Space Mountain Heading to the Scrap Heap :)

[EPCOT Explorer]

Why would it need to be shut down to add new trains later? Why couldn't those be phased in at night?

And we are all jumping to conclusions----shame on all of us---- but one big conclusion being jumped to is that the RUMORED phase 2 is many years down the line.

What if....WHAT IF...audio trains were running by April 2011? That would make the overall rehab 2 years---the same as the envied DL SM rehab...but with WDWs rid open over the holidays to swallow those massive crowds you describe!

I'm sure it takes longer.

And WHAT IF they don't even do another refurb in two years? Things can change. Maybe it's planned now...but then?

Do it now, do it while it's already down. Kill to birds with one stone. It might even save money this way.

Yes, but it's in Japan, so it still wins the prize. My opinions on this are well documented I believe.

Indeed!:lol::lookaroun

 

[marni1971]

Why would it need to be shut down to add new trains later? Why couldn't those be phased in at night?

And we are all jumping to conclusions----shame on all of us---- but one big conclusion being jumped to is that the RUMORED phase 2 is many years down the line.

What if....WHAT IF...audio trains were running by April 2011? That would make the overall rehab 2 years---the same as the envied DL SM rehab...but with WDWs rid open over the holidays to swallow those massive crowds you describe!

You`re missing the point; the attraction structure would be ready to handle onboard audio - so I believe - by December this year. The added weight was always the hang up for adding it in the first place. Now the issue is no longer there, TDO don`t intend to go the extra mile and add it even though the structure is designed for it. The hardware is designed. They have audio that will fit. They just need to make the version of SoundTracker (or a new system that was being tested a good 18 months ago in Orlando) they wish to install, and pay for new trains - I believe the new Matterhorn prototypes are just that; pre production models. A new fleet would need to be built from scratch for Orlando. Again, so near yet so far. It isn`t a case of dragging out a refurb for marketing. It`s a case of passing on an optional extra that would be one small part in the greater scheme and budget, and one that would add so much to the guest experience.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

You`re missing the point; the attraction structure would be ready to handle onboard audio - so I believe - by December this year. The added weight was always the hang up for adding it in the first place. Now the issue is no longer there, TDO don`t intend to go the extra mile and add it even though the structure is designed for it. The hardware is designed. They have audio that will fit. They just need to make the version of SoundTracker (or a new system that was being tested a good 18 months ago in Orlando) they wish to install, and pay for new trains - I believe the new Matterhorn prototypes are just that; pre production models. A new fleet would need to be built from scratch for Orlando. Again, so near yet so far. It isn`t a case of dragging out a refurb for marketing. It`s a case of passing on an optional extra that would be one small part in the greater scheme and budget, and one that would add so much to the guest experience.

Dear Lord. So they are pulling an SSE here too? Already have most of the work done, ready to go, but not finishing a job they started?

This is really, really hard to believe that Disney would do this.

 

[Jasonflz]

Either Disney (including the bean counters) must be really cheap or they are saving the money for something large, and I'm not referring to the upcoming Little Mermaid ride.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Dear Lord. So they are pulling an SSE here too? Already have most of the work done, ready to go, but not finishing a job they started?

This is really, really hard to believe that Disney would do this.

Because Team Disney Orlando settles for mediocrity now-a-days...

 

[Captain Chaos]

Either Disney (including the bean counters) must be really cheap or they are saving the money for something large, and I'm not referring to the upcoming Little Mermaid ride.

Until I hear anything else, I'll go with cheap...

 

[magicmaya]

I think we should all take a deep breath and wave here

breath in........:wave:







and breath out....................:wave:




If we wave, our wishes for space mountain would come true! Do you guys believe in magic?:wave::wave::wave:











I think i've been hanging around disneyland too long:lookaroun:lol:

 

[Jasonflz]

If we wave, our wishes for space mountain would come true! Do you guys believe in magic?:wave::wave::wave:

:lol:

:wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave:








nope not working

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Because Team Disney Orlando settles for mediocrity now-a-days...

Yep.

I think we should all take a deep breath and wave here

breath in........:wave:







and breath out....................:wave:




If we wave, our wishes for space mountain would come true! Do you guys believe in magic?:wave::wave::wave:











I think i've been hanging around disneyland too long:lookaroun:lol:

Just a little.

