Pi on my Cake
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Just to clarify, the points are just for getting into the elite eight. But once you are in the elite eight, it is tournament style and not based on your points so far, right?
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So, You Want to be an Imagineer Season 16: Purists vs. Innovators (Official Hub Thread!)
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Just to clarify, the points are just for getting into the elite eight. But once you are in the elite eight, it is tournament style and not based on your points so far, right?
Yes, it will be tournament style 1 vs. 1 matches which will go from eight, to four, to a final two.
Pi on my Cake
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Pionmycake presents a purist proposal:
Dining with the Land
Did you see the news post on WDWMagic? The one about the all new on ride dining experience coming to EPCOT's Land Pavilion. It is totally real. Really really real.
Here, I have some totally legitimate screen shots!
Wow! Big news! Let's see what they are saying on the forum!
Interesting. A Google doc from an insider. What a convenient way to explain the concept in a bit more detail!
Let's check it out!
Overall some interesting concepts at play! Can't wait to see how it turns out!
Here, I have some totally legitimate screen shots!
Wow! Big news! Let's see what they are saying on the forum!
Interesting. A Google doc from an insider. What a convenient way to explain the concept in a bit more detail!
Let's check it out!
Overall some interesting concepts at play! Can't wait to see how it turns out!
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Pi on my Cake
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Tagging people who didn't submit last round. (Again, it's fine if you don't submit every project, just checking in 
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@Disney Dad 3000
@DisneyManOne
@tcool123
@JokersWild
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@DisneyManOne
@tcool123
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AceAstro
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Thank you. I was very curious about that second tab
AceAstro
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SYWTBAI Project 5 - Innovators
I really love the World Showcase. To me, it is one of the best experiences in any Disney parks. I feel like adding one more attraction will push it over the edge to bring in even more fans. Multiple countries in the World Showcase that don’t have an attraction currently, or have one coming. The countries are Japan, Germany, Italy, Morocco, and the United Kingdom. I was able to eliminate Morocco quite quickly due to the space around the pavilion. Japan has sort of a mini-attraction with a cultural museum so I decided to cross it off the list. The United Kingdom pavilion has been rumoured for many attractions so I decided to cross it off the list. That left me with Italy and Germany. After many deliberations and back and forth decisions, I decided the Germany pavilion. With that, I to present you…
The Rhine River Cruise
Before getting too far into this, a bit of the history with this attraction/ pavilion. The Rhine River Cruise was originally planned for the Germany pavilion. It was talked about in many books, including “a cruise down Germany's most famous rivers -- the Rhine, the Tauber, the Ruhr and the Isar. Detailed miniatures of famous landmarks will also be seen, including one of the Cologne Cathedral."
Unfortunately, this attraction never made it past the drawing board. Fortunately, the space for this attraction is still available and unused.
(area in red is the border of the proposed Rhine River Cruise area)
For this new version of the planned attraction, guests will start on the Rhine river, before moving to the Isar river before ending the cruise on the Lech river.
Before we go into the ride, let’s look at the layout of the originally planned attraction, and my design.
(original plan)
(my version)
Just like the original proposed Rhine River Cruise, these ride vehicles will all be facing outwards much like the railroad in Disneyland. Each ride vehicle will feature two cars. Each car will have three bench rows (will change for the dining experience) that can seat 4-5 guests per row. This allows for much larger scenes as well as ease for the dining experience (but more on that later).
After leaving the loading dock, guests first enter the city of Dusseldorf. The first thing guests will notice further back along the wall is the Ferris Wheel from Burgplatz. This large Ferris Wheel is a favourite for many in Dusseldorf.
From there, guests continue down the river to see Stadterhebungsmonument (what a mouthful). One of the oddest, creepiest, and most beautiful monuments is located right here in Dusseldorf. This monument will be much closer to the guests than the Ferris Wheel so that all guests can see this monument up close and personal.
