Solo - A Star Wars Story SPOILER-Filled Thread (Reviews and Discussion)

[englanddg]

 

[englanddg]

Flipping amazing. And, it wasn't the shiny stuff.

It was how quick it went down. I was expecting the easy thing....a flashy battle.

But, that didn't happen...

And, what happened afterwards.

So much better than anything the movies have given us.

 

[englanddg]

Now, what would have been smart is if they'd made Rey turn, just a bit. That way her otherwise perfect character would be given an arch.

But, she didn't.

I, personally, would have liked them to have Rey kill Snoke, and she ends up being the "chosen one" from the dark side, and (extend the story from there) and flips, and Ren learns he was out of line, blah blah blah.

Something more than...Rey is perfect, we are amazing, love is everything, and now we have lost all our ships outside of the Falcon but, that is all we need...

They are literally left at the end of the movie with nothing...and Poe is blamed for losing lives, but how many lives were lost on those transports? (Oh, that is Poe's fault because he sent them on the mission...and through the mission they didn't think to scan for cloaked ships....because, reasons)

It's so friggin stupid.

 

[englanddg]

But, I'm the "mental" one...incapable if independant thought... (rolls eyes)

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

See, look....I understand everything TLJ was trying to do. I get it.

I get it because it's...so juvenile and basic. Who COULDN'T get it?

The issue is...why did they want to hamfist it in that manner?

And, further, why did they feel it necessary to destroy previous icons without explanation. They already did it to Han, turning him into a deadbeat Dad in TFA...but, here we have TLJ...and Luke is just...terrible.

"oh, his death was so amazing"

No...no, it wasn't. He literally phoned it in.

And, I didn't even need to see the deaths of these characters to be invested in new ones. That is part of what makes me so angry. I LIKED Rey and Finn. I still do, to an extent. So, if your story is better, fine, tell that better story.

But, in the same breath they tell us to "forget the past", they tell us "we referenced the past".

All I can see is that Kennedy is not a true Star Wars fan, but rather, sees it as a property to exploit.

And, for a franchise that (like Star Trek) was kept alive literally by fan energy for decades...that...is dangerous.

Yes, we don't like the prequels, but there is a way to treat them well that makes them make sense (aka, Clone Wars)...

Dismissing the universe to try and shove some sort of messaging into the movies that doesn't belong...is clever...how?

Hi, soulmate...

I don’t want to rant (really...I don’t because it’s infuriating that nobody seems to look at this with common sense...)

...but there’s an obvious mismanagement/misunderstanding of why Star Wars popped in the first place and it has been misread so badly TWICE. Once by Lucas and that idiot McCallum...now by the stock lords.

Different paths...same destination.

It was always the mythos and pathos that made it memorable/resonate. It wasn’t the “message” or the explosions or effects...

We’re the Ewoks stupid? Of course!!! But everyone remembers jedi and nobody turns it off on the tv. It was the hamill/fisher scene in the village that made it stick...it was the death of Yoda (spoiler alert) and explanation of the ENTIRE prequel movies in 3 minutes by Guinness that stuck...it was akbars mannerisms and quotes (don’t EVEN get me started) that had we kids flying the toys in our backyard...

Was Mark hamill a good actor? NEVER! but he created one of the greatest movie heroes in history and carried empire with frank oz’s sock puppet. That is the truth and it stuck

“I don’t believe it...”
“...that... is why you fail”

And hamhanded is 100% right...look at what they did to him? Kathy Kennedy can’t hit the pavement keister first fast enough for fans. At least the honest ones.

I’m middle aged...but I’m right. I don’t expect the feel to be the same as when I was 6...that’s silly and an excuse that has never been true of the diehards. But if you don’t get the feel right for someone...anyone...then don’t make a Star Wars.

That’s the bottomline. 4 movies and Disney has given me maybe...being generous...3 moments that felt kinda right...2 in rogue one.

3 minutes or so...at best.

The prequels are looking better...that’s a disasterous reality.

But what do I know...I don’t even have a chart to post on this? (Except...there are some)

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Now, what would have been smart is if they'd made Rey turn, just a bit. That way her otherwise perfect character would be given an arch.

But, she didn't.

I, personally, would have liked them to have Rey kill Snoke, and she ends up being the "chosen one" from the dark side, and (extend the story from there) and flips, and Ren learns he was out of line, blah blah blah.

Something more than...Rey is perfect, we are amazing, love is everything, and now we have lost all our ships outside of the Falcon but, that is all we need...

They are literally left at the end of the movie with nothing...and Poe is blamed for losing lives, but how many lives were lost on those transports? (Oh, that is Poe's fault because he sent them on the mission...and through the mission they didn't think to scan for cloaked ships....because, reasons)

It's so friggin stupid.

Agreee sooo much.

It was always an underdog story...but in empire and jedi a sleek, memorable (sans Ewoks) one that looked good across the age spectrum.

Now it’s just pathetic...bankrupt and garbage filled...nobody left.

It’s like how Star Wars would be in new jack city.

 

[doctornick]

Y'know, if people want to rant about the Disney made SW films (something that is perfectly reasonable), there's already plenty of threads to do that or you could actually make a new thread and have your way with it. It would be nice if people commenting in this thread actually watched the film in question and were talking about it -- positive, negative, whatever, but at least the topic at hand.