 

[CaptainMichael]

So, I'm very much interested in TLM coming to the MK now just for the sake of the awesome construction wall....:lookaroun

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

So, I'm very much interested in TLM coming to the MK now just for the sake of the awesome construction wall....:lookaroun

We couldn't tell.

This is quite the break from the usual AC apparel you sport.:lol:

 

[magicmaya]

Yep.

Just a little.

:wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave::wave:

NOW YOU DO EVEN MORE!!!!!B-E-L-I-E-V-E-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jt04]

One other thought--- and admittedly a far-fetched one.

But perhaps this decision to postpone audio (if true) is part of what I call "Best Buy Syndrome"--- the phenomenon of buying something, and then the next day, an even better technology becoming available.

As many have mentioned in this 1200-post thread, most major roller coasters are getting on-board audio now. In fact, the technology is "so 1996".

Certainly Universal's new coaster (Rip It, Ride it Whatever) is going to raise the bar for audio selection and on-board video recording.

Perhaps Disney was just not ready to commit to an audio technology for SM quite yet.

As many "experts" will tell you on these boards, SM's budget was apparently approved years ago. Yet not one of them said that budget included anything about choose-your-own audio or night-vision video.

If Disney purchased brand new SM trains with on-board audio for this current refurb, I highly doubt they'd shell out the money for even newer trains a few years ago when on-board coaster technology becomes cheaper, lighter, and cooler.

I have absolutely no knowledge that this was a factor (and other than Martin's veiled hints, it may be totally bogus that that SM infrastructure could handle audio in the future).

But the silver lining to no on-board audio now is that Disney is not locked into any one technology just yet. So there is always hope they'll add something even BETTER than just a movie-quality soundtrack.

I agree with this. Just like the rumored hat box ghost. Disney may be opting to do these "adds" to keep something "new" and "exciting" always
being added. I like this possibility. And if the technology is not ready just wait until it is.

 

[jt04]

So, I'm very much interested in TLM coming to the MK now just for the sake of the awesome construction wall....:lookaroun

That is something new under Iger/Lasseter's WDI. A foreshadowing of things to come. Even to WDW.


In my opinion.

 

[The Conundrum]

I agree with this. Just like the rumored hat box ghost. Disney may be opting to do these "adds" to keep something "new" and "exciting" always

being added. I like this possibility. And if the technology is not ready just wait until it is.

Proof that anything can be spun.

Just admit to yourself Space Mountain is getting a pathetic refurb when it was originally planned to be something grand. I challenge you to find any insider willing to deny that.

That is something new under Iger/Lasseter's WDI. A foreshadowing of things to come. Even to WDW.


In my opinion.

huh???

They have had themed construction walls since as far back as I can remember.

 

[Captain Chaos]

I agree with this. Just like the rumored hat box ghost. Disney may be opting to do these "adds" to keep something "new" and "exciting" always
being added. I like this possibility. And if the technology is not ready just wait until it is.

Technology isn't ready?? If it wasn't ready they how come DL has on board audio for SM already??? How do other coasters have on board audio.. INCLUDING ROCK N ROLLER COASTER???

it's ready... TDO is just cheap... Learn to accept that they are skimping out, and will continue to skimp out... Your defense of them is really foolish and silly now...

 

[Captain Chaos]

huh???

They have had themed construction walls since as far back as I can remember.

If you are talking about the tarps, they don't go far back.. They are newer.. Not sure how many years ago they started using these designed tarps, but, it wasn't too too long ago... As for the walls, the walls always fit the theme of the land, but from what I recall, weren't themed...

 

[Captain Chaos]

Yep.

Just a little.

I'd like to be included in the club that is anti DOM!!!!! Cause defending mediocrity speaks volumes...

 

[hpyhnt 1000]

If you are talking about the tarps, they don't go far back.. They are newer.. Not sure how many years ago they started using these designed tarps, but, it wasn't too too long ago... As for the walls, the walls always fit the theme of the land, but from what I recall, weren't themed...

Yeah. The closest they ever came to a "themed" refurb wall was when Horizons was torn down and Mission: SPACE was being built, but even thats a stretch.

Courtesy of Intercot (sorry about the state of Horizons in the background):

 

[WDITrent]