Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV

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rudyjr13

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Disney wasn't building attractions (except new fantasyland) or making physical infrastructure upgrades BEFORE NextGen... so you can't blame it on everything tho

And there lies the problem. Instead of allocating 2 billion on attractions, improvements, and proper infrastructure, they did NextGen.

Again, wifi is good. Tap to pay or enter is good. The rest is a joke. I literally cannot plan what rides I will go on with my 2 daughters age 2 and 3. So my family experience suffers if I can't utilize the paper fast pass system for rides such as Dumbo. If rather see zero fast pass than this + joke.
 

The Mom

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While I was at the Poly last week the front desk professionally and happily handled all my requests. They even knocked off half the cost of my rented cabana without me asking due to a rainy morning, but I guess at Portofina they would have given me a free cabana and drinks.

Not quite - but close, and in a better way. I stayed at Portofino when it first opened, and was either given/was sent a guest review form. I pointed out a potential safety issue in the rooms, and they comped my stay.
 

wdwgreek

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Hey guys, I have read through all the pages here and would like to comment a few things. First people where has the decorum gone? If you disagree with someone that’s fine, you can debate with someone, try to show them that the truth is contrary to their belief that’s fine. But then you go and belittle them attack them, call various people liars, idiots etc… Different people have different opinions and some of them may very well be idiots. This is a Disney forum, about Disney World, something we do all care about dearly, but we may not all agree about the path the company is taking (I don’t), or of My Magic (which I loathe) , or whatever, but please be polite when discussing these points. Don’t degrade people, don’t attack them, we are all here to discuss our favorite topic complain a bit about it and then learn about it.
The conversation here has degraded to small bits of productive discussion mixed with petty mudslinging. It needs to stop if we are to have anything close to a constructive discussion.

That said: I am really looking forward to what ever light WDW1974 can shed, and the discussion that is sure to follow about the new information and not the same old dicussion about how bad my magic is thats occured a hundred times over.

Edit: Pardon the run on I should add some peroids in there...so people don't blast my sentance structure, while ignoring my point...
 
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WDWDad13

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And there lies the problem. Instead of allocating 2 billion on attractions, improvements, and proper infrastructure, they did NextGen.

Again, wifi is good. Tap to pay or enter is good. The rest is a joke. I literally cannot plan what rides I will go on with my 2 daughters age 2 and 3. So my family experience suffers if I can't utilize the paper fast pass system for rides such as Dumbo. If rather see zero fast pass than this + joke.

you're missing my point... it's not fair to say NextGen was keeping them from allocating 2 billion on attractions, improvements, and infrastructure when they weren't doing it (as they should have been in most of our opinions) BEFORE they even thought of NextGen. This has been an ongoing problem... not because of NextGen
 

dreamscometrue

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Yes, one would think, wouldn't one? So . . . where is it? Where is the "sense of urgency" from the TDO side? Because the 3 years it's taken them to build a Snow White mini-coaster doesn't seem very urgent to me. The last urgent thing TDO did was put up netting under the Tree of Life.

I think that the sense of urgency is just being realized right about....now. Seriously. I don't think that anyone in a position of power at Disney felt that any kind of response to Uni's redo/expansion was necessary. Then, 2 things happened. Firstly, Disney execs have just started to realize exactly what Comcast is doing, and how it will affect their business, and secondly, the success of DCA after the makeover showed that spending money provides a great return on that investment. (That should have been seen from what happened at Uni with WWoHP, but perhaps nobody was paying attention.)

The fact that Disney Springs was announced this year and, as reported by Spirit and other reputable insiders, that additions are planned for the next 4-7 years (Star Wars Land? Cars Land? Pandora. Imagination redo. New parade) leads me to believe that some urgency is beginning at this time. I don't know how many of the aforementioned projects would have had any chance of being greenlit without competition from Uni.
 

Sue_Vongello

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I think that the sense of urgency is just being realized right about....now. Seriously. I don't think that anyone in a position of power at Disney felt that any kind of response to Uni's redo/expansion was necessary. Then, 2 things happened. Firstly, Disney execs have just started to realize exactly what Comcast is doing, and how it will affect their business, and secondly, the success of DCA after the makeover showed that spending money provides a great return on that investment. (That should have been seen from what happened at Uni with WWoHP, but perhaps nobody was paying attention.)

