Space Mountain/Tomorrowland Transit Authority update...

EPCOTPluto

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Well, that explains the grid that I saw Saturday, where that black pavement is now.

That wooden curve is such a teaser... :lol:

:veryconfu Looks like a "sidewalk/path" running to the left of the "planter/fountain," with space between the two. Hmmm.

Can't someone just yell down to those dudes: "Hey! whatcha building?" :lol:
Maybe it might as well be the most ambitious thing done on this refurb. Of course I can be wrong... :lookaroun
 
Didn't know if this had been posted but saw this today on Screamscape... we pretty much know most of this already but thought I'd share anyways.

From Screamscape:
Space Mountain Rehab - (10/28/09) The latest whispers from the Ultidoors is that Disney fans may be highly disappointed when Space Mountain reopens next month. As we had been hearing for some time now, the scope of the once massive refurbishment project had been scaled back from a proposed total ride replacement, that would have taken 12-16 months, to a more modest technical refurbishment that could be accomplished in half the time. While budget cuts are always a factor in any project like this, the real killer was the refusal of WDW Management to allow for Space Mountain to be closed for the winter holidays. I’ve been baffled for years as to why they hold onto the short winter holiday season as some kind of golden goose that they are afraid or unwilling to close any major attraction during. Meanwhile they are more than willing to disappoint the millions of guests over the busy 3 month long summer season, rather than close anything during the 2 week winter holiday period. Go Figure...
Anyway… this preference, mixed with the recession and falling attendance figures, was enough to turn what was once proposed as totally rebuilt version of Space Mountain into a project where most guests wont even notice the majority of the improvements at all. As we’ve seen from the construction pictures, the track is still pretty much the same old system that has been there since the ‘70’s. Old track sections have been modified here and there, or replaced where needed to take care of the “problem spots” where maintenance has been welding and repairing the stress cracks for years. But once the total track replacement concept was thrown out the window, the on-board audio system went with it.

I’ve been told that the ride system itself is getting a new state of the art computer control system that is supposed to allow for the Mountain crew to get the ride restarted more quickly than ever from any E-Stops. Previously, the procedure to recover from an E-Stop was to send CMs out onto the track to release each stopped car one at a time, and only releasing the next car on the line once the previous one had reached the unload station. This was a very time consuming process that could take anywhere from 20 to 40 minutes to accomplish, so a new more automated system will increase the recovery time by quite a bit.
The inside of the dome will also have a number of new and improved special effects added, which will take advantage of the new “darker” interior of the Mountain, thanks to the newly enclosed loading stations that have been roofed over. While the lift hill may stay looking pretty much the same as it has for decades, the final “Re-Entry” tunnel effect is supposed to be upgraded, along with the addition of a camera system to take your picture. No word on if they are finally going to enclose or do something to that odd open section of track between the Re-Entry tunnel and the unload station.

Speaking of the stations, I’ve been told that we can expect to see station gates added to the loading stations as well. Unfortunately that is about all of the improvements you can expect to see from the ride experience itself… station gates and hopefully a few new special effects. I’ve been told that the rest of the noticeable improvements will be entirely spent on the ride queue itself. The good news is that all new cutting edge “interactive” elements will be added to the queue experience, taking what they’ve learned from the interactive games added to the Soarin’ queue. I’ve also been told that the plan is to alter the queue enough so that the Standby and FastPass riders don’t have to stare at each other for the entire queue into the mountain as well, which is good news as well, since hopefully this means Disney will start loading the entire queue once again with Stand-By riders instead of leaving them to stand out into the sun for so long before going inside. Otherwise, that’s about everything I’ve heard about so far about this refurbishment, so take it for what you will. Personally, while I’m always up for some good upgrades to an attraction, I’m a bit let down since the top #1 most requested feature everyone has been asking for to be added to the ride was the on-board audio system and we saw just how quickly that aspect was cut while keeping in things like adding a rider photo camera system.
 

EpcotServo

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Book? From where the Museum?


Only Mr. Martin Smith can save us now.... :lol:

Designing Disney's Theme Parks: The Architecture of Reassurance edited by Karal Ann Marling was the companion book to the previously mentioned traveling exhibit, The Architecture of Reassurance - Designing Disney's Theme Parks.

^Yep, this one.

I`m sure I have (somewhere) video of the trees closing.... but don`t quote me.

Hope so....seeing as how I boldly (foolishly) stated definitively that they did.

"Make something up. State it firmly, and arrogantly."
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Making fun of John Agar, MST3K

:lol:
 

EPCOT Explorer

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Designing Disney's Theme Parks: The Architecture of Reassurance edited by Karal Ann Marling was the companion book to the previously mentioned traveling exhibit, The Architecture of Reassurance - Designing Disney's Theme Parks.
*runs to eBay*:lookaroun
Quick! Put up the MartinSignal!

Seriously...have I been duped? All this time I was under the impression that they actually worked....guess I took it for granted without looking into it...:shrug:
Hey, you have the MartinText system...:D
Ugh... I don't see much happening on the actual mountain... I'm still hoping for a repainting and some lighting.
It's the least they can do...

