winstongator
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Any box office underperformance can’t be attributed to over saturation. Marvel is everywhere and it’s last 2 installments crushed it. Marvel also has 6 Netflix shows. I wonder where marvel will be in 10 years.
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Solo - A Star Wars Story SPOILER-Filled Thread (Reviews and Discussion)
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Sirwalterraleigh
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...oversaturated. That was a rhetorical question, right?
Sirwalterraleigh
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If you’re pining for a pre-reshoot copy of the one that is scoffed at as “not real Star Wars”...then that speaks volumes for how well disney has done, doesn’t it?
Batting .250 it appears. But I have to see this thing...like really I do or it will be out of theaters at this rate
erasure fan1
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I think it was 100% pointing to a sequel. Thats why they signed Alden to a 3 pic deal. If its successful, they have things ready to go.
I really liked the movie. I really didn't want a Solo movie so I tried to go in and just enjoy a good star wars story. And that it was, a fun romp through the galaxy. I loved when Lando says, I hate you. And Han says I know. And I loved how they retconed the Kessel run as distance not time. That was always on the list of oversights in star wars.
winstongator
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Was referring to this ‘too soon to release another Star Wars movie right after Episode 8: The Last Jedi in December.’ And ‘As we already detailed in the previous update, Solo‘s weekend prospects were dragged down by a maelstrom of fan negativity toward the concept and/or behind-the-scenes problems, as well as summer tentpole and Star Wars movie over-saturation (we just had Last Jedi in December).’ (From article)
winstongator
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I remember Lucas running the prequels, so I grade on a curveIf you’re pining for a pre-reshoot copy of the one that is scoffed at as “not real Star Wars”...then that speaks volumes for how well disney has done, doesn’t it?
Batting .250 it appears. But I have to see this thing...like really I do or it will be out of theaters at this rate
They’re also doing a great job with Marvel while squeezing every drop of juice out of that brand.
I just finished reading Thrawn and would love to see more of him outside the cartoons. Hopefully they have some shows planned for the streaming service.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I don’t think “too much Star Wars” has ever been a thing...except perhaps in reissues at toy stores...
Have we lost our minds? The idea fans “are tired of Star Wars so soon” is completely antithetical to what Star Wars is/was...if anyone believes that - they are on the other side of the looking glass.
This is Kathy Kennedy - at best - or someone much higher (at worse) not having the foggiest clue what to do with this.
They NEED to put a fan in charge and stay the hell out of it...but I fear it’s too late.
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Sirwalterraleigh
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I remember Lucas running the prequels, so I grade on a curve
They’re also doing a great job with Marvel while squeezing every drop of juice out of that brand.
I just finished reading Thrawn and would love to see more of him outside the cartoons. Hopefully they have some shows planned for the streaming service.
And Disney made an extra billion on a reboot because of that very thing - let’s cut the bull.
But that was the only mulligan they’ll get.
winstongator
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I like the fan in charge of marvel film - Fiege. Agree on that.
I don’t even reall like marvel yet watched black panther and infinity war nearly back to back - loved both - and binged a bunch of the Netflix. Thrawn the book turned so fast I ordered the old non-canon trilogy of his.
Sirwalterraleigh
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I read the zahn books when they were released...desperately craved for a fan who seemed to have to walk through the desert like Moses in the mere 10 years between jedi and heir to the empire....
That in itself shows me how far it has come/slid...
I’ll say this again: the greatest mystery of my life is that nobody has figured out how to eclipse even return of the jedi in 30 years...it must be the “hardest” easy thing to do in human history...it’s getting to redonkulous portions.
And marvel is the EXACT example that makes it look bad - there are other examples as well - but how the hell hard is it to write a decent story that manages to be both cool for the popcorn and above a C- student intellectual level?
This is not that hard...
Princess Leia
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They killed all the characters, what was the darker version of that film? (R1 is my favorite Disney SW film, I should add)
Gelatoni
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Sirwalterraleigh
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doctornick
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I rather liked Solo (mostly). In fact I generally enjoyed the Disney made films (though I have significant concerns as well with their direction) and would rate them as follow:
The Force Awakens
Solo
The Last Jedi
Rogue One
Rogue One was actually the only one I felt kind meh about, honestly, while I have rather enjoyed the other three. Anyhow, regarding Solo....
The movie was entertaining, well paced, with engaging characters. Thought the first 2/3 were really enjoyable. I liked that the first act went quickly into the action and felt like the movie really flowed well. Both the war scene and the heist were fun and captured the essence of what a Star Wars film should without getting bogged down into fanservice/references to other SW material.
Aspects of the last act were very good -- great even -- but having the rebels or whatever they were be "good" and having Han side with them just was eye rolling to me and unnecessary for this film. He should have been left a swindler out for himself, not some guy doing something altruistic for good (nor did I like the Qi'ra saying he's one of the "good guys" or whatever). They could have done the third act in some way to have a similar outcome but having Solo's actions being determined by self interest and profit/freedom rather than what's "right". Just didn't sit well with me.
