Spirited News & Observations II -- NGE/Baxter

Genie of the Lamp

Well-Known Member
I found some articles on the OBJ today talking about how the diagon alley project and new fantasyland (with sdmt and fairy tale hall open/operational) will contribute/generate $3.3 billion in local economic impact for the central Florida area.

Another one on that same site talks about how tourism for 2014 will be prepping for a busy year to come with higher/fuller hotel rooms and higher rack room rates due to these additions (mainly diagon alley since their expert Peter yesawich said that this will be bigger in size and reception come opening week for this area compared to hogsmeade opening in 2010).
 

jmb2676

Active Member
I found this; now is does say that plastic bottles of coke are heavily discounted, but bags of their products are free ( soda fountains )

http://micechat.com/forums/disneyland-resort/24991-free-coke.html

When I started in Outdoor Foods at EPCOT in the mid-90's the fountain syrup was indeed free to Disney. I can't remember off the top of my head what the 20oz bottles cost but there was one heck of a markup on those things. I was part of the group that did the research when we started to sell bags of cotton candy in the park. We were getting them from a place near Old Town for .05 per bag and selling for 2.50. Not too bad.
 

AngryEyes

Well-Known Member
As a (former) beverage manager in Las Vegas, I can tell you that several of you have pieces of it right.

1. The casinos pay per bag, negotiated rates, etc. No freebies. There's virtually no advertising available, so Coke or Pepsi wouldn't realize any return on their investment.
2. Free drinks are to get you drunk, so you lose control of your wallet.
3. They are also to keep you in your spot gambling. You and your machine or table game form an equation of profit per hour. If you and everyone else takes a 5-10 minute break each time you needed a drink, they lose thousands of hours a day in profit.
4. You get so many drinks out of a bag that each one is essentially free, anyway, but...
5. A comped drink is a tax deduction (and not at the cost of just the syrup, either), which helps to offset the ridiculous profits we make and have to pay taxes on.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
I like the new maps, however I think it's just going to confuse people. People are going to orient themselves based on the park's entrance...which is generally the bottom of the map. Making the map more geographically correct isn't really an improvement.
I understand what you are saying, but, if a guest isn't smart enough to turn the map so that the entrance is at that bottom...well, there isn't much hope it's going to help them anyway.:eek: How much dumber are we going to make this country. It is getting ridiculous.:oops: It's a piece of paper...turn the damn thing. Or issue everyone a compass. :rolleyes:
 

muteki

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I understand what you are saying, but, if a guest isn't smart enough to turn the map so that the entrance is at that bottom...well, there isn't much hope it's going to help them anyway.:eek: How much dumber are we going to make this country. It is getting ridiculous.:oops: It's a piece of paper...turn the damn thing. Or issue everyone a compass. :rolleyes:

You see nothing wrong with opening the map, going "huh?", and having rotating it just to get around? If half the people need to do this it is still a "good" map?

The odd angle the old epcot map had was weird too, but you didn't have to hold it upside down to make sense.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
You see nothing wrong with opening the map, going "huh?", and having rotating it just to get around? If half the people need to do this it is still a "good" map?

The odd angle the old epcot map had was weird too, but you didn't have to hold it upside down to make sense.
I don't see where you do now, from the pictures I saw of it. It appears to me that they oriented it with the location of the parking lot more than anything else.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I don't see where you do now, from the pictures I saw of it. It appears to me that they oriented it with the location of the parking lot more than anything else.

No, it's simply North is up... the other poster that mentioned about having to synchronize the maps with the nextgen experience makes perfect sense. If Disney is going to guide you through the park and show you a map.. their map needs to match the location data being reported by phones/etc. So the map shown to you needs to match 'real world'.. and matching the paper maps to the digital maps makes sense to a degree.

I don't think it's entirely necessary - but I see the logic behind it.
 

Goofyernmost

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No, it's simply North is up... the other poster that mentioned about having to synchronize the maps with the nextgen experience makes perfect sense. If Disney is going to guide you through the park and show you a map.. their map needs to match the location data being reported by phones/etc. So the map shown to you needs to match 'real world'.. and matching the paper maps to the digital maps makes sense to a degree.

I don't think it's entirely necessary - but I see the logic behind it.
The ones that I think you posted, maybe not you, don't remember, but they showed Epcot to be set up with the entrance to the bottom of the map and if nothing else Epcot is the exact opposite of MK yet they were close to being the same direction. I'm working from memory here, but, even if they didn't it still is not a big deal. You follow a map the same way regardless of what the orientation is. You look at where you are and where you are going and you go that way.

