News Space 220 Restaurant dining experience at Epcot's Future World

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HOUSE OF MAGIC
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Is it time to start the rumor that the Earth and moon and spaceships will be painted cardboard cutouts?

Sources say they're sending interns into all the hobby shops and craft stores to buy these:
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(the shooting stars will be held up with fishing line!)
 

lazyboy97o

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Yes, the screen will be set back significantly from the “windows.” You can see this by looking at the distance between the two curved walls in bioreconstruct’s aerial photos.
I’m not sure that can be discerned at this time. It could also be rear projection with a conditioned service corridor to access the equipment.
 

GlacierGlacier

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I sincerely doubt this is rear-projection. Even if it is, rear-projection doesn't magically add depth or parallax to an image.

Disney knows how to do big ol' projection walls. Shanghai's Pirates has a half dozen examples of that. It's likely going to be similar, with extra physical and digital effects to improve the overall experience.
 

lazyboy97o

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I sincerely doubt this is rear-projection. Even if it is, rear-projection doesn't magically add depth or parallax to an image.

Disney knows how to do big ol' projection walls. Shanghai's Pirates has a half dozen examples of that. It's likely going to be similar, with extra physical and digital effects to improve the overall experience.
Front projection in the corridor would mean the corridor is visible to some degree. Front in the dining room means people can block it.
 

180º

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Front projection in the corridor would mean the corridor is visible to some degree. Front in the dining room means people can block it.
I’m with @GlacierGlacier on this one. I imagine it’s not so much a corridor as it is a diorama, with the only feature of the diorama being a projection surface that extends a bit above and below the windows so that the edges of the screen are hidden from most views. Throw distance doesn’t change whether the projectors are mounted on the outer wall facing in or the inner wall facing out. The effect will be more convincing the farther away the image is from the window. I predict there will be a walkable floor and work lights just out of view and not for use during operating hours.

Gosh, I love speculation. I don’t know what we gain from it, and Martin and the rest are likely laughing at us but I love doing it anyway.
 

jt04

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I’m with @GlacierGlacier on this one. I imagine it’s not so much a corridor as it is a diorama, with the only feature of the diorama being a projection surface that extends a bit above and below the windows so that the edges of the screen are hidden from most views. Throw distance doesn’t change whether the projectors are mounted on the outer wall facing in or the inner wall facing out. The effect will be more convincing the farther away the image is from the window. I predict there will be a walkable floor and work lights just out of view and not for use during operating hours.

Gosh, I love speculation. I don’t know what we gain from it, and Martin and the rest are likely laughing at us but I love doing it anyway.

Happy New Year
 

jt04

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I’m with @GlacierGlacier on this one. I imagine it’s not so much a corridor as it is a diorama, with the only feature of the diorama being a projection surface that extends a bit above and below the windows so that the edges of the screen are hidden from most views. Throw distance doesn’t change whether the projectors are mounted on the outer wall facing in or the inner wall facing out. The effect will be more convincing the farther away the image is from the window. I predict there will be a walkable floor and work lights just out of view and not for use during operating hours.

Gosh, I love speculation. I don’t know what we gain from it, and Martin and the rest are likely laughing at us but I love doing it anyway.

I agree with your speculation. The gap between the Windows and wall can be treated almost like a clean room to allow for crisper images and less dust accumulation.

Speculative.
 

Bocabear

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I wopuld imagine it would be a combination of projection and physical sets...Like they did in the old Horizons Space room.. That would give the most dimensional appearance.... For all encapsilated within that space it only looks to be about 12' from front to back, with multiple projectors
Front projection seems to be working fine for BOG
the projection is beyond the window not in the dining room...
 

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HOUSE OF MAGIC
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I’m with @GlacierGlacier on this one. I imagine it’s not so much a corridor as it is a diorama, with the only feature of the diorama being a projection surface that extends a bit above and below the windows so that the edges of the screen are hidden from most views. Throw distance doesn’t change whether the projectors are mounted on the outer wall facing in or the inner wall facing out. The effect will be more convincing the farther away the image is from the window. I predict there will be a walkable floor and work lights just out of view and not for use during operating hours.

Gosh, I love speculation. I don’t know what we gain from it, and Martin and the rest are likely laughing at us but I love doing it anyway.

I'll further speculate and say the window itself will be magnified.
 

Unplugged

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I'll further speculate and say the window itself will be magnified.
I doubt there will be any magnification as that could ruin the effect with many technical issues introduced. Also in reference to 180's thought, the direction of projection can change the throw. Reason is obvious if you look at the projection method used for advanced flight simulators. In those systems, to achieve a longer throw, projection is done to mirrors before ultimately landing on a continuous curved surface screen. I'm not saying mirrors are required in the restaurant, as that looks to be a reasonable throw adjustable with lenses (best guess from photos obviously). Mirrors are used to reduce the physical distance between the projector and the screen while increasing the throw distance.

In order to achieve the full effect, large glass windows should be in place with the screen to the outside (away) from the glass. This ensure safety of separation for guests, provides reflectivity of the restaurant space making you "feel contained", and as @marni1971 indicated with the room size, a BOAT load of high intensity liquid cooled commercial grade DLP projectors. Most likely 4k and similar to those used for the projection mapping of the castle & such.

Any projection inside the dining room would be for effects within the dining room, so it's possible. I did a gig at Bloomberg in NY a while back and they had all sorts of video internally, including projections of news & stock data onto glass walls with hidden projectors. So I'd say anything is fair game if it creates the illusion of space living within budget. It's safe to say audio will also be a key player with the low frequency hum in the background, and all sorts of visual related queues.
 

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