Spirited News & Observations II -- NGE/Baxter

[wdwfan22]

BS

The reason they went to AL and changed plans was because the ship had already drifted enough that the paths were basically the same and by landing in the US it would be easier for PASSENGERS as they wouldn't have to deal with people who didn't plan with passports, etc.

And they did have redundancies - the problem is a boat is dependent on electricity - and there are no extension cords that reach it out there. They have power - just not enough power to supply the entire ship. They have power for their emergency systems.

I hope you work for Carnival because the BS you are spitting out is just insane. The reason they went to AL is because It was cheaper for Carnival to bring the ship there instead of docking in Mexico.

 

[flynnibus]

These hardships you speak of experiencing under far more stressful terms, did they happen to occur during a vacation you spent thousands of dollars on, or was this something you volunteered for or were paid to do? If they did occur during one of your vacations, you probably could have gotten a voucher to vacation again. Just saying, might want to look into that.

Are people somehow more entitled to reparations if the disaster happened on vacation vs while in their normal lives? Is their health or well being more at risk on vacation? Is their work or other stuff somehow magically insured because they left on vacation?

These people are getting their money back.. having their travel handled for them.. and getting future cruises. They are out their time, and the consequences that occurs.. but sometimes that happens and you don't get to demand to be paid for it. If it snows and I can't get out of my neighborhood.. who should I be sueing to make up for the lost productivity or other activities I lost out on? Or when the hurricane comes and it takes a week to clean up afterwards. Sometimes people just need to accept '#$%# happens' and we all work together to make the most of it.

I bet carnival will be compensating these people even more than we know right now.. but I'm sure many will opt to skip it so they can sue.. and probably not even sue over the accident, but factors in the disaster response.

People might as well sue the airlines that they didn't get to watch the full movie when their plane crashed.

 

[jakeman]

Fact remains, once you sign your cruise documents you pretty much waive all rights to sue or collect any damages at all, no matter what happens. (Fire, capsize, riots, civil unrest, kraken, tidal wave, pirates...)
It's very one sided, to an extent that most people would be very surprised to learn of.
Wonder how it'd be different if the ships were US based and more subject to the US regulations...

Why would you sign something without reading it? It's a contract, why would you not be held accountable for something you agreed to just because you failed to read it?

I'm just curious why that's acceptable?

Just to be clear, I don't want to get into what happened with the Carnival cruise, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle of "everything is fine" and "the ship filled to the top with sewage".

 

[Clever Name]

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The answer is hidden within this thread...but i will save you the trouble of looking for it...

The photo is of the *famous* HIdden 74 at DHS.
Fans can have fun trying to guess where this breaker box is......

Let's see... What attraction at DHS involves Spirits? It must be Rockin' Roller Coaster since all those rock and roll stars are heavy drinkers.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=18509079

 

[Lee]

Why would you sign something without reading it? It's a contract, why would you not be held accountable for something you agreed to just because you failed to read it?

I'm just curious why that's acceptable?

Just to be clear, I don't want to get into what happened with the Carnival cruise, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle of "everything is fine" and "the ship filled to the top with sewage".

I didn't say people didn't read it. I'm sure many do. I have.

My point is that the cruise lines take that opportunity to almost completely remove themselves from any liability under almost any cinceivable circumstance. It practically says "Hey, $hit happens."

And sure, people are free to "opt out" of taking the cruise after reading the terms. But I'd wager only a microscopic fraction do. The desire for the trip overrides any concern, however legit, they might have.

 

[GoofGoof]

@flynnibus, you are slowly becoming the new JT. Ease up.

Seriously? Are you talking about the cruise ship thing or the NextGen discussion. On Nextgen, without him this lopsided "debate" wouldn't really exist at all. It would just be a bunch of people all agreeing and patting themselves on the back.

 

[flynnibus]

I hope you work for Carnival because the BS you are spitting out is just insane. The reason they went to AL is because It was cheaper for Carnival to bring the ship there instead of docking in Mexico.

