Sony & MARVEL are friends again; Spider-Man is back in the MCU

[Quinnmac000]

Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige On Spider-Man: “It Was Never Meant To Last Forever”
https://deadline.com/2019/08/kevin-feige-marvel-studios-spider-man-disney-dispute-1202703690/

 

[Darkprime]

 

[superdeluxe]

The dream is dead

 

[erasure fan1]

The dream is dead

Realistically I'm not too worried. At best Sony will do 2 movies. The first might do ok just because it's spidey and the mcu carryover. The second is where the problem is. I just don't see Sony doing another reboot. At that point they beg marvel to make a deal or just sell the ip back.

 

[SosoDude]

I figure Sony will let Holland Spiderman run it's course while pushing things like Spiderverse. After a few years they reboot the live action again. Until Spiderman shows that it's no longer profitable, then they try to dump him back to Marvel.

 

[Darkprime]

I figure Sony will let Holland Spiderman run it's course while pushing things like Spiderverse. After a few years they reboot the live action again. Until Spiderman shows that it's no longer profitable, then they try to dump him back to Marvel.

Hopefully we get one more to wrap up the FFH cliffhanger. Even if the third one isn't the MCU.

 

[seascape]

There are rumors Disney and Sony will be talking this coming week. I hope there rumors are rrue. Now, what would I like and what is a reasonable solution. I start with the fact that Sony would be crazy to give away 50% of the franchise.

What does Disney really want and what is reasonable? I start with the assumption that Disney's interest is really the streaming and television rights and to make some money on the box office and DVD sales. What is a fare price for Disney to pay and in exchange for how much money. That is where this gets interesting. There is a deal that can be made. Don't think solely about the percentage of costs Disney pays in exchange for the same percentage of the box office. Remember if a movie costs 250 million to produce, distribute and advertise, Disney does not need to own half the box office receipts to cover half the costs, if they paid that much and got the full streaming and television rights. It should be very possible to make a deal, essentially if Disney became the lead distribution company because that gives them an addtion small percentage of the box office. How about Disney pays 50% of the costs in exchange for 30% of the box office, the numbers should work both companies.

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

There are rumors Disney and Sony will be talking this coming week. I hope there rumors are rrue. Now, what would I like and what is a reasonable solution. I start with the fact that Sony would be crazy to give away 50% of the franchise.

What does Disney really want and what is reasonable? I start with the assumption that Disney's interest is really the streaming and television rights and to make some money on the box office and DVD sales. What is a fare price for Disney to pay and in exchange for how much money. That is where this gets interesting. There is a deal that can be made. Don't think solely about the percentage of costs Disney pays in exchange for the same percentage of the box office. Remember if a movie costs 250 million to produce, distribute and advertise, Disney does not need to own half the box office receipts to cover half the costs, if they paid that much and got the full streaming and television rights. It should be very possible to make a deal, essentially if Disney became the lead distribution company because that gives them an addtion small percentage of the box office. How about Disney pays 50% of the costs in exchange for 30% of the box office, the numbers should work both companies.

I don't foresee that really working. From a liability standpoint, Disney is assuming most of the risk here when you take into account they're paying $.50 of every $1 to produce the movie while only receiving $.30 back from that $.50. That's not usually a risk most business leaders are willing to take, especially ones whose bonuses are tied to financial performance.

 

[seascape]

I don't foresee that really working. From a liability standpoint, Disney is assuming most of the risk here when you take into account they're paying $.50 of every $1 to produce the movie while only receiving $.30 back from that $.50. That's not usually a risk most business leaders are willing to take, especially ones whose bonuses are tied to financial performance.

I agree it would be risky but so is buying streaming rights to an unknown movie and Netflix does that all the time. Then there is the additional fact that the costs of production have a built in profit too, so the actual costs paid out are actually less than the 160 million claimed budget. Plus you neglected that Disney gets tge streaming and television rights for the ectra 20% of costs they are paying.

 

[drod1985]

By my amateur box office fan math the reported 30% co-financing deal works out well for both parties. What so many people aren't talking about is Disney/Marvel's opportunity cost of producing these Spider-man films. The time, effort and resources they put towards a Spider-man film, where they make 5% of box office profits + access to Spider-man in ensemble films, could instead be spent on a film where Disney/Marvel receives 100% of the box office profits.

