So, You Want to be an Imagineer Season 16: Purists vs. Innovators (Official Hub Thread!)

TheOriginalTiki

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Original Poster
I don't want to change the prompt -- but what you're talking about is essentially an after hours 'dinner party' event. They are common at Walt Disney World.

Universe of Energy party on the ride path itself. (And GMR during its closing)
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Now that would make so much more sense to convert (temporarily) a ride/show into an after hours dining experience or something like that. That opens up some more options. Rather than trying to convert attractions full time into restaurants.

I'll meet you in the middle with this. The overlay can and should be temporary, but I'd like it to be something the general public at least has a chance to experience instead of just an after-hours event.
 

spacemt354

Chili's
I'll meet you in the middle with this. The overlay can and should be temporary, but I'd like it to be something the general public at least has a chance to experience instead of just an after-hours event.
I mean I was probably going to do a dine-in show anyway haha - I was only bringing that up as perhaps that's what they were talking about on the podcast as the Magic Kingdom currently has an After Hours party going on.
 

Pi on my Cake

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
For, what it's worth. With slow moving attractions like living with the land, seas with Nemo, and Universe of energy I don't think an on ride dining option is unrealistic. You just gotta be a bit extra clever with how you do it. Leads to a very unique and interesting challenge.
 
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spacemt354

Chili's
For, what it's worth. With slow moving attractions like living with the land, seas with Nemo, and Universe of energy I don't think an on ride dining option is unrealistic. You just gotta be a bit extra clever with how you do it. Leads to a very unique and interesting challenge.

Could we do a completely new build for a dining attraction or does it have to be built on something else?
In their current states I gotta disagree. You would need to completely rework the ride systems and layouts to accommodate comfortable seating, decrease attraction capacity (or increase staff), formulate new emergency exit strategies (what happens when someone chokes or has an allergic reaction to food?). But...perhaps that is the challenge. It is a little odd but interesting haha
 

Pi on my Cake

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
In their current states I gotta disagree. You would need to completely rework the ride systems and layouts to accommodate comfortable seating, decrease attraction capacity (or increase staff), formulate new emergency exit strategies (what happens when someone chokes or has an allergic reaction to food?). But...perhaps that is the challenge. It is a little odd but interesting haha
Yeah, it even says in the purist prompt that the challenge comes from adapting the ride system and changing the interior/exterior to fit this. With innovator being a new build with an innovative take on a "dining attraction".
 

MonorailRed

Applebees
In their current states I gotta disagree. You would need to completely rework the ride systems and layouts to accommodate comfortable seating, decrease attraction capacity (or increase staff), formulate new emergency exit strategies (what happens when someone chokes or has an allergic reaction to food?). But...perhaps that is the challenge. It is a little odd but interesting haha
Having been backstage of Epcot many times and studying its infrastructure... I will say good luck with this challenge:cool::p Dining is needed in Future World though...maybe not to this extent, but it will be interesting to see what everyone does!
 

spacemt354

Chili's
Yeah, it even says in the purist prompt that the challenge comes from adapting the ride system and changing the interior/exterior to fit this. With innovator being a new build with an innovative take on a "dining attraction".
So what I'm gathering to this explanation is that it could be essentially a completely different ride? Obviously Mission: Space is impossible in its current state to be a restaurant, however would the project allow taking Mission: Space and re-designing it into a new attraction (that has very little to do with the original) and have it be mixed with dining?

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting Tiki's explanation when he said take a ride and make it a restaurant. I've always been under the assumption that the original ride you're renovating would need to remain somewhat in tact as that's how I read it.
 

TheOriginalTiki

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Original Poster
I'm going to be doing things a little bit differently this time and dividing the reviews up by category and listing everyone's scores at the very end. Through and through this project lived up to my expectations from both ends of the spectrum.

We'll start with the Purists, @spacemt354 and @D Hindley...what can I say? I absolutely fell in love with both these projects and they stand side by side with each other in a really triumphant fashion. Space's Castle project is absolutely inspirational. As someone who spent a year working at the Walt Disney Family Museum I'd be very curious what some of the more long-term staff members there would think of this. The draw to Marceline, the "a-ha!" moment of Disneyland's inception, the simplicity of the actual concept...it's all so ingrained in what we know about Disney lore, I can't help but buy into the story. I love how humble the proposal is, with the castle itself barely being bigger than one you'd find at a standard Scandia miniature golf course and yet the charm coming from the writing is impeccable. You can totally feel how this would be a big, memorable event for the small Missouri town.

Snow White Park is simply wonderful. So many things to go over here. I love the Tony Baxter childhood story at the beginning. It sets a realistic and relatable tone to the proceedings and was a wonderful way to draw you in. The seven dwarf billboards is a marketing gimmick I could totally see Walt pulling. Well done with the photo manipulation! As for the park itself, it's great how this is basically a reverse Knott's Berry Farm with Walt himself taking inspiration from Knott's. There's actually a small tourist trap outside of Sacramento called The Nut Tree which consists of a small aviary, airplane museum, and train ride. Snow White Park very much calls this to mind. Bonus points for the Disneyland mine ride being replaced by a sunglasses stand. That was a total spit-take moment and something that absolutely could have happened during the dreaded Pressler/Harris years. Much like how Space's project wraps into the concept of Main Street, this ties into the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train in a really naturally, clever way.
 