I thought the Maul cameo was awful. No value to it other than (bad) fanservice and still making the universe too small in regards to characters being connected. Not to mention it would surely be confusing to all the non hardcore fans who only watch movies and not the animated shows. I also didn't like the references to Jabba -- not needed and makes this film seem too close in time to ANH.
Han shooting first was great. And it was great not simply because of the subtle reference but because it actually worked in service to the character and story. I would have liked the romance with Qi'ra and her betrayal at the end (if you could call it that) be used to make Han more jaded and cynical. I mean, it might have had that effect but it would have been good to show it.
Donald Glover was awesome as Lando. Great casting, great portrayal. I got a chuckle with his line that was like "mining colonies are the worse" or something like that. LE-E7 was cool and I thought putting her into the Falcon's computers was actually nice in a "this helps explain why they are always so successful" kinda way without it being crazy. It was nice to see that droids who seem to have some individuality and personality kinda saying "why the heck am I a slave"?
Tobias and the rest of his crew were awesome supporting characters. Actual flesh and blood with personality to add realism to the film.
I have no idea what the film was going to be like before bringing Howard on board, but I feel confident that the changes were for the better.
The Force Awakens
Solo
The Last Jedi
Rogue One
Rogue One was actually the only one I felt kind meh about, honestly, while I have rather enjoyed the other three. Anyhow, regarding Solo....
The movie was entertaining, well paced, with engaging characters. Thought the first 2/3 were really enjoyable. I liked that the first act went quickly into the action and felt like the movie really flowed well. Both the war scene and the heist were fun and captured the essence of what a Star Wars film should without getting bogged down into fanservice/references to other SW material.
Aspects of the last act were very good -- great even -- but having the rebels or whatever they were be "good" and having Han side with them just was eye rolling to me and unnecessary for this film. He should have been left a swindler out for himself, not some guy doing something altruistic for good (nor did I like the Qi'ra saying he's one of the "good guys" or whatever). They could have done the third act in some way to have a similar outcome but having Solo's actions being determined by self interest and profit/freedom rather than what's "right". Just didn't sit well with me.
I thought the Maul cameo was awful. No value to it other than (bad) fanservice and still making the universe too small in regards to characters being connected. Not to mention it would surely be confusing to all the non hardcore fans who only watch movies and not the animated shows. I also didn't like the references to Jabba -- not needed and makes this film seem too close in time to ANH.
Han shooting first was great. And it was great not simply because of the subtle reference but because it actually worked in service to the character and story. I would have liked the romance with Qi'ra and her betrayal at the end (if you could call it that) be used to make Han more jaded and cynical. I mean, it might have had that effect but it would have been good to show it.
Donald Glover was awesome as Lando. Great casting, great portrayal. I got a chuckle with his line that was like "mining colonies are the worse" or something like that. LE-E7 was cool and I thought putting her into the Falcon's computers was actually nice in a "this helps explain why they are always so successful" kinda way without it being crazy. It was nice to see that droids who seem to have some individuality and personality kinda saying "why the heck am I a slave"?
Tobias and the rest of his crew were awesome supporting characters. Actual flesh and blood with personality to add realism to the film.
I have no idea what the film was going to be like before bringing Howard on board, but I feel confident that the changes were for the better.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
Sure.
TFA was not good. Rogue, was not good. TLJ was terrible.
I came up with that by myself. If you would like me to explain why, I am happy to do so.
If you would prefer to pretend I am not capable of independent thought, we can also discuss that.
I refuse to see Solo. I will not see IX. Not until there is a major shake up at Disney / Lucasfilm.
And, if you think I'm alone...Solo numbers are breaking about half even. The movie cost 250+ mil for production alone. Opening weekend (a 4 day weekend mind you, an anniversary weekend for Star Wars, and a major convention weekend in many cities)....it's having trouble breaking 100 mil.
This is a bomb. John Carter level bomb. Something that shouldn't happen with this franchise.
We'll see what it does tomorrow, but...I know I am not alone in the fan base who doesn't like the direction this series is taking. And, whilst Solo may be an "ok" movie (even high praise reviews are saying that)...after TLJ, they need to feel it in the pocketbook.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
This isn't "oversaturation".
This is disinterest. Because, they are not telling good stories with good characters. They are telling juvenile stories with juvenile writing.
They are insulting to the canon, and insulting to the fans.
Feloni needs to be heading this...not Kennedy.
This is disinterest. Because, they are not telling good stories with good characters. They are telling juvenile stories with juvenile writing.
They are insulting to the canon, and insulting to the fans.
Feloni needs to be heading this...not Kennedy.
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Sirwalterraleigh
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Here’s my original “borderline mental patient” (that was a crass comparison and I never blush...by the way) take:
1. Last jedi was wretched on another plane...at least george “got” the force thing...he just wanted to make kids movies with as much cgi as possible Cheaply....
That movie was millennial nonsense direction.
2. The force awakens was a reboot that made money off the gap and the Lucas angst...they should cut him a check for at least $500 mil just for fair’s sake. It was a payday for a cranky old man and a punt by Spielberg’s protege who is more enamoured with his box office than what he directs.