 

[doctornick]

It depends on how this movie does (rotten tomatoes reviews are much lower than I would have guessed) but a Maul sidestory would be so great

I think that's a terrible idea myself. We've gotten plenty of Maul already in official canon media (I mean, in both Clone Wars and Rebels), and he just seemed unnecessarily forced into this movie. Having him be a crime syndicate leader doesn't even seem to make sense from what we know of him from the animated series.

 

[englanddg]

Agreee sooo much.

It was always an underdog story...but in empire and jedi a sleek, memorable (sans Ewoks) one that looked good across the age spectrum.

Now it’s just pathetic...bankrupt and garbage filled...nobody left.

It’s like how Star Wars would be in new jack city.

Interesting you mention New Jack City vs better made movies that told the same story.

 

[englanddg]

Y'know, if people want to rant about the Disney made SW films (something that is perfectly reasonable), there's already plenty of threads to do that or you could actually make a new thread and have your way with it. It would be nice if people commenting in this thread actually watched the film in question and were talking about it -- positive, negative, whatever, but at least the topic at hand.

I agree. I will limit my responses here to that, moving forward. Because, all I intended to say was, I will not see this movie until it is "free" for me on Netflix, because I am boycotting it.

 

[englanddg]

I think that's a terrible idea myself. We've gotten plenty of Maul already in official canon media (I mean, in both Clone Wars and Rebels), and he just seemed unnecessarily forced into this movie. Having him be a crime syndicate leader doesn't even seem to make sense from what we know of him from the animated series.

Again, if they had better stories to tell...why are they not telling them?

 

[englanddg]

Also waves at @spacemt354! I'm a racist sexist bigot!

Good to see you!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Interesting you mention New Jack City vs better made movies that told the same story.

That was “semi-intentional”

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Also waves at @spacemt354! I'm a racist sexist bigot!

Good to see you!

That’s probably why you like those “outdated” old Star Wars movies

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Y'know, if people want to rant about the Disney made SW films (something that is perfectly reasonable), there's already plenty of threads to do that or you could actually make a new thread and have your way with it. It would be nice if people commenting in this thread actually watched the film in question and were talking about it -- positive, negative, whatever, but at least the topic at hand.

Your point is definitely valid...the problem is we have a financial issue now - for inconceivably the first time in Star Wars history.

It’s gonna get messy...it’s tough to review it as a “simple” movie anyway...now it will be damn near impossible.

This is just like any Disney park issue: you can’t compartmentalize a single thing in a conglomerate...or you miss a lot of the depth of the big picture.

Still...the point is taken.

 

[NearTheEars]

I refuse to see Solo. I will not see IX. Not until there is a major shake up at Disney / Lucasfilm.

What’s the difference if you see it now or after your dreams of a major shakeup come true.
The film won’t change lol.

 

[winstongator]

They killed all the characters, what was the darker version of that film? (R1 is my favorite Disney SW film, I should add)

They did a lot of reshoots, and brought in Tony Gilroy to 'rework' the movie. Not quite what happened with Solo, but similar. Along with that, there were rumors (harder to find 2 years out) of R1 being 'lightened' to increase its appeal. Some of that is the cinematography, which is pretty dimly lit, adding to the ominous tone. I enjoyed that darkness. You know the back story of the plans. If somehow magic happens that disturbs the continuity with the plot of ANH, I would have been furious.

 

[LSLS]

Was referring to this ‘too soon to release another Star Wars movie right after Episode 8: The Last Jedi in December.’ And ‘As we already detailed in the previous update, Solo‘s weekend prospects were dragged down by a maelstrom of fan negativity toward the concept and/or behind-the-scenes problems, as well as summer tentpole and Star Wars movie over-saturation (we just had Last Jedi in December).’ (From article)

I dont know. We had what, thor out in November, black panther in February, infinity wars in April, and ant man in June, and of the 3 released, I believe all 3 are in the top 10 grossing marvel films, and the two more recent are at or near the top. I think the first 2 are correct, but replace oversaturation with the complete hatred of last jedi and people quitting on the franchise because of it.

 

[Princess Leia]

I dont know. We had what, thor out in November, black panther in February, infinity wars in April, and ant man in June, and of the 3 released, I believe all 3 are in the top 10 grossing marvel films, and the two more recent are at or near the top. I think the first 2 are correct, but replace oversaturation with the complete hatred of last jedi and people quitting on the franchise because of it.

Ant-Man & the Wasp comes out in July

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What’s the difference if you see it now or after your dreams of a major shakeup come true.
The film won’t change lol.

You hit them in the wallet. Which - like a puppy going on the floor - is the only way to knock them out of bad behavior.

It’s why the prices in Orlando are escalating out of control and as they were coming out of a period where they literally took things away (2002-2012)....and a global recession.

That isn’t the great “capitalism” that Is used as a defense. It’s economic lunacy.

Equilibrium must be achieved.

All three Star Wars movies from Disney made more than they deserved...by quite a bit....
And I’m not some comic con guy who screamed they would kill Star Wars in 2012. I thought they’d do a great job with it and get it close to back - like MCU. But I was wrong. It’s not delivering and it’s obvious the wrong people in charge have done a ton of damage. Yes...December went THAT Bad..