These rough numbers show that a co-financing split around 63/37 gets Disney an ROI similar to an initial entry in a "new" property while also increasing Sony's ROI as they've lowered their overall investment.

 

[gmajew]

Disney needs to make this deal happen as it is so key to the MCU. Fans just loss two MCU originals losing Spider-Man now would be a big big blow.

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

I agree it would be risky but so is buying streaming rights to an unknown movie and Netflix does that all the time. Then there is the additional fact that the costs of production have a built in profit too, so the actual costs paid out are actually less than the 160 million claimed budget. Plus you neglected that Disney gets tge streaming and television rights for the ectra 20% of costs they are paying.

Netflix is not Disney though. Netflix HAS to take more risks, especially when their library is eroding as these new services spin up.

I'm not sure what you mean by the costs of production have a built in profit too. Is that 'funny' Hollywood math?

Also, do we know that Disney would get the streaming/television rights?

 

[seascape]

Netflix is not Disney though. Netflix HAS to take more risks, especially when their library is eroding as these new services spin up.

I'm not sure what you mean by the costs of production have a built in profit too. Is that 'funny' Hollywood math?

Also, do we know that Disney would get the streaming/television rights?

If the streaming rights and television rights are written into the contract as I suggested for the extra percentage, then yes they would get those rights. That has to be part of the contract or there is no reason to actually want Spiderman in the MCU. The MCU should be a Disney Exclusive.

 

[matt78]

If Disney and Sony do end up making a deal Sony should try to get the movie rights to Dragon Ball Z from Fox. If made right Dragon Ball Z has the potential to be a huge franchise for Sony. While DBZ isn't as popular as it used to be in the US it is still a huge property worldwide. After the failure of Evolution I doubt Iger has much interest in making another DBZ movie.

 

[Quinnmac000]

If Disney and Sony do end up making a deal Sony should try to get the movie rights to Dragon Ball Z from Fox. If made right Dragon Ball Z has the potential to be a huge franchise for Sony. While DBZ isn't as popular as it used to be in the US it is still a huge property worldwide. After the failure of Evolution I doubt Iger has much interest in making another DBZ movie.

Sony already has DBZ other rights to include the actual popular one which is anime...they don't want Live action rights.

 

[matt78]

Sony already has DBZ other rights to include the actual popular one which is anime...they don't want Live action rights.

Even if Sony doesn't want to make a live action DBZ movie Fox still has some rights to the DBZ anime films. Their logo appears on the home video releases for the last 3 theatrical films that Funimation released.

 

[Lucky Rabbit]

Sony says the door is closed. Sounds like they’re more interested in building their own universe.

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/spiderman-mcu-sony-pictures-chief-1203324907/

Fans holding out hope that Spider-Man might be returning to the Marvel Cinematic Universe will be disappointed to hear that “for the moment the door is closed,” according to Sony Pictures chairman and CEO Tony Vinciquerra.

Speaking at Variety‘s Entertainment & Technology summit, Vinciquerra cryptically added that “it’s a long life,” implying that perhaps in the distant future the web-slinging hero might swing his way back to the Disney-owned company.

Now that one of its biggest properties is back solely in its hands, Vinciquerra said that Sony plans to launch its own universe using the vast array of Spider-Man characters.

The studio is in production on a second “Venom” film, a picture based on the character Morbius and “five or six” TV series set in the Spider-Man world. The Sony boss bullishly expressed his belief that the character will do “just fine” outside of the MCU, pointing to the success of “Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse” and the Sony-Amazon series “The Boys” as evidence that Sony is fully capable of hitting the mark on the superhero front.

“Spiderman was fine before the event movies, did better with the event movies, and now that we have our own universe, he will play off the other characters as well,” Vinciquerra said. “I think we’re pretty capable of doing what we have to do here.”

 

[Mike S]

Sony says the door is closed. Sounds like they’re more interested in building their own universe.

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/spiderman-mcu-sony-pictures-chief-1203324907/

F ‘em

...can I say that here...?

 

[BalooChicago]

Do they still need to make a movie every so often to keep the rights?

 

[Darkprime]

Do they still need to make a movie every so often to keep the rights?

Yes thats why they had to reboot in 2012 with Andrew Garfield when they knew Spider-Man 4 wasn't going to make its May 2011 release date. That was probably the closest we've come to the rights reverting ala Fox/Daredevil in 2012. Thats also why they've been releasing movies like Spider-Verse and Venom on the side even with the previous Disney deal.