish Iger would take note of this as he learns all the wrong lessons from their success. However, as time goes on, it may become harder for audiences to latch onto these films because many people will say "I haven't seen Thor or Iron Man or Cap, I won't know what's going on". While Marvel has learned to make films that are both part of a greater universe and still stand alone, they have a lot of ground to cover and I worry future films may get too plotly, like Iron Man 2. Of course the other issue here is Iger and the sharp pencil boys wanting every Marvel film to make a billion dollars. Guardians of the Galaxy is going to be the weirdest comic book adaptation ever attempted as a tent pole. In the mean time, I sure bet Iger is happy they no longer have to sacrifice a percentage of the gross to Paramount!

Cap 2's trailer was pretty awesome though.

Spirit, what does Thor need to make, ballpark, to get into the black?

Thanks for the review/comments. ...I still have little interest in it, but I have never seen the first.

As to what it needs to make to get in the black, I have heard various figures, but $600 million sounds pretty solid. Yes, I am serious. These films cost a blankload of $$$ to make and then market.

So when they bomb, you have John Carter or Lone Ranger. And Marvel will have a bomb sometime.
 

BrianLo

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Thanks for the review/comments. ...I still have little interest in it, but I have never seen the first.

Ya, if you are not into the comic book genre to begin with, Thor will not help you on board. I happen to enjoy it though (Disney acquisition or otherwise).

Once is certainly trodding along, as with Walking Dead. Once (In Wonderland) though has actually be fairly enjoyable and well placed. It seems like both shows haven't learned the crucial lesson (set by Walking Dead and even Lost in the past), get off the damn farm/prison/island, or pick up the pace at the very least.

Any new or expanded Uni info this go 'round @WDW1974?

I'm also wondering this, since you've been gone @WDW1974 there has been much talk of Kong in IOA and a seeming absence of Jurassic, I was wondering your thoughts.
 

Animaniac93-98

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As to what it needs to make to get in the black, I have heard various figures, but $600 million sounds pretty solid.

Sounds like it will do that since BOM is predicting $400+ million overseas and $200+ million in the US. May even make more money than MoS worldwide which would be more salt in the wound for DC theatrical releases.
 

PhotoDave219

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Like most corps today, Disney lies. Often.

Standard business practice. And, yes, they teach their front-lime CMs to do so as well.

I don't pretend to know the endgame of where they see DCL in five years or 10, but it will be larger and have a greater footprint around the globe.

Interesting side note to the Grand Fla DVC (@71jason can back me up)..... Turns out that Mizner's Lounge at the Grand Fla has been getting slammed nightly since the DVC opened up. Didnt see that coming.
 
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