To end the tour of Dusseldorf, guests travel past the Statue of Neptune in the Konigsalle. This large statue can be found in the middle of a river in Dusseldorf so will be replicated with this attraction.
Guests will follow it around the corner before going into the next city: Cologne.
The first sight guests will see is the Shrine of the Three Kings. The shrine is located in the famous Cologne Cathedral and is a triple sarcophagus for the Biblical Magi. This will be a life-size replica of the original one so guests can see it in all of its’ detail and beauty.
After that, guests pull up to where the Shrine is located: the Cologne Cathedral. One of the highlights of the city, the Cologne Cathedral is a large, gothic church located near the river. The attraction version will be located further back to give it a better impression of the size of it so that guests can take it in for all of its glory.
From here, guests will see the large bridge known as the Hohenzollern Bridge.
Guests will cross under this bridge to enter the next area of this beautiful country: The Black Forest.
One of the most famous forests in the world. The black forest is home to many classic fairy tales including Rapunzel and Sleeping Beauty. Guests will travel through this area to see all the beauty of this land. Lighting effects will be used to show a storm through the Black Forest.
Like you can see in this video below:
From there, guests continue on to a new river and a new city: the Isar river for the city Munich.
Munich is a smaller scene featuring only two buildings, but both are big in Munich. The first building guests will see is the Hofbrauhaus. One of the most famous bars in all of Germany will be featured in this attraction to show some of the history of brewing in Germany.
The other building found in Munich is Marienplatz. While the whole building is important, the main focus for the attraction will be the Glockenspiel. While I could explain how this looks, it is much easier to watch a quick video to see how it’d look.
Lastly, guests will end the attraction by going onto the Lech river. This is so that guests can end the attraction seeing the world famous Neuschwanstein Castle. Part of the inspiration for Sleeping Beauty’s Castle at Disneyland, Neuschwanstein Castle in the attraction will be up on a hill to make it seem larger than life.
After this, guests end back at the unloading dock.
This attraction will open with the rest of the World Showcase. Every day, the attraction will close when the Biergarten opens for dinner. It will be closed for 30 minutes to adjust the ride vehicles for the dining experience. Bar-like tables will be added to the front wall for the first row as well as the removal of the second row of seats for another bar table for the third row. From then, to the end of the night, the Rhine River Cruise will become the latest and greatest dessert experience.
After guests finish dinner at the Biergarten, they head out towards to Rhine River Cruise so that they can enjoy the cruise around Germany while enjoying their delicious dessert. Didn’t have dinner at the Biergarten but still want to have a delicious German dessert and cruise? No worries! Using the mobile ordering app, guests can order their dessert ahead of time to have it ready for when they get to the cruise.
Some examples of the deserts available are Marble Cake, Schnecken, Baumkuchen, and of course, the world-famous black forest cake.
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Thanks to those of you who submitted a project. They look great and I'll be getting reviews in soon. In the meantime, I'm worried about where the game is headed. There's been a slow decline of submissions, and I'm worried something's gone wrong. Is it the projects? Is this just a bad time for a competition? I'd really like to hear what you guys are thinking so we can work it out and adjust accordingly. Stay tuned for the next project.
What I'm thinking is that we do the "speed" round I was already planning which will take three days and then after that skip a couple rounds and go straight into the Elite Eight, with project six being your last chance to get Leaderboard points. That being said, I'm genuinely worried that nobody is even going to submit for the Elite Eight given the current levels of activity.
Also I realize the due date for this past project was a bit botched putting it on the Superbowl, so I'm going to give everyone two extra days until tomorrow, February 6th at midnight to get stuff in. Please get back to me on rather or not you think Elite Eight would even work out given the current state of activity and the fact that it feels most people have already checked out of this in favor of SA.
What I'm thinking is that we do the "speed" round I was already planning which will take three days and then after that skip a couple rounds and go straight into the Elite Eight, with project six being your last chance to get Leaderboard points. That being said, I'm genuinely worried that nobody is even going to submit for the Elite Eight given the current levels of activity.
