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[WDW1974]

I know we would recognize him but if he wasn't flashy and acted normal... would anyone really recognize him and if they did would they bother him that bad?

Regular guests? Very doubtful.

Fanbois? Cast? Bloggers and Disney Lifestylers? Absolutely. ... Heard he's been using a lot of backstage access to get from place to place and not putting himself out in public view if at all possible.

 

[TalkingHead]

TWDC can no longer compete in the Orlando market with the latest and greatest rides. So they've opted instead to bribe their guests into staying on property with NextGEN and TragicBand plussed experiences that are basically more or less what they're getting now, just delivered in a fancy technology wrapper.

That bears repeating.

 

[WDW1974]

@WDW1974,

I have a question. In the letter, Disney says they are not going to share certain info, do this or do that etc. If they happen to do these things they say they aren't going to do and it backfires(like identity theft, credit card info stolen, or a child's info is shared) and the guest ultimately finds out about it could they sue for that?

I can't comment. I am not a lawyer.

I can say that you can sue anyone for just about anything today ... doesn't mean you'll get anywhere though.

Disney is sued on a very regular basis for all sorts of things (some legit, some not).

 

[VonBaroketch]

Yo, what is a "Disney Lifestyler"? It keeps coming up in this thread and I'm guessing it's got some specific meaning.

Disney Lifestylers are Walt Disney World locals. They're sick and deserve derision. Disneyland locals, on the other hand, are regulars and deserve praise for squealing over generic hot food bags. Don't confuse the two!

 

[Atomicmickey]

I wonder if this hoopla will go all the way to the shareholder's meeting.
I hope so, lest Iger have to endure another grilling about Dreamfinder.
The hows and whys of who gets to talk at those things, sheesh.

Just once, I wish someone articulate and reasonable could make a point
worth making . .

 

[GrumpyFan]

You asked for an opinion, I respectfully gave you mine. There's no need to be disrespectful because our opinions dont agree.

My apologies, I didn't intend it to be disrespectful, but I understand why it came across that way. However, your comments regarding the whole thing feeling "Big Brother-ish", just sound somewhat extreme. I've seen nothing that would suggest Disney will be watching our every move every minute of the day while we're in the parks or at WDW, yet you and many others here seem to think that will in fact be the case, which just baffles me.

 

[PhotoDave219]

My apologies, I didn't intend it to be disrespectful, but I understand why it came across that way. However, your comments regarding the whole thing feeling "Big Brother-ish", just sound somewhat extreme. I've seen nothing that would suggest Disney will be watching our every move every minute of the day while we're in the parks or at WDW, yet you and many others here seem to think that will in fact be the case, which just baffles me.

I see your point, I just see where a computer will track people's movements.

 

[WDW1974]

We can start with the claims there is no opt out - which we know to be untrue...

The premise behind Disney's rushed PR spin campaign related to MyMagic+ serves to, if anything, dispute the structural foundation of the entire NEXT GEN initiative. There is NO opt out ... how many times have I written that? And, more importantly, why did The Weatherman spend so much time arguing the opposite -- the positive legally vetted OPT IN theme?

At this point, all I can say is believe what you want. Did it not occur to you that this is merely a semantics game being played in an effort to save this incredibly expensive and ''publicly devoid of detail'' scheme? All guests entering WDW will soon have an RFID chip embedded, just for and just by TWDC, in a ticket or on their body. The difference being largely based on other factors (mostly where they're staying and what type of admission media or package they have bought into, how much they're spending).

Oh, if by not allowing TWDC to track/datamine you are provided with a profoundly limited and inferior product while paying the same price as everyone else, how is this not requiring everyone to agree to their terms?

An option is only an option if real choice exists. If someone puts a gun to your head and demands something, then you still have a choice, right?

I'm tired of semantics made for PR and legal circles and designed to appease people who are not deep thinkers.

 

[Darth Sidious]

Regular guests? Very doubtful.

Fanbois? Cast? Bloggers and Disney Lifestylers? Absolutely. ... Heard he's been using a lot of backstage access to get from place to place and not putting himself out in public view if at all possible.

That is understandable... If I were in his position though I would rough it out and walk the park like a guest. Even if people recognize me, it is a much better way to get acquainted with the REAL product.

 

[dhall]

Surely you can understand when someone is new to something and just trying to get in the groove of how it works, it can be a little disheartening to be told you did this or that wrong.