The fact that Disney Springs was announced this year and, as reported by Spirit and other reputable insiders, that additions are planned for the next 4-7 years (Star Wars Land? Cars Land? Pandora. Imagination redo. New parade) leads me to believe that some urgency is beginning at this time. I don't know how many of the aforementioned projects would have had any chance of being greenlit without competition from Uni.

Great point! What if Uni never got Potter and whimpered away ... Disney would have done less then they have done up until this point?

Seriously how much worse would the parks be without that little push?
 
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marni1971

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those "figures" are not all hard dollars and is basically calculating employee effort/time involved right? Some call this soft dollars or as I like to call it, funny or monopoly money lol so when the estimates come in high... everyone needs to understand this is not all money out the door
A real cost of 2.8 billion and rising with no end in sight? With saddening implications that are starting to hit other areas of P&R? Not quite funny.
 

BigThunderMatt

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The fact that Disney Springs was announced this year and, as reported by Spirit and other reputable insiders, that additions are planned for the next 4-7 years (Star Wars Land? Cars Land? Pandora. Imagination redo. New parade) leads me to believe that some urgency is beginning at this time. I don't know how many of the aforementioned projects would have had any chance of being greenlit without competition from Uni.

There's a difference between a sense of urgency when it comes to planning and a sense of urgency when it comes to getting a project off the ground. All these rumored projects in the pipeline along with what has been confirmed will mean nothing if Universal is always beating them to the punch and WDW shows up late to the party.

If they don't hurry up all these guests they're hoping to impress with these projects will have jumped ship to UNI and likely won't be coming back anytime soon.
 

wm49rs

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you're missing my point... it's not fair to say NextGen was keeping them from allocating 2 billion on attractions, improvements, and infrastructure when they weren't doing it (as they should have been in most of our opinions) BEFORE they even thought of NextGen. This has been an ongoing problem... not because of NextGen

Yes, it is. Because the decision was made to focus on NGE as the primary business model in WDW to increase spending and purportedly drive traffic through the gates. As opposed to the model that was used in DCA, which actually has increased traffic through the gates and spending thereafter. They know the amount of time and planning it takes to design and build new rides/attractions/etc., and they chose to proceed with NGE instead.
 

doctornick

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Oh what if Disney got bought by Comcast

People say this, but I'm not convinced it would have meant much of anything. Comcast is building up Universal because it views it as a growth property and, quite frankly, seeing Disney as ripe for the picking. If comcast owned WDW instead and was at the top of the heap and raking in guests and money, they incentive to "invest" in the parks would have been much less.

I'm not saying a Comcast owned WDW wouldn't have been better but there's virtually no chance that we would have seen the type of investment going into Universal right now being applied to WDW.
 

doctornick

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I think that the sense of urgency is just being realized right about....now. Seriously. I don't think that anyone in a position of power at Disney felt that any kind of response to Uni's redo/expansion was necessary. Then, 2 things happened. Firstly, Disney execs have just started to realize exactly what Comcast is doing, and how it will affect their business, and secondly, the success of DCA after the makeover showed that spending money provides a great return on that investment. (That should have been seen from what happened at Uni with WWoHP, but perhaps nobody was paying attention.)

I tend to think this as well, but things still seem to be lagging and dragging. Cars Land opened last June and was an immediate success and was evident very quickly. There was firm talk about a version being greenlit for Florida almost immediately. And yet here we are a year later and there's still no firm plans. At some point, there needs to be a shift from planning to action and I don't see much of a sense of urgency on TDO's part.

I' not nearly as pessimistic as most on here, but even I would argue that WDW needs things being added -- to multiple locations -- and needs to have it happen quickly. There should have been bulldozers and cranes in DHS and DAK 6 months ago.
 
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WDWDad13

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A real cost of 2.8 billion and rising with no end in sight? With saddening implications that are starting to hit other areas of P&R? Not quite funny.

2.8mil is likely not hard dollars out the door...trust me on this... this is the project estimate overrun or expenses which would include employee time and effort. (ex. our company estimates analysts at ~$80/hr of project work time but the company pays the same to the employee if we work on project A or project B or all of the above)

how do we know it's "starting to hit other areas of P&R"? As I mentioned... I didn't see much action in the P&R area before NextGen so how is this to blame for all the stagnation previously?
 