Also I realize the due date for this past project was a bit botched putting it on the Superbowl, so I'm going to give everyone two extra days until tomorrow, February 6th at midnight to get stuff in. Please get back to me on rather or not you think Elite Eight would even work out given the current state of activity and the fact that it feels most people have already checked out of this in favor of SA.
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Tagging people who have fallen off...
@Disney Dad 3000
@tcool123
@Magic Feather
@D Hindley
@kmbmw777
@DisneyManOne
@Disney Dad 3000
@tcool123
@Magic Feather
@D Hindley
@kmbmw777
@DisneyManOne
AceAstro
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I don’t think people dropped off for SA. That’s just a big discussion board (I mean yesterday and today we were talking about the Super Bowl Commercials). I think it being Super Bowl was part of the decline for these projects but at the same time of feel like there were other reasons for the drop off.
Project 2 saw the highest number of projects submitted. Project 3 was a twist of being a team-based project. I think that took a lot of people by shock as this was being marketed as going back to the basics meaning no twists. I think that differred some people. After that, I felt project 4 was a narrow in what you could do (although with that, they were all great projects). Project 5 was nearly impossible for the purists side. It wouldn’t happen as the ride vehicles aren’t large enough, health and safety could be put at risk with a ride that doesn’t have a cast member by your side, and just felt rushed like the idea for the prompt was thought up a few hours prior. I felt that was exemplified with having no Profile Picture tease.
To me, another frustrating part is I feel like you gave up on this season long ago. The leaderboard thread hasn’t been updated since project 2. We got the first official leaderboard last week (which looks wrong to me). And with last live stream (might have happened earlier too I don’t remember), you said you were “too tired” to scroll through all the projects so left it on the prompt. People worked hard on the projects and it’d be nice for them to get some “screen time” in the stream.
I may be the only one who feels this way but I feel like that has led to some drop off. I know I’ll be playing regardless so start Elite Eight when you feel is best!
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Taking this piece by piece. First off from the get-go I advertised this season as having a mix of team and individual projects ala season four so if people thought project three betrayed what I had advertised I really don't know what to say, as that had always been my intention. Project five I simply have NEVER encountered a prompt that's caused this much hate and I frankly don't get it. I understand it's A question of logistics for the purists but that doesn't explain why people abandoned the whole project when there's a perfectly realistic and feasible Innovators prompt you could have done (not to mention half of the purists prompt...the show part...was never a question of logistics). Really I feel people just completely jumped ship over one prompt and I just don't know how to feel about it. I'm so, so, so sorry the prompt was bad. I literally can't apologize enough and just hope it didn't kill the season.
As for the leaderboard thread, it honestly just became too much to keep up with between the links to reviews, projects, prompts, keeping track of the scores. I know that's on me and I very much apologize. To me that's a FAR more understandable reason for the drop off than simply not liking a prompt. As for the actual leaderboard I posted...I spent about three hours doing the math on it so if it's wrong then I apologize. As far as the podcast is concerned I honestly stopped the scroll because I felt it was leading to bad podcasts since when I was on air I'd spend more time worrying about what was on screen visually than what I was actually talking about. I didn't get anyone saying they missed the on-screen projects from either these or the Uniting Universal projects so I just assumed it was fine. Had I known people were going to check out over it I'd definitely have just done the scrolling.