One thing you should probably understand is that '74's threads frequently represent the deep end of the pool. There's lots of other threads that can be a lot more pleasant for casual swimming. In his threads specifically, new members are frequently shark wannabees, so they're approached a little differently than elsewhere.

Right below the thread title, you can see the user who started the discussion, and use that to judge whether you might want to participate in that one, or not. Over time, you'll pick up on who you enjoy interacting with.

 

[GrumpyFan]

I see your point, I just see where a computer will track people's movements.

Yes, but it's a very small computer run by a mouse, how bad can it be?

I jest, but I understand yours as well.
In all of my protestations and perhaps even defense, the unknown here does warrant a slight reservation for me as well.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

I think there might be a hissy fit at the Shareholder's meeting(Maybe Dr Phil and Richard Simmons will be backstage to help the weatherman relax)???

JERRY!! JERRY!! JERRY!!

 

[WDW1974]

My apologies, I didn't intend it to be disrespectful, but I understand why it came across that way. However, your comments regarding the whole thing feeling "Big Brother-ish", just sound somewhat extreme. I've seen nothing that would suggest Disney will be watching our every move every minute of the day while we're in the parks or at WDW, yet you and many others here seem to think that will in fact be the case, which just baffles me.

Why would that baffle you when that's just largely what they're going to be doing?

Dave, myself and I'm sure many millions of guests likely have questions about Disney's datamining. You don't. Great. I respect that. Why don't you respect the fact others aren't so quick to drop privacy concerns?

The Mouse loves you Grumpy.

 

[WDW1974]

That is understandable... If I were in his position though I would rough it out and walk the park like a guest. Even if people recognize me, it is a much better way to get acquainted with the REAL product.

Why would you think he cares about anything REAL?

 

[flynnibus]

But if there is an RFID built into all ticket media - is there truly an opt out?

The premise of the piece is not about opting out of RFID - but of not being able to opt out of being a token to be marketed and sold ( including 3rd parties) as the premise as the way to fund the concept. It makes assertions that because that is the business plan, there must be no way to opt out. Yet we know from repeated sources you CAN exclude yourself from having your personal data sold/shared.

 

[WDW1974]

One thing you should probably understand is that '74's threads frequently represent the deep end of the pool. There's lots of other threads that can be a lot more pleasant for casual swimming. In his threads specifically, new members are frequently shark wannabees, so they're approached a little differently than elsewhere.

Right below the thread title, you can see the user who started the discussion, and use that to judge whether you might want to participate in that one, or not. Over time, you'll pick up on who you enjoy interacting with.

Don't know if I should feel insulted or complimented, but I'll take the latter ...

 

[dhall]

I'm not say someone with expertise in datamining who might be thinking that posting here could land me a job on the NEXT GEN team.

Why would anyone with the expertise want to work for Disney? Many of the companies that sell the software to Disney are the best places in the world for techies to work for -- Disney would just treat them like overhead.

 

[Captain Chaos]

I think there might be a hissy fit at the Shareholder's meeting(Maybe Dr Phil and Richard Simmons will be backstage to help the weatherman relax)???

I just want to hear the word "Tragic Band" used in one question to him.

I'd be more than willing to ask him about Tragic Band, and call it that... It would be worth getting thrown out by security just to see Iger squirm and throw another childish hissy fit...

 

[WDW1974]

Why would anyone with the expertise want to work for Disney? Many of the companies that sell the software to Disney are the best places in the world for techies to work for -- Disney would just treat them like overhead.

Nah. I was thinking someone here might for some unknown reason want to work for the Accenture & Cisco Business Group that has the contract for implimenting MyMagic+ at WDW ... of course ... I don't know of any individuals with the type of knowledge of both datamining and Disney that could do so, but you never know who you'll come across on a Disney fan forum.

I have met some of my closest friends on them. Oh, and one time I made the WORST MISTAKE EVER (actually, not really, sadly!) by befriending someone with some considerable 'baggage'.

 

[dhall]

Don't know if I should feel insulted or complimented, but I'll take the latter ...

Please take the latter, and consider the rest a description of effects. Your threads (and those started by a few others that have proven to have reliable information) have kept me checking this board even if I wasn't participating often. It just happens that on this topic, I have relevant expertise to share.