I`m sure I have (somewhere) video of the trees closing.... but don`t quote me.
:sohappy:

Video. :D Of course. :lol:

Hope you have it...have you actually seen it close?
^Yep, this one.





"Make something up. State it firmly, and arrogantly."
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Making fun of John Agar, MST3K
:ROFLOL:
 

Rob562

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I'll be interested to see if Martin has video footage of the trees moving.


Seriously...have I been duped? All this time I was under the impression that they actually worked....guess I took it for granted without looking into it...:shrug:

Well, you could say "duped", or you could say "Imagineers doing their job very, very well"... I'll leave the choice up to you. ;)

I also looked through both the Imagineering book and the Architecture of Reassurance and didn't see anything.

For some reason, that piece of artwork is one of my most vivid memories of the exhibit. That, and that fully-painted cardboard mockup of Indiana Jones Adventure that they used a lipstick camera to film inside to get a feel for what the ride would be like when built.

-Rob
 

Anticitizen One

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The screamscape update is probably the most accurate info. However one thing it doesn't mention is the post show. Will it remain untouched? Will it get refurbed or changed into something new?

If they replace those diorama scenes with large video screens and some childish narration I will be very upset.
 

imagineer boy

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Hope so....seeing as how I boldly (foolishly) stated definitively that they did.

According to the Walt Disney World Explorer computer program it states "The trees in tomorrowland fold up at night, and unfold during the day to provide guests with a spot of shade."

It would seem kind of odd for somthing that the WDC would produce and worked on by imagineers to get somthing wrong like that. :shrug:
 

Anticitizen One

New Member
^Don't be silly. It's going to be replaced with touchscreens where you can "Choose your future" (With Stitch, likely). ;)

It's such BS now that WDI has made so many poor decisions that we now have to be concerned with what the end result will be rather than be excited.

I am trying to image a worst case scenario in my head (no star tunnel music, cheesy interactivity, not a single change to the ride) to keep my expectations way down so im not TOO disappointed when it opens.

It is an absoluete shame it did not get a completely brand new track w/onboard audio. How long are they hoping this current track lasts?

Also, not going to happen I know, but they should have removed or rebuilt that arcade building its visually obtrusive and blocks the view of Space Mountain. It's kinda like the wand that used to be over SSE.
 

Figment632

New Member
It's such BS now that WDI has made so many poor decisions that we now have to be concerned with what the end result will be rather than be excited.

I am trying to image a worst case scenario in my head (no star tunnel music, cheesy interactivity, not a single change to the ride) to keep my expectations way down so im not TOO disappointed when it opens.

It is an absoluete shame it did not get a completely brand new track w/onboard audio. How long are they hoping this current track lasts?

Also, not going to happen I know, but they should have removed or rebuilt that arcade building its visually obtrusive and blocks the view of Space Mountain. It's kinda like the wand that used to be over SSE.

WDI isn't to blame at all! The people to blame for such a minor refurb is TDO, WDI is probaly doing the best they can with the budget given to them.
 

JWG

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Why am I sensing posting style Dejavu?

It is such a enig..., no I mean conun.....

Oh never mind. :)

Did he get banned again? Hadn't even noticed...

WDI isn't to blame at all! The people to blame for such a minor refurb is TDO, WDI is probaly doing the best they can with the budget given to them.

So often, so sadly true. Just think about what pieces of many refurbs or designs have been stripped away (such as BK at DAK). My concern is that sooner or later this could impact the creativity or engagement of the WDI team. Either 1) why bother they'll just strip it down anyway or 2) haven't had to do anything full scale is so long, not sure I remember how.

Either way, I agree, it's the coffers not the designers.
 

techiegsy

Member
It's such BS now that WDI has made so many poor decisions that we now have to be concerned with what the end result will be rather than be excited.

WDI isn't to blame at all! The people to blame for such a minor refurb is TDO, WDI is probaly doing the best they can with the budget given to them.

So often, so sadly true. Just think about what pieces of many refurbs or designs have been stripped away (such as BK at DAK). My concern is that sooner or later this could impact the creativity or engagement of the WDI team. Either 1) why bother they'll just strip it down anyway or 2) haven't had to do anything full scale is so long, not sure I remember how.

Either way, I agree, it's the coffers not the designers.

Yep, This is sadly a regular misconception by certain people on these boards. This is not AT ALL WDIs fault they are in the constraints of TDOs buget and cutting corners.

As '74 (I thinl) said recently, They could design a TDS for florida, or a totally new ride for the SGE space, but often TDO doesn't want to pay for it!.

Shame that Tim has gone now, he really did some amazing projects, having experienced Discoveryland first hand...
 

TTA-ATW

Member
For what it is worth, I have seen the palm trees move in TL. I was leaning on one and felt a slight vibration, looked up, and the thing was moving. Really cool idea. I believe this was either '98 or '99 when this occurred.
 

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