At this point is it even worth it to keep going with the season? I feel as if I've totally just killed any and all goodwill I have on these boards and now on one wants to touch the game with a ten foot pole. I'm strongly considering just giving the win to Space for having the most leaderboard points for the first four projects and just calling this season a wash. I'm honestly completely ashamed at myself and humiliated that I haven't been a better host. I should really just leave the boards
AceAstro
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I’d like to hear from others but I’d like this to keep going even if it’s just right to the Elite Eight. When I first joined this site, SYWTBAI was one of the things I was most excited to partake in!Taking this piece by piece. First off from the get-go I advertised this season as having a mix of team and individual projects ala season four so if people thought project three betrayed what I had advertised I really don't know what to say, as that had always been my intention. Project five I simply have NEVER encountered a prompt that's caused this much hate and I frankly don't get it. I understand it's A question of logistics for the purists but that doesn't explain why people abandoned the whole project when there's a perfectly realistic and feasible Innovators prompt you could have done (not to mention half of the purists prompt...the show part...was never a question of logistics). Really I feel people just completely jumped ship over one prompt and I just don't know how to feel about it. I'm so, so, so sorry the prompt was bad. I literally can't apologize enough and just hope it didn't kill the season.
As for the leaderboard thread, it honestly just became too much to keep up with between the links to reviews, projects, prompts, keeping track of the scores. I know that's on me and I very much apologize. To me that's a FAR more understandable reason for the drop off than simply not liking a prompt. As for the actual leaderboard I posted...I spent about three hours doing the math on it so if it's wrong then I apologize. As far as the podcast is concerned I honestly stopped the scroll because I felt it was leading to bad podcasts since when I was on air I'd spend more time worrying about what was on screen visually than what I was actually talking about. I didn't get anyone saying they missed the on-screen projects from either these or the Uniting Universal projects so I just assumed it was fine. Had I known people were going to check out over it I'd definitely have just done the scrolling.
At this point is it even worth it to keep going with the season? I feel as if I've totally just killed any and all goodwill I have on these boards and now on one wants to touch the game with a ten foot pole. I'm strongly considering just giving the win to Space for having the most leaderboard points for the first four projects and just calling this season a wash. I'm honestly completely ashamed at myself and humiliated that I haven't been a better host. I should really just leave the boards
I really don’t think you should leave the forums or anything as I really think this is a fun competition and I think Season 17 will be just as fun (whenever it may be)!!
Pi on my Cake
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You're not a bad host. You tried some new things and tried to blend a lot of stuff. Some of it worked, some of it didn't.Taking this piece by piece. First off from the get-go I advertised this season as having a mix of team and individual projects ala season four so if people thought project three betrayed what I had advertised I really don't know what to say, as that had always been my intention. Project five I simply have NEVER encountered a prompt that's caused this much hate and I frankly don't get it. I understand it's A question of logistics for the purists but that doesn't explain why people abandoned the whole project when there's a perfectly realistic and feasible Innovators prompt you could have done (not to mention half of the purists prompt...the show part...was never a question of logistics). Really I feel people just completely jumped ship over one prompt and I just don't know how to feel about it. I'm so, so, so sorry the prompt was bad. I literally can't apologize enough and just hope it didn't kill the season.
As for the leaderboard thread, it honestly just became too much to keep up with between the links to reviews, projects, prompts, keeping track of the scores. I know that's on me and I very much apologize. To me that's a FAR more understandable reason for the drop off than simply not liking a prompt. As for the actual leaderboard I posted...I spent about three hours doing the math on it so if it's wrong then I apologize. As far as the podcast is concerned I honestly stopped the scroll because I felt it was leading to bad podcasts since when I was on air I'd spend more time worrying about what was on screen visually than what I was actually talking about. I didn't get anyone saying they missed the on-screen projects from either these or the Uniting Universal projects so I just assumed it was fine. Had I known people were going to check out over it I'd definitely have just done the scrolling.
At this point is it even worth it to keep going with the season? I feel as if I've totally just killed any and all goodwill I have on these boards and now on one wants to touch the game with a ten foot pole. I'm strongly considering just giving the win to Space for having the most leaderboard points for the first four projects and just calling this season a wash. I'm honestly completely ashamed at myself and humiliated that I haven't been a better host. I should really just leave the boards
This season was set up with the points and wild card picks so people had the option to miss a round or two. With the super bowl and this round not connecting with people (which I still personally like this round and thought the purist prompt was a unique challenge and the innovators prompt gave you an easier second option) a lot of people just ducked out this round I guess.