Yeah, I work for carnival.. inbetween my jobs working for Disney and everyone else as a social plant. At least my posts have facts behind them.. like the ones below

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=8989617&rss=rss-ktrk-article-8989617&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed: abc13houstonnews (abc13.com - Houston News)

On Tuesday afternoon, we heard from officials in Mobile, Alabama. The decision to go to Mobile instead of Progreso, Mexico was made Monday night after it was determined the ship had drifted so it was equal distances to to the two ports.
That move also makes it easier for passengers to get back to Galveston to get their vehicles and get home. In the meantime, Mobile is preparing to help those passengers.
"Our main goal as a city and as a terminal is the safety of the passengers. That is the number one goal. There is no alternative, ulterior motive here. It is the safety of those 3,100 passengers and the thousand crew members," said Shelia Gurganus, Alabama Cruise Terminal General Manager.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...triumph-now-being-towed-to-alabama-not-mexico

Strong currents have pushed the ship another 90 miles into the Gulf of Mexico, foiling plans to tow it to Progreso, Mexico.[...]
The decision to reroute the Triumph to Alabama was spurred by currents that pushed the 100,000-ton cruise ship "nearly equidistant" to Mobile and Progreso, according to Carnival officials. The cruise line had earlier said the ship would arrive in Mexico late Wednesday; instead, it's on a 270-mile journey across the gulf that will end late Thursday.
The change in destination is expected to simplify the return process for passengers, 900 of whom were not traveling with passports.

900 of 3000ish customers...

 

[Clever Name]

@flynnibus, you are slowly becoming the new JT. Ease up.

He passed JT a long time ago. He serves as a great example of the worthiness of Internet debate.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Why would you sign something without reading it? It's a contract, why would you not be held accountable for something you agreed to just because you failed to read it?

I'm just curious why that's acceptable?

Contracts are often so long and contain so much legalese/jargon that they are designed in essence to be unreadable to the average consumer. I would agree with you if we had contract laws that required contracts be written in simple or plain english and these folks didn't read it, but that's not the case.
http://www.nzlii.org/nz/journals/WkoLRev/1995/9.html
Someone like @WDWFigment would be able to explain in greater detail.

 

[jakeman]

I didn't say people didn't read it. I'm sure many do. I have.

My point is that the cruise lines take that opportunity to almost completely remove themselves from any liability under almost any cinceivable circumstance. It practically says "Hey, $hit happens."

And sure, people are free to "opt out" of taking the cruise after reading the terms. But I'd wager only a microscopic fraction do. The desire for the trip overrides any concern, however legit, they might have.

However, that's their choice.

It's their personal responsibility to weigh the consequences of what they are signing.

Just to be clear, I'm speaking on legal grounds here. From an ethically and customer service stand point it is a completely different situation.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Did Disney force you to use their online application? no
Are you unable to make ADRS without the online applicaiton? no
And you misapply the stuff you quoted. Yes, by OPTIONALLY joining the myexperience website and app you have agreed to those terms. But no didn't have to join that myexperience app or website - you chose to.

How are you able to make ADRs without it being linked to the online application? What is needed to make a reservation over the phone, do they ask for your email address?

 

[flynnibus]

Conflicts with what I heard, but I won't argue the point.

As for compensation, $500 is weak and the promise of another Carnival cruise for free is very likely...umm...uninviting to those passengers.
Perhaps offering the cash equivalent in lieu of the free trip would be more appropriate.

That cash is more than what the cruise cost for some people BTW... but that's besides the point. You're headed where I said is a slippery slope in my post to wdw1974. What are you paying them specifically? Lost time? Inconveninece? Personal hardships?

Do you pay the lawyer $300/hr for his lost time.. and pay the retiree their social security rate? Do you pay the guy who only had to deal with no hot water or flushing toliets differently than the guy who had a toliet overflow? Do you pay a person for how many meals they missed.. and pay the person who got more meals less?

It's an ugly thing and no matter what the amount - there will be some that don't think its enough and will sue anyways. Nothing you can do here appeases everyone.