...and no, I didn’t go nearly as hard on that movie two years ago...but now he’s tied to the dumpster fire that followed - blood on those hands.
3. Rogue one had some glimpses...and is at least reminding me of the only 3 movies that apparently ever will matter...even with some bad daddy issue plotline. They got a lot right...and some wrong.
We will never know if Disney’s meddling made it better or worse...but I’m leaning towards the latter.
If we’re honest - Gareth Edwards is the only one who has earned more seed money in Star Wars at this point...and everyone in the presidio should be getting the slip.
And now others will start to listen to this point that was shouted down in December during a measly 4 week box office run: NOW money is a problem.
Now the cow is coming home when somebody torched the barn.
1. Last jedi was wretched on another plane...at least george “got” the force thing...he just wanted to make kids movies with as much cgi as possible Cheaply....
That movie was millennial nonsense direction.
2. The force awakens was a reboot that made money off the gap and the Lucas angst...they should cut him a check for at least $500 mil just for fair’s sake. It was a payday for a cranky old man and a punt by Spielberg’s protege who is more enamoured with his box office than what he directs.
...and no, I didn’t go nearly as hard on that movie two years ago...but now he’s tied to the dumpster fire that followed - blood on those hands.
3. Rogue one had some glimpses...and is at least reminding me of the only 3 movies that apparently ever will matter...even with some bad daddy issue plotline. They got a lot right...and some wrong.
We will never know if Disney’s meddling made it better or worse...but I’m leaning towards the latter.
If we’re honest - Gareth Edwards is the only one who has earned more seed money in Star Wars at this point...and everyone in the presidio should be getting the slip.
And now others will start to listen to this point that was shouted down in December during a measly 4 week box office run: NOW money is a problem.
Now the cow is coming home when somebody torched the barn.
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Your post should be delivered to iger and the boards hands personally tomorrow morning...
Not only filoni...but Gary Kurtz and Howard Kazanjian should be brought in as consultants...
It’s time to stop this idiocy.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
See, look....I understand everything TLJ was trying to do. I get it.
I get it because it's...so juvenile and basic. Who COULDN'T get it?
The issue is...why did they want to hamfist it in that manner?
And, further, why did they feel it necessary to destroy previous icons without explanation. They already did it to Han, turning him into a deadbeat Dad in TFA...but, here we have TLJ...and Luke is just...terrible.
"oh, his death was so amazing"
No...no, it wasn't. He literally phoned it in.
And, I didn't even need to see the deaths of these characters to be invested in new ones. That is part of what makes me so angry. I LIKED Rey and Finn. I still do, to an extent. So, if your story is better, fine, tell that better story.
But, in the same breath they tell us to "forget the past", they tell us "we referenced the past".
All I can see is that Kennedy is not a true Star Wars fan, but rather, sees it as a property to exploit.
And, for a franchise that (like Star Trek) was kept alive literally by fan energy for decades...that...is dangerous.
Yes, we don't like the prequels, but there is a way to treat them well that makes them make sense (aka, Clone Wars)...
Dismissing the universe to try and shove some sort of messaging into the movies that doesn't belong...is clever...how?
I get it because it's...so juvenile and basic. Who COULDN'T get it?
The issue is...why did they want to hamfist it in that manner?
And, further, why did they feel it necessary to destroy previous icons without explanation. They already did it to Han, turning him into a deadbeat Dad in TFA...but, here we have TLJ...and Luke is just...terrible.
"oh, his death was so amazing"
No...no, it wasn't. He literally phoned it in.
And, I didn't even need to see the deaths of these characters to be invested in new ones. That is part of what makes me so angry. I LIKED Rey and Finn. I still do, to an extent. So, if your story is better, fine, tell that better story.
But, in the same breath they tell us to "forget the past", they tell us "we referenced the past".
All I can see is that Kennedy is not a true Star Wars fan, but rather, sees it as a property to exploit.
And, for a franchise that (like Star Trek) was kept alive literally by fan energy for decades...that...is dangerous.
Yes, we don't like the prequels, but there is a way to treat them well that makes them make sense (aka, Clone Wars)...
Dismissing the universe to try and shove some sort of messaging into the movies that doesn't belong...is clever...how?
englanddg
One Little Spark...
My kid got me into Clone Wars...I was like, pfft, cartoon knock off. Oh, no. It's amazing.
And, she was excited about Rebels. I was like...pfft, cartoon knock off of Clone Wars...yeah, not so much.
Rebels wasn't as good as Clone Wars, but it still built interesting characters, and a world I wanted to see.
My favorite imagery from Star Wars still, to this day, is from Rebels...the death of Maul. That was...amazing.
Nothing the movies have done has come close to the emotional shock I felt watching that simple cartoon.
And, she was excited about Rebels. I was like...pfft, cartoon knock off of Clone Wars...yeah, not so much.
Rebels wasn't as good as Clone Wars, but it still built interesting characters, and a world I wanted to see.
My favorite imagery from Star Wars still, to this day, is from Rebels...the death of Maul. That was...amazing.
Nothing the movies have done has come close to the emotional shock I felt watching that simple cartoon.