This season had the blend of individual and teams, the choice between purist and Innovators each round, the new style of podcasts (which didn't bother me, but I also usually just listen), and some of the most unique prompts I've ever seen (making a switch game, roadside attraction, Disney quest successor, the restaurant round).
This hasn't been a bad season, just very experimental and unique. Whenever someone tries a lot of new and unique things there are bound to be some that turn out better than others. Sure this restaurant prompt has kinda fizzled, but the roadside attraction prompt lead to some of the best written proposals I've ever seen. AND the switch game is up there as one of my favorite projects I've ever worked on!
I agree. So you want to be an Imagineer was my first big competition. I had a lot of fun and grew a lot. I made multiple friends in that comp. This season has been so interesting. I'd hate to see it just end.
spacemt354
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First off, to your previous comment, this is not a case of people abandoning the comp in favor of SA, so please stop saying that. It's not true at all, it makes us look and feel bad, as everyone here supports each other content and that's the way it's always been and will always be.Taking this piece by piece. First off from the get-go I advertised this season as having a mix of team and individual projects ala season four so if people thought project three betrayed what I had advertised I really don't know what to say, as that had always been my intention. Project five I simply have NEVER encountered a prompt that's caused this much hate and I frankly don't get it. I understand it's A question of logistics for the purists but that doesn't explain why people abandoned the whole project when there's a perfectly realistic and feasible Innovators prompt you could have done (not to mention half of the purists prompt...the show part...was never a question of logistics). Really I feel people just completely jumped ship over one prompt and I just don't know how to feel about it. I'm so, so, so sorry the prompt was bad. I literally can't apologize enough and just hope it didn't kill the season.
As for the leaderboard thread, it honestly just became too much to keep up with between the links to reviews, projects, prompts, keeping track of the scores. I know that's on me and I very much apologize. To me that's a FAR more understandable reason for the drop off than simply not liking a prompt. As for the actual leaderboard I posted...I spent about three hours doing the math on it so if it's wrong then I apologize. As far as the podcast is concerned I honestly stopped the scroll because I felt it was leading to bad podcasts since when I was on air I'd spend more time worrying about what was on screen visually than what I was actually talking about. I didn't get anyone saying they missed the on-screen projects from either these or the Uniting Universal projects so I just assumed it was fine. Had I known people were going to check out over it I'd definitely have just done the scrolling.
At this point is it even worth it to keep going with the season? I feel as if I've totally just killed any and all goodwill I have on these boards and now on one wants to touch the game with a ten foot pole. I'm strongly considering just giving the win to Space for having the most leaderboard points for the first four projects and just calling this season a wash. I'm honestly completely ashamed at myself and humiliated that I haven't been a better host. I should really just leave the boards
In the last podcast you made it clear that people can skip challenges and still make the playoffs, but now you're upset that people skipped a challenge?
It was due Super Bowl night, some of your players have been sick and dealing with the flu, and mentioned this morning they were trying to submit but couldn't. Lastly, I think it would be unfair to those who submitted last round to give the win to me...
My opinion? Move onto the next challenge and stop dwelling on this one.
I'm upset because I feel like people didn't even try to get a handle on the prompt. They didn't like one half of one of the options and so they just completely gave up. That to me is frustrating. I'm not expecting every person to do every prompt but having only two people submit is a bit of an extreme example of "you can skip a round and make finals". Superbowl and the flu are much more understandable, it just frustrates me that people gave up because of the prompt itself.