TheOriginalTiki

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Original Poster
Going into the Innovators, this was a very solid mix of projects if a bit too similar to each other in some regards. @kmbmw777 is the clear frontrunner here, with a bold and incredibly detailed slideshow that once again pushes outside the lines of typical project proposals in a good way. I thought the use of map layouts in the proposal added a great air of credibility and really drew me in. Reading through the projects was like being engaged in a great business proposal. I could tell you really did your homework with what worked and what didn't in the Chicago tourism industry when Disney came to play the first time. The love and affection for Chicago cannot be understated reading the project and went a long way towards making this project a tangible reality.

@AceAstro is a man playing to my own heart with his very RCT3 heavy project. My problem here is a lack of creativity. Unfortunately, while I'm not expecting Blizzard Beach levels of immersion here, but what we got was about the same level of thematic detail as your standard Wacky Waters. I guess that does fit the bill of something that can be cloned all over the country, but it lacks a bit of the Disney magic. Granted, perhaps it's the vanilla quality of the RCT3 imagery, and I won't hold that against you because I loved the effort that was put into all the videos and screenshots. The fact that you had a wide variety of slides in both the family and thrill variety was also a nice plus. I just wish there was more of a cohesive theme to the whole thing.

@Pionmycake's proposal is honestly a bit perplexing to me. It seems like you'd need a ton of different actors and staff members to run a place like this, and that's where my main issue comes in. With that being said, you did a good job of encompassing pretty much all the fanbases that Disney caters to and then some, with a great focus on how different age ranges can enjoy everything your project has to offer. The emphasis on age ranges was definitely the strongest thing your project had going for it. Having said that, I didn't really care for the repetitive nature of your offerings. It felt like a lot of the different IPs on display were just reskins of essentially the same thing...training, storytime, escape room, rinse repeat. Not that it's a bad thing to have consistency, I just wonder if guests would pick up on the fact that the structure for the different experiences is as similar as it is.

@Magic Feather
...A short but sweet project that I feel is both a bit more down to earth and at the same time more creative than some of the other proposals. I like the modesty of having something that very much has the Disney feel to it with the exploratory nature but at the same time doesn't completely overwhelm you with options. The single roller coaster you included was a great choice and I can't wait to ride that model for myself when it comes to Six Flags Discovery Kingdom this season! Unfortunately I'm grading some things compared to everyone else and unfortunately from a comparison point of view detail just wasn't there. You had some great ideas but I would have liked to have seen them expanded upon a bit more than they were. Overall still a very solid proposal.

Scores

@spacemt354
Creativity: 9/10
Realism: 10/10
Detail: 10/10
Presentation: 9/10
Total: 38/40

@D Hindley
Creativity: 10/10
Realism: 8/10
Detail: 9/10
Presentation: 9/10
Total: 36/40

@kmbmw777
Creativity: 8/10
Realism: 10/10
Detail: 9/10
Presentation: 10/10
Total: 37/40

@AceAstro
Creativity: 6/10
Realism: 9/10
Detail: 8/10
Presentation: 10/10
Total: 33/40

@Pionmycake
Creativity: 7/10
Realism: 6/10
Detail: 9/10
Presentation: 8/10
Total: 30/40

@Magic Feather
Creativity: 8/10
Realism: 8/10
Detail: 6/10
Presentation: 7/10
Total: 29/40

Unfortunately due to scheduling conflicts on Jacob's end the podcast has been pushed back until Wednesday.
 

kmbmw777

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The goal of this project will be to create a brand new attraction for Epcot that will double as a dining experience. It's a simple as that. This should be something beyond the concept of a dinner theater and much like the name of the project entails, should be a moving, "ride" based attraction. Once again the goal will be to come up with an innovative ride system that can cater to food service as well as providing a memorable culinary experience on top of a quality attraction.
I feel like having it being restricted to EPCOT is well.. restricting. EPCOT has tons of unique dining experiences so no Disney doesn’t need to add another there. Also it’s very limiting in terms of stories/themes. Might I ask for an extension to a park of our choosing?
 

TheOriginalTiki

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Original Poster
I feel like having it being restricted to EPCOT is well.. restricting. EPCOT has tons of unique dining experiences so no Disney doesn’t need to add another there. Also it’s very limiting in terms of stories/themes. Might I ask for an extension to a park of our choosing?

I was envisioning this project being THE Epcot-centric one of the season, but if you guys really feel restricted by it I guess I can sign off on expanding it to other parks. I guess this was a prompt I wasn't really thinking about the restrictions for when I came up with it.
 

TheOriginalTiki

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Original Poster
It's time for a Leaderboard update! First of all, with the combined totals between Jacob and I here's how you ranked!

@spacemt354 74 Points
@kmbmw777 71 Points
@D Hindley 71 Points
@AceAstro 69 Points
@Pionmycake 68 Points
@Magic Feather 64

And now to reveal the overall Leaderboard for everyone who's played so far. Keep in mind six of you will get into the Elite Eight via the combined totals with two wild card picks between Jacob and I.

@spacemt354 26 Points
@Disney Dad 3000 19 Points
@D Hindley 19 Points
@Pionmycake 18 Points
@kmbmw777 17 Points
@AceAstro 17 Points
@DisneyManOne 16 Points
@tcool123 14 Points
@Magic Feather 10 Points
@JokersWild 7 Points
@invadersam 2 Points
 

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