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paulcmartens

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right...a tarp.

Right, a tarp, not freaking panels...you guys made it sound (and I know believed) that they put these plastic panels on...first off, they don't even make that stuff...if they were going to 'panel' space mountain up...they would have used metal, with a white enamel coat or something...(think Richard Meier)

this is such a joke


Even if you just looked at the seams, which I did today, the plastic paneling theory would have been out the window..which I pointed out earlier....they were way too long...again, transporting a 80 foot plastic sheet....it would have to be tiled, and that just sounds retarted (in terms of construction/architecture).

I'm just beside myself at how people just think they can lie on these boards.

I am naive.
 
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Lee

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Sigh.
I would appreciate not being called a liar.

Here's what I know.
I saw the change going on Space's roof, so I e-mailed someone who would know about it.

His reply, pasted here verbatim:

"No, it's not paint. We wanted something that would last longer and not fade like paint did before. We had large plastic panels made to fit between the beams, all the way to the bottom of the spires. It's a new kind of colored polymer, we picked out the color specifically for Space. We haven't used it before, but it could come in very handy in the future. Does kind of stick out in the land, huh?"

OK, maybe his definition of panels is different than mine and yours. I assumed it was akin to plastic tiles. Not having been out there at the time to look at it, I made that assumption. Bottom line is, it wasn't painted. Who Al talked to, I don't know.

And what sort of damage was there?
When they removed the interior ceiling tiles, they found several soft spots, and a small hole or two. Something had to be done.
Now the exterior has a new cover, and the interior is getting a new treatment.
 
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paulcmartens

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Who is this person that you are quoting? Unless they are construction workers or someone who designed/implemented the project...you'll have to give a reference...just some random quote from a person doesn't cut it.

Besides look at the pictures...its not paneling...its a plastic tarp - like nice and thick saran wrap. Don't believe me? Llook closely at the foot of the worker, the tarp is bunching up. Look at the sides, or edges, its behaving as a fabric like material.

Sorry to be such a 'hitler' here lee but your source is dubious at this point...if he calls that plastic paneling...what does he put up in his home...wallpaper or wall paneling?
 
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Lee

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Again, his definition of "panel" is apparently different than yours.
It doesn't have to mean large, flat, rigid pieces. In this case it is obviously some sort of sheeting.

Who is he? I'm not in a position to name names. But if he wants to call it "panels", I'm not going to argue with him.

Lighten up a bit.
 
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paulcmartens

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Well, I think you've been had by your un-named source. This isn't semantics. This is war! :)

Sheeting even sounds more of an accurate term than tarp, good job. Its a been a while since I've been out of school (architecture).

If he's using the 'we term'...that implies he works for Disney.

If he's telling you the truth (and my assumption is the truth) he certainly wasn't assigned to the project and is talking out of his rear to you a bit there IMnotsoHO
 
Lee

Lee

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I'll go this far...sheeting is a more appropriate term for what was used than panels. No doubt.

You are on the right track about the source. However he is not an engineer or architect. More of a creative role. I will forgive his loose application of terms.
I know how it is. I am in the position of constantly straddling the line between, shall we say, creative and construction. Both tend to use a different language.
 
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paulcmartens

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Well, there is also another factor at work here that I'm starting to notice from some disney sources...its called spin/deflection. Sounds like your guy is trying to impress you with a simple construction material. It might have been 'colored' white...but...somehow that sounds a little ahem coughbullcrapcough.

An example I experienced today:
Heard that there was a 'no bag security line' at WDW...so I mentioned it to a DLR survey person after waiting behind 30 people with bags to get on a monorail....oooohhhh! somebody was working for the spin machine...she refused to admit that there was any inadequacy or anything this park did that WDW didn't do...whew! Noooo....there is nothing WDW does that is better than Disneyland...noooo.

It took me for surprise, I was like...just do your job...write that down...but for 2 minutes I had to clarify what I meant, she wasn't listening...was kinda deflecting all the comments I made. Like somehow my idea was really idiotic, and well, its already in place anyway (I rolled my eyes once I'd left her).

I guess some disney employees believe the hype they are given.

If your source is in 'creative' at disney...as in creates sheeting to cover attractions that need fixing up, thats a sad state of WDI affairs my friend...because if I'm getting confused with my limited background...just what goes on over there?

"just cover that thingamajig real nice now ya hear!"
 
Lee

Lee

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Originally posted by paulcmartens

If your source is in 'creative' at disney...as in creates sheeting to cover attractions that need fixing up, thats a sad state of WDI affairs my friend...because if I'm getting confused with my limited background...just what goes on over there?
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Nah, he's not in the "creating sheeting deptartment."
More like in the "While we are working on the inside, we need to do something to the outside. Tell the engineers to figure out how to make it white" department. It seems like a cheap fix, but may be very practical. Plus, it had to be cheap with all the money they are dumping into that Mountain.

And I had a similar experience at DL's bag check, back when you went through security about 3 feet from the turnstile.
I mentioned how WDW did it much better, and the CM was obviously unaware of the WDW system and agreed that it would be much better.
 
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paulcmartens

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I don' t know...

This guy that you talk to doesn't seem very smart...or they put the sheeting down and then plastic over it...your not getting the straight goods here, and thus neither am I.
 
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cloudboy

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Out of curiosity, what do you consider a panel? In design terms, it is pretty much and flat rigid piece of material. They make something called roofing panels - I think you may be thinking those are tiles. Tiles are small, and nearly square. Panels are usually much larger. Carribean Resort uses roofing panels, I would guess theirs are metal, because plastic panels are relatively new. But growing in popularity.
 
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paulcmartens

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are you talking to me...? :)

To me, panel implies rigidity too.

That's why I was having a hard time with what people were saying about spaceMountain's roof. There is just no such thing as plastic paneling (its always metal, with maybe a plastic like overcoat for roofing - I have yet to see any plastic panelling in existence).

ANYwho---so I fought that...I said, no way jose.

Sure enough, Marni posted pics...and the roof was just a white tarp applied to the concrete roof.

Where have you ever heard or seen of plastic pannels in use for roofing?
 

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