I still want to give it a day to give people more of a chance to get stuff turned in since you're right that I wasn't thinking about the Superbowl when I gave out the due date and I'm sure that's part of the problem. As I said, I just simply think if we move on to the next project all the goodwill for this season is already gone and I strongly have my doubts that anyone besides Space, Pi, and Ace will submit anything and if that's the case I'd rather end things now than drag things out with this level of activity which would be harmful to everyone's morale.
spacemt354
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When you have a stipulation that people can skip challenges I'm still not sure why you're blaming us for skipping a prompt we were unsure of.
I will also say - there is another competition that @Pionmycake and I are doing right now called the Battle of the Bad attractions. 2-3 people submit each round, and nobody considers that a failure.
Numbers are not everything that determines a success...and I think extending this round and having people who made a choice to skip feel guilty to now submit something does nobody any good.
I would like to see this discussion end...by moving onto the next round.
Pi on my Cake
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Maybe Tiki could post the next prompt, but leave the option open if anyone still wants to submit for this.
If people are skipping this round because this prompt just doesn't speak to them, then they can move on. That is an option due to the format of this season. If people missed because they were busy with super bowl and stuff, then they have a chance to submit. Anyone who just wants to move on can.
This season can move past this while still leaving the door open for people who did still have an idea.
I'm going to move on to the next prompt but I also still want to give people a chance to submit something for project five for the next 24 hours since I didn't realize the due date was the same night as the Superbowl. I'm also not sure how to distribute points for this round between Pi and Ace since if I go according to how I've been doing it they'd only get one point a piece which I think is unfair to them since they put in so much effort. Thinking about giving them five points each but I don't want it to come across like I'm just updating the points/leaderboard on a whim so feedback on this issue would be appreciated.
Project Six: The Simple Things
One of the definitive things that sets Disney apart from other theme parks is the sheer amount of detail. A lot of the times the detail will just be that...little visual cues that help tell the story and set you in the environment. Every so often however there will be a diversion in the parks that while not a full attraction in its own right feels a bit more special than just a little detail. Snow White's Grotto is a perfect example of this, as are the window displays in the Emporium. To cite my avatar, my go to example currently for something like this is Clopin's music box at Disneyland's fantasy faire (please excuse all the Disneyland examples...in three weeks I'll have more of a bearing on what WDW has to offer in this regard.)
Purists: Your task is simple...come up with yet another diversion in the style of the Emporium windows that's not as in depth as an attraction but has a little more to offer than just being another detail in a sea of details. This can be for ANY Disney park.
Innovators: Your goal will be to create an Augmented Reality experience for one specific spot at a Disney park. Basically create something physical in the park that you can interact with via your Smartphone. This shouldn't be a full game or Scavenger hunt, just a simple diversion in the style of the wand effects in Wizarding World of Harry Potter or something of that scale.
Good luck folks. This project is due Thursday, February 8th at 11:59PM Eastern. Jacob and I will be doing our project five podcast on Wednesday which in all likelihood will be really short but we'll be sure to give as much feedback as possible and I'll also try my hardest to go back to visually displaying everyone's work in the podcasts.
spacemt354
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I just think that this whole thing is being blown completely out of proportion.
This season is not a failure. How can a competition in its 16th Season be a failure? I just don't get it. In every competition there is always a round or two that doesn't get as much activity for a variety of reasons...doesn't tank the entire season. Dwelling on this I just feel clouds the hard work that was put into the first few rounds that produced projects such as the Fantasia E-Ticket, the Switch and Tron projects, etc.
Edit - thank you for moving on.
We'll see how this round plays out. You're right, I don't think the first three rounds of the season were a failure at all, it just freaks me out that we went from 10 people to 6 people to only two people. Again I get that it's part of the format, but that drop-off was simply way more extreme than I was ever anticipating and I still don't know how to distribute points to Pi and Ace for this past round. If this next prompt only gets a couple of submissions as well then I think it's time we all collectively hit the panic button on the season and start to brainstorm together on ways to salvage it because I simply don't think we can stretch it out to get a satisfying winner if things don't improve activity wise. There has to be a solid middle ground between everyone submitting projects and only two people submitting.