If it were on a big stone tablet, I could see where that might be a problem, but, like I said, it's a damn piece of paper. Just turn it until it is where you can follow it. Much ado about nothing. But that's not unusual for these boards.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
As a (former) beverage manager in Las Vegas, I can tell you that several of you have pieces of it right.

1. The casinos pay per bag, negotiated rates, etc. No freebies. There's virtually no advertising available, so Coke or Pepsi wouldn't realize any return on their investment.
2. Free drinks are to get you drunk, so you lose control of your wallet.
3. They are also to keep you in your spot gambling. You and your machine or table game form an equation of profit per hour. If you and everyone else takes a 5-10 minute break each time you needed a drink, they lose thousands of hours a day in profit.
4. You get so many drinks out of a bag that each one is essentially free, anyway, but...
5. A comped drink is a tax deduction (and not at the cost of just the syrup, either), which helps to offset the ridiculous profits we make and have to pay taxes on.

In reference to #3 above. If they could figure out the whole bathroom thing I would literally not leave the table all night. I had a hot role at the craps table one night in Vegas (we're talking over 30 minutes straight rolling) and was being graciously supplied with a never ending stream of drinks. I realized I really needed to "see a man about a horse" but I had the dice and those people would have strung me up if I tried to leave the table. I finally "sevened out" and literally ran for the men's room... This story really had no point. I just thought of it when I read your post. Sorry for the thread drift. Not sure what we were even talking about, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't craps or men's rooms.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
The ones that I think you posted, maybe not you, don't remember, but they showed Epcot to be set up with the entrance to the bottom of the map and if nothing else Epcot is the exact opposite of MK yet they were close to being the same direction. I'm working from memory here, but, even if they didn't it still is not a big deal. You follow a map the same way regardless of what the orientation is. You look at where you are and where you are going and you go that way.

The site has a map archive here.. the two parks are not the same on the map.. because they aren't the same on the earth :)

North vs relative is a confusing factor for people.. it's why virtually every navigation program has the ability to toggle the mode. It is confusing for people when they don't have a common reference point. They say 'hey look, this is to my left on the map'.. so they go left. But in reality when the map is drawn in true north, left may be right, etc. People have a better notion of 'where I've come in...' vs 'where is truth north' or 'what direction am I really facing on this map'.
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
I'm just going to leave this here :)

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CDavid

Well-Known Member
I'm just going to leave this here :)

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That comparison might be valid if it weren't for the fact that Transformers is a very simple ride (like a kiddie coaster) which without theming could be thrown together in a few months using off-the-shelf track pieces, versus Seven Dwarfs Mine Train which is a highly complex one-of-a-kind ride system which understandably takes years to design and build.

Oh, wait.........never mind...
 

luv

Well-Known Member
It will be interesting, when SDMT opens, to compare the time taken (from announcement to full opening) for the FLE to the time taken taken (from announcement to opening) of Harry Potter I...and all the other stuff announced and built or beginning go to be built at Uni.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
The site has a map archive here.. the two parks are not the same on the map.. because they aren't the same on the earth :)

North vs relative is a confusing factor for people.. it's why virtually every navigation program has the ability to toggle the mode. It is confusing for people when they don't have a common reference point. They say 'hey look, this is to my left on the map'.. so they go left. But in reality when the map is drawn in true north, left may be right, etc. People have a better notion of 'where I've come in...' vs 'where is truth north' or 'what direction am I really facing on this map'.
I'm sorry, but I have to say that we have done enough dumbing down of people. If they cannot figure out how to turn a map around and orient themselves perhaps we shouldn't care if they get lost. You know, survival of the fittest and all. Mankind became what it is by people being able to deal with North vs relative. That's how they sailed the seas and found new lands and developed civilization. I don't believe that they had GPS back then. So our uneducated ancestors are smarter then we are? I'm starting to think so!
 

luv

Well-Known Member
I'm sorry, but I have to say that we have done enough dumbing down of people. If they cannot figure out how to turn a map around and orient themselves perhaps we shouldn't care if they get lost. You know, survival of the fittest and all. Mankind became what it is by people being able to deal with North vs relative. That's how they sailed the seas and found new lands and developed civilization. I don't believe that they had GPS back then. So our uneducated ancestors are smarter then we are? I'm starting to think so!
It could be argued that designing a park map so that it needs to be turned around and read upside-down in order to use it is kind of dumb. Nobody cares what direction they must head to get to ToT. They just want to know where to turn.

But making the map so very small isn't even dumb. It's just cheap.

Disney used to have wonderful park maps.

...and mankind got lost a lot while sailing the seas without good navigational tools.
 

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