WDWDad13

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Yes, it is. Because the decision was made to focus on NGE as the primary business model in WDW to increase spending and purportedly drive traffic through the gates. As opposed to the model that was used in DCA, which actually has increased traffic through the gates and spending thereafter. They know the amount of time and planning it takes to design and build new rides/attractions/etc., and they chose to proceed with NGE instead.

the NextGen project at WDW is something likely to roll to most if not all the Disney Parks in the future... whoever is the guinea pig to work through all the startup problems will have an extremely high cost v/s the others
 

wm49rs

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how do we know it's "starting to hit other areas of P&R"? As I mentioned... I didn't see much action in the P&R area before NextGen so how is this to blame for all the stagnation previously?

Where's Avatar?

the NextGen project at WDW is something likely to roll to most if not all the Disney Parks in the future... whoever is the guinea pig to work through all the startup problems will have an extremely high cost v/s the others

The other parks are still focusing on developing new ride and attractions, with NGE being far less of a focus (or business model) as opposed to the importance WDW is placing on it.
 

Longhairbear

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There seems to be two camps here so maybe I can help y'all find common ground. If NGE had been kept on budget and everything worked, everything you say would be true. It would be driving revenue growth, cost reduction, and guest satisfaction. The problem is, NGE is neither on budget nor functioning properly. Think of it like a movie. Spending an Avengers amount of money is fine, as long as you make Avengers level box office figures. NGE is the John Carter of the parks and resorts segment only on a much grander scale.
My opinion. NGE was not needed. What was needed was a scaled back amount of time one could book dining reservations. DDP eliminated altogether. Dining quality retained, and improved. Resort specific, park specific , and land specific souvenirs restored. I'm sure I went back to get something at Tomorrowland that wasn't to be had at DTD.
DTD, where is the Cruella apron I saw once at the kitchen goods store? At DLR, where is the Mickey Sci Fi lamp that I didn't pick up right away, I saw that looked like the Marvin The Martian lamp I eventually bought?
During Food & Wine...why no up priced prepacked groceries to buy after seeing that fabulous recipe you saw prepared by a Foodnetwork celeb to bring back to your kitchen equipped DVC? The variety among DVC groceries is laughable, mainly because they don't want you to cook in, they want you to book 180 days out at one of the on property restaurants....which you cannot do walk ups at anymore. The quality has gone down anyway, and you could burn a better dinner in your DVC.
Little Mermaid is a walk on at DCA anytime of the day, season or year, and after World Of Color let's out right in back of that show is the only time we wait 5 minutes. It has nothing to do with the quality of Mermaid, it is a people eater. Why the lines in FLA???
Magical Express, it takes up to 8 hours to get your luggage to your room. We get ours at the carousel, and drag it to the bus.
Hop De Doo, take a taxi back, otherwise every bar is closed by the time you get back by bus.
Bars close too early.
Um, hello, some of us are night people, we sleep in, we stay up late with nothing to do.We don't do rope drop. Haven't you heard of us????
Yes, we did pack formal dress for Al &Vic dropping hundreds for a fabulous meal, but there was no place to go afterwards.
We now get booze for exotic cocktails we can't get at the bars,that are usually closed by the time we get back from the parks anyway, and food offsite to cook fancy meals that would make the DisneyMoms horrified. They don't cook on vacation. Bless their little hearts. I guess quality goes out the window with them.
 

SirLink

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2.8mil is likely not hard dollars out the door...trust me on this... this is the project estimate overrun or expenses which would include employee time and effort. (ex. our company estimates analysts at ~$80/hr of project work time but the company pays the same to the employee if we work on project A or project B or all of the above)

how do we know it's "starting to hit other areas of P&R"? As I mentioned... I didn't see much action in the P&R area before NextGen so how is this to blame for all the stagnation previously?

Well you know Avatar - like it or loathe it, it is being delayed to push the NG Experiment over more years so it doesn't look quite as bad on the books. Wouldn't surprise me if DHS Extreme Makeover has been delayed as well. Would it surprise me if new ship plans for DCL are being delayed as result - nope.
 

WDWDad13

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Where's Avatar?


The other parks are still focusing on developing new ride and attractions, with NGE being far less of a focus (or business model) as opposed to the importance WDW is placing on it.

lol - trust me... this project has A LOT more problems then NextGen
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WDW has more attractions that all other Disney Parks
 
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