Fact remains, once you sign your cruise documents you pretty much waive all rights to sue or collect any damages at all, no matter what happens. (Fire, capsize, riots, civil unrest, kraken, tidal wave, pirates...)
It's very one sided, to an extent that most people would be very surprised to learn of.
Wonder how it'd be different if the ships were US based and more subject to the US regulations...

I'd prefer companies be held liable for safe transit and personal security - than worrying about how much compensation I will get if disaster strikes.

 

[flynnibus]

How are you able to make ADRs without it being linked to the online application? What is needed to make a reservation over the phone, do they ask for your email address?

You've always been able to make ADRs without using the online site.

 

[GoofGoof]

How are you able to make ADRs without it being linked to the online application? What is needed to make a reservation over the phone, do they ask for your email address?

You've always been able to make ADRs without using the online site.

Can't you still make online ADRs and hotel reservations but opt out of using the wristband in favor of a plastic card? Isn't the issue tracking you in the parks?

 

[Lee]

However, that's their choice.

It's their personal responsibility to weigh the consequences of what they are signing.

Just to be clear, I'm speaking on legal grounds here. From an ethically and customer service stand point it is a completely different situation.

Agreed.

 

[flynnibus]

Can't you still make online ADRs and hotel reservations but opt out of using the wristband in favor of a plastic card? Isn't the issue tracking you in the parks?

The ticket (not the magicband) still has RFID tho. Disney hasn't said if there will be any option to use a inert ticket card or if there are ways to opt out of the data retention from the RFID ticket.

 

[Lee]

That cash is more than what the cruise cost for some people BTW... but that's besides the point. You're headed where I said is a slippery slope in my post to wdw1974. What are you paying them specifically? Lost time? Inconveninece? Personal hardships?

Do you pay the lawyer $300/hr for his lost time.. and pay the retiree their social security rate? Do you pay the guy who only had to deal with no hot water or flushing toliets differently than the guy who had a toliet overflow? Do you pay a person for how many meals they missed.. and pay the person who got more meals less?

It's an ugly thing and no matter what the amount - there will be some that don't think its enough and will sue anyways. Nothing you can do here appeases everyone.



I'd prefer companies be held liable for safe transit and personal security - than worrying about how much compensation I will get if disaster strikes.

Don't pay for their time.
If Carnival is gonna foot the bill for another trip, those that don't desire to sail with them again should be offered equal compensation. Say the average fare of a comparable cruise.
Carnival doesn't have to...but they should.

As for guaranteeing safety...agreed.
But, god forbid, something happens on a cruise...per the pages of legalese...tough.

Fall overboard? Not our problem.
Wander into a civil war? Not our fault.
Kraken grabs you off the deck? Bummer.
Have to walk through sewage due to power failure? Too bad.
Idiot captain flips the ship over? Hurts us worse than you...if you lived.

Just seems...wrong.

 

[flynnibus]

Fall overboard? Not our problem.
Wander into a civil war? Not our fault.
Kraken grabs you off the deck? Bummer.
Have to walk through sewage due to power failure? Too bad.

Just seems...wrong.

Do you sue the pirates?
Do you sue the government because of mother nature?
Do you sue the criminal who inconvenienced you?
Know what.. sometimes just bad things happen. I wish I could sue someone for the 4hrs I lost today waiting for the stupid server cluster.. but that's just life.

It's a sad world where people think someone should always pay if something bad happens to you. By virtually every accord I've seen - there has been nothing but praise for the staff on the boat.

People are so spoiled by modern travel and conveniences that they forget boats can't magically cross hundreds of miles on a whim.. nor is there simple ways to move thousands of people from boat to boat in the open ocean.

Imagine the outcry if people got hurt when trying to transfer between boats. I'd love to hear all the petty 'but what about my luggage??' as they were evacuated from the boat.

 

[Genie of the Lamp]

A while back??? You just became a member on Jan. 26th. Hmmm who are you really???

Long time reader. I begun reading these posts right around when NFL was announced at the first D23 Expo in 09 just decided to join now since I wanted to throw contribution to these boards. Love is all around